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Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Treelox anne if your trying to gain "rep" and want things to work etc etc. Might I suggest that you start over and only do a bond for the "phase 1" part of this plan. Once you get that rolling you can always do a second bond to inact "phase 2" I might even suggest that you do them using two seperate "shell" corps so the bonds/shares can be easily distinguished and you can offer different returns on them as the risk of each indivdual part warrents. Along with that provide some verifiable character data at InEVE here is my character data http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=OTg1NzY0NTQ4 it is verified yours are not without verification I would never touch you again. Please remove my quote from this statement, cause I havent in any way asked for what you are asking for, I would hate for it to be attributed to me later for demanding such information. --
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:19:00 - [62] Edited by: Trilori on 15/01/2008 03:21:26 Originally by: Trilori Along with that provide some verifiable character data at InEVE here is my character data http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=OTg1NzY0NTQ4 it is verified yours are not without verification I would never touch you again. Originally by: "treelox" Please remove my quote from this statement, cause I havent in any way asked for what you are asking for, I would hate for it to be attributed to me later for demanding such information. I was just adding that she should do that if she does break it up into two bonds... but sure I can remove your quote no problem.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:21:00 - [63] I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it. Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:27:00 - [64] Edited by: Trilori on 15/01/2008 03:27:19 Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it. Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction. I already knew that, well you have my findings... she has said nothing of Dimitri and won't say anything. I have sent 100M, my fault my loss she isn't getting her shares back either even though I made the request for an even exchange she refused and would only exchange at 80% This is a total writeoff for me, good luck thank you for your entertainment I have learned a lot about investigating and I continue to do so :)
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:32:00 - [65] Originally by: Anne Temple FAQ Q: How do I know this isn't a scam? A: There is never any way to be 100% certain but I am willing to do anything within reason to prove my trustworthiness. Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). Ricdic requests seemed to me to be 'within reason'. Taikun A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Taikun Originally by: Anne Temple FAQ Q: How do I know this isn't a scam? A: There is never any way to be 100% certain but I am willing to do anything within reason to prove my trustworthiness. Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). Ricdic requests seemed to me to be 'within reason'. Taikun I agree, but I don't think she knows that. And the only way to get in, is to prepurchase a large stake and if the auditor doesn't like what they see they can't get out without losing it all or they'll get out losing it all either way in two scenarios: A) auditor doesn't like what they see and wants to exchange shares for isk again they will only get 80% losing 20% or B) they just leave it in there like I will, and lose it all when it goes south.
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:37:00 - [67] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it. Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction. So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans! 5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 03:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it. Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction. So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans! I'm not totally so sure about that, she did say she would only stick to hisec pos running and if she has enough leftover after being able to keep certain funds set aside for the IPO then she would use it for lowsec pos running. That part doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the mains, and the fact her skills on InEVE are unverified I showed her an example of verified skills on my main.
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:06:00 - [69] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/01/2008 04:06:54 Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it. Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction. So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans! I'm not totally so sure about that, she did say she would only stick to hisec pos running and if she has enough leftover after being able to keep certain funds set aside for the IPO then she would use it for lowsec pos running. That part doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the mains, and the fact her skills on InEVE are unverified I showed her an example of verified skills on my main. She's refusing to do any of the fool-proof checks of what she claims about her characters and won't let Ricdic do any sort of auditing without him investing billions. That screams scam, honestly anyone that refuses to allow Ricdic something so simple as API access should not be trusted with public funds. Then there's the whole issue of low sec reactors which the OP clearly was not prepared for and the sketchyness of her canceling that part of the IPO yet maintaining the amount and interest of the bond. That seriously worries me but that's just a feeling. I've lent billions to people with no collateral based on my gut and I've passed up double digit interest on little more than that feeling and it has yet to bite me in the ass so I put quite a lot of stock into it but that's just me. I may be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in my life but if you want my opinion, this thing makes my gut clinch. For now at least, my "feelings" are irrelevant as the OP is refusing to satisfy some basic questions about her main.... PS What happened to the character count? How the hell does CCP keep breaking such simple stuff? 5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:12:00 - [70] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/01/2008 04:06:54 Originally by: Trilori Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all). So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it. Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction. So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans! I'm not totally so sure about that, she did say she would only stick to hisec pos running and if she has enough leftover after being able to keep certain funds set aside for the IPO then she would use it for lowsec pos running. That part doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the mains, and the fact her skills on InEVE are unverified I showed her an example of verified skills on my main. She's refusing to do any of the fool-proof checks of what she claims about her characters and won't let Ricdic do any sort of auditing without him investing billions. That screams scam, honestly anyone that refuses to allow Ricdic something so simple as API access should not be trusted with public funds. Then there's the whole issue of low sec reactors which the OP clearly was not prepared for and the sketchyness of her canceling that part of the IPO yet maintaining the amount and interest of the bond. That seriously worries me but that's just a feeling. I've lent billions to people with no collateral based on my gut and I've passed up double digit interest on little more than that feeling and it has yet to bite me in the ass so I put quite a lot of stock into it but that's just me. I may be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in my life but if you want my opinion, this thing makes my gut clinch. For now at least, my "feelings" are irrelevant as the OP is refusing to satisfy some basic questions about her main.... PS What happened to the character count? How the hell does CCP keep breaking such simple stuff? Well the part that bothers me is the fact she refuses to verify her main and alts. Yes she disclosed her alts via InEVE but they are not verifiable... for all we know those skills could be inaccurate. Yeah I noticed the character count broke earlier today... hence my stupid double post as you saw on page 2. I'm with you Kwint, but I lost a small piddly amount over it.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 04:58:00 - [71] After discussing and having an argument with the OP these are my findings: After researching her past employment experience which she dismisses or denies and has not bothered to include. She was a member of PZI, according to Anne's OP skills were aquired on her own. She did an IPO in October of 2007, and a poster in that thread had questioned Dimitri Graber and she acknowledged that it was one of her characters however failed to mention Dimitri in this IPO thread and does not acknowledge request for information about this character who is the APEX CEO for this IPO nor does she acknowledge her main even to a 3rd party who was willing to look into it without prebuying a large stake in her IPO. Anne indicated that APEX "WAS" an alt corporation, and when asked about this she said it was not an alt corporation and there were no corporations prior, her employment history does not clearly indicate this. As I mentioned before she was a member of PZI according to her employment history, although APEX was formed much later than PZI I would hardly call APEX an alt corp unless she is hiding something if that were the case. PZI was trading on the EGSEx exchange some time ago and has closed shop. The business plan of APEX and PZI are similar to a degree; PZI was running lowsec and I believe to my knowledge from reading archived threads that they also ran hisec POS as well. My findings as shown indicate several discreptencies that I was able to find, which I am sure you have either found or have found beyond my findings which may or may not be able to satisfy you. I fully endorse my findings based on the facts I have obtained, you will see my indications of certain findings in my previous posts in this thread on page which contain opinions as well 2. However I do not endorse my opinions nor anyone elses, opinions are not facts and are to be ambiguous and are only to be taken for informational/entertainment value. I thank you for letting me serve the EVE community, good day. /sign off.
Oliver Snow Perizene Technology Incorporated	Posted - 2008.01.15 05:17:00 - [72] I have been watching this thread for some time. I had planned to stay out of it but I would like to take the opportunity to say that this venture has nothing at all to do with PZI. Yes the OP's main was in PZI for a short time as a result of a recruitment drive some time ago. This does not mean that what she choses to do with an alt corp several months later has anything at all to do with PZI or its IPO. There is no lack of documentation on these forums about what the PZI IPO did or why it closed, please do your homework before questioning my corporation's integrity or suggesting its involvement in something.
Shuan Jedai Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:06:00 - [73] Heh. Everything depended on her reply - did she answer the direct, difficult questions and actually work with the potential investors ? Instead we got load of ambiguous bs. Add that to the reluctancy to prove that there is actually working business, even if the main is actually main, first post talking about 'great demand for bonds' (send ISK fast!), big fast first buy (get the thing rollin'), scrapping half of the bond plan - the one which held almost everyone back - still keeping the sum the same with same returns.. Too many coincidences. Good luck with the bond, I certainly won't be investing.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:53:00 - [74] Originally by: Oliver Snow I have been watching this thread for some time. Thanks for the post Oliver. When helping Trilori do his research we thought you may not be in Eve any more. It's good to see you are still around. I don't believe Trilori's questioning was there to demote PZI in any way as we had it quite convincingly determined that PZI had closed peacefully. The beef Trilori had was that the OP hadn't mentioned it, used it as a refernce or a learning experience etc. Now that you are here Oliver, could you provide any information for or against the OP to help us determine their viability (ie was the OP in control of PZI towers, fuel, assets etc?). Any positive or negative experiences you have recieved with the OP can help in this determination. Good to see you around, Ricdic.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2008.01.15 11:05:00 - [75] Edited by: Dr Slurm on 15/01/2008 11:05:46 Originally by: Dr Slurm I've been following this thread since it was posted. I don't plan on investing, but I thought I would note that the posts I have read from Anne Temple are well spoken and thought out. Which is quite the opposite of other recent IPO's/bonds. She also seems to handle criticism better, too. There's probably a lesson to be learned from this. Just because it looks good and sounds nice doesn't mean it is. It would be nice to see the OP be honest about the questions that have been raised, but that's not very likely. It's better then Quafe!
