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Anne Temple
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 13/01/2008 22:31:39
Summary of APEX
APEX research was founded at the beginning of the invention boom. Since it's founding APEX has moved on to component manufacture to support the expanding invention industry.
Background on origins/idea/current business
APEX was formed as an alt corp to hold manufacturing alts and utilize empire POSes for the invention project. Since that time more alts have been trained and the business has evolved to include more production than invention.
I have always been on the lookout for more ways to make isk, moving from invention to component manufacture was a result of looking at how many components I had to buy to build anything I invented. I have explored other options as well including some tech 1 manufacture and datacore harvesting.
My experience in eve includes POS operations, all kinds of production and a considerable amount of trade. All of these things have helped me to build APEX into a profitable venture. I have the desire, knowledge and experience to operate a successful business, What I lack right now is sufficient capital to implement all of my ideas.
Corporate Governance
Corporate govrnanace is fairly simple, everyone in the corp is an alt of the same person (me) and so everyone has director just to make it easier to run the corp. No other player has any access to APEX. I am not opposed to allowing investors to put audit alts in the corp but those would clearly not be given take access to anything.
The Business Plan
This bond is two parts. The first part is an expansion of the existing business. The second part will help the first to be much more profitable.
Part 1: Expansion
Currently I buy advanced reactions from the market and use those to build Tech 2 components. This is proitable but requires a large number of factory slots and capital to be worthwhile. 2 billion isk from the bond will be used to invest in more materials for this part of the buiness, longer build times on jobs give me time to work on the second part.
Part 2: Reactors
In building components I have purchased large amounts of advacned reactions. Out of curiosity I looked into how much money those sellers are making and was impressed with the potential.
Putting these two parts together allows me to be much more profitable. I am able to easily consume the materials produced by part 2 in my component manufacture business, especially with sufficinet capital to buy the remaining materials. Based on how reaction prices have moved over the last few months I predict that building my own reaction will nearly double the profitability of part 1. Getting input materials at build cost will be a huge advantage to me.
Statement of Assets
Current assets are not much, there is about 2 billion isk in capital plus a freighter and a set of tech 2 component BPOs with