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:10:00 - [76] Here's my findings... nothing much different than I said before, though. Korami Nagema is in fact not the OPs main, but another alt of a real, undisclosed main. (thereby making the "Full disclosure of main and alts" part of the post, and in my eyes this whole thing, a lie and fraud) All of the characters mentioned or found are as good as unskilled alts in my opinion until an API verified page on inEVE.net is provided showing otherwise. (I looked into the Black Market Trading skill I mentioned before and there was indeed a time when it was given to new characters, though I didn't find the when, if it was a certain bloodline/career/faction/whatever... maybe someone else remembers. Whether or not that's legit or an "oops" made by the OP when making up an unverfied skillset remains to be seen) I believe the Dimitri character to be inconsequencial, merely an alt with a few quick Corporation Management skills trained up and acting just as a character to hold the CEO position. The OP asked to be compensated for any corporation standings loss if an auditor alt was to be allowed into the corporation, but a fresh alt with no standings wouldn't effect any standings at all. On the subject of standings, none of the characters, including the "main" that the OP has disclosed have any standings with anyone at all. Kinda hard to get anything at all done in EVE without getting a point of standings with anyone at all at some point, which of course leads me to say it's pretty much fact that there is an undisclosed real main somewhere out there. This whole thing is definetly shady in the worst way, and I still stick by my earlier shenanigans calling. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Feyloan	Posted - 2008.01.15 13:30:00 - [77] Edited by: Feyloan on 15/01/2008 13:30:13 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan The OP asked to be compensated for any corporation standings loss if an auditor alt was to be allowed into the corporation, but a fresh alt with no standings wouldn't effect any standings at all. Was about to say the same thing, I was offering to help because Ricdic said there was no way he was going to do it. I have not been replied to here or in-game so far, even though my offer quite clearly states a purpose created alt, which means no standings. Also, Anne, I am also definately not putting in 1 bill to have the "priviledge" of auditing, I would be doing this on behalf of the forum, which if proved that this is all legit, will get you a hell of a lot of funding, as things stand, doesn't look good.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.15 14:23:00 - [78] Originally by: Oliver Snow I have been watching this thread for some time. I had planned to stay out of it but I would like to take the opportunity to say that this venture has nothing at all to do with PZI. Yes the OP's main was in PZI for a short time as a result of a recruitment drive some time ago. This does not mean that what she choses to do with an alt corp several months later has anything at all to do with PZI or its IPO. There is no lack of documentation on these forums about what the PZI IPO did or why it closed, please do your homework before questioning my corporation's integrity or suggesting its involvement in something. I only indicated she was in PZI and that PZI had similar operations, I never stated that they were coincidentally equally both the same or that each other had to do with it I just merely stated FACTS that she omitted important to the investors. I was told you were out of the game, but it does please me to see that you have confirmed such. Maybe we can chat ingame?
Anne Temple Apex Research	Posted - 2008.01.16 04:16:00 - [79] I have provided my full API information to Ricdic who has offered to go over the business. He will provide an update in the next day or so about what he finds out. APEX Bond Issue Buy Bonds
Kushion Anti Sweden Defense Force	Posted - 2008.01.16 07:03:00 - [80] This has gotten... interesting. Wonder what ricdic will report? Regardless, there are simply too many "concidences" and Anne is keeping quiet on too many important things for me to considering investing anything.
Rho'varo Parvo Universalis	Posted - 2008.01.16 07:36:00 - [81] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: EBANK Ricdic I am not certain but I thought there was a period where new chars got that Black Market Trading skill. I may be wrong but it does ring a bell. I remember people creating alts just to get that skill in case it became useful in the future. This is correct. Pretty much. The skill was available for quite some time (at least two years, maybe more) to selected (i.e., not all) career paths at pilot creation only.
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:31:00 - [82] since when is pyramid quoting against the rules, I'm still reporting you mitnal! STOP being an ******!!! this guy has gone off like an APE!
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:36:00 - [83] Originally by: Trilori since when is pyramid quoting against the rules, I'm still reporting you mitnal! STOP being an ******!!! this guy has gone off like an APE! Since about 3 and a half days ago for the who forums, it used to only be a CAOD thing. Now though its all forums. PROOF --
Bank O'Tree	Posted - 2008.01.17 08:38:00 - [84] ohh btw tril that would esentially be discussing moderation your last post, send the mods a love email they love that, but they get uppity when you discuss such things on the forums. <---Alt of Treelox
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.17 17:15:00 - [85] Originally by: Treelox Edited by: Treelox on 17/01/2008 08:36:40 Originally by: Trilori since when is pyramid quoting against the rules, I'm still reporting you mitnal! STOP being an ******!!! this guy has gone off like an APE! Since about 3 and a half days ago for the entire forums, it used to only be a CAOD thing. Now though its all forums. PROOF ---edit changed one word for better sentence structure. wtf is pyramid quoting anyway? Who the heck comes up with all these stupid terms? Besides, if they don't like pyramid quoting whatever the heck then they shouldn't offer the feature I mean c'mon... don't leave it there if you don't like it! :P Well true it is talking about moderation, let them bite they'll get bit back extremely hard.

CCP Mitnal	Posted - 2008.01.17 21:35:00 - [86] Pyramid quoting is the repeated use of the quote button to end up with an overly long quote of numerous users. Check this post for further details - here Pyramid quoting is basic netiquette and whilst it has been a problem in other forums, specifically CAOD, this does not exclude it as a ruling in other forums. Discussing moderation can be bad for your posting health, I advise that if you do have problems with this to mail [email protected] to speak to my immediate bosses who can advise you on any further action you wish to take. Remember, with the report a post function, this is not necesarily something that we community representatives have decided to clamp down on by ourselves. There are potentially over 200,000 users and posting in such a style may annoy some of them. Mitnal, Community Representative EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang

Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.01.17 21:49:00 - [87] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 17/01/2008 21:50:20 Originally by: CCP Mitnal Pyramid quoting is the repeated use of the quote button to end up with an overly long quote of numerous users. Check this post for further details - here Pyramid quoting is basic netiquette and whilst it has been a problem in other forums, specifically CAOD, this does not exclude it as a ruling in other forums. Discussing moderation can be bad for your posting health, I advise that if you do have problems with this to mail [email protected] to speak to my immediate bosses who can advise you on any further action you wish to take. Remember, with the report a post function, this is not necesarily something that we community representatives have decided to clamp down on by ourselves. There are potentially over 200,000 users and posting in such a style may annoy some of them. Respectfully, why are you in our thread? There wasn't a serious issue, we were having a civil discussion and there was nothing forum breaking going on which is, as I understand it, the rational behind banning pyramid quoting. I appreciate that you are trying to clean up the forums but why are you here in MD when CAOD is such a disaster? 5% Mining & Manufacturing Implants
Trilori Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:06:00 - [88] Edited by: Trilori on 18/01/2008 13:06:47 Originally by: CCP Mitnal Pyramid quoting is the repeated use of the quote button to end up with an overly long quote of numerous users. Check this post for further details - here Pyramid quoting is basic netiquette and whilst it has been a problem in other forums, specifically CAOD, this does not exclude it as a ruling in other forums. Discussing moderation can be bad for your posting health, I advise that if you do have problems with this to mail [email protected] to speak to my immediate bosses who can advise you on any further action you wish to take. Remember, with the report a post function, this is not necesarily something that we community representatives have decided to clamp down on by ourselves. There are potentially over 200,000 users and posting in such a style may annoy some of them. then remove the stupid feature if YOU don't like it.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.18 13:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Kushion This has gotten... interesting. Wonder what ricdic will report? Assuming of course that the OP wasn't lying about it. Though Ricdic said he couldn't be arsed to bother with this, though. Lack of any confirmation says the OP is probably full of it, to no surprise. But eh... all these loan request FOTMs are getting kinda boring now. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Harry Caray	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Professor Bunsen Edited by: Professor Bunsen on 14/01/2008 10:45:29 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Do you currently have the skills to operate the POS guns manually, and if so, would you be willing to show this with an in-eve.net profile? Also, a few curiousities... the character Korami Nagema is a touch over a year old, not 10 months, and if in fact that's your real main and was a new character to the game, I find it odd that you went from new character to being in a player corp within half an hour of joining EVE, according to employment history. Most new players are still figuring out how to undock for the tutorial at that point, let alone have spent enough time to chat with someone enough to warrant joining a corp and have the know-how to get to a specific station to put in an application. Look at the "main" skillsheet, selected 3 perception, but has cybernetics to 4 and a set of +4's as a 7mil SP char, then went straight into a career as a researcher. If you're thinking of investing, keep reading Minerva's post this until the urge goes away The "main" is almost certainly an alt, and if that's so Anne Temple is a liar, and that's all you need to know really. no dividends paid, looking to certainly be a total scam. oh well.

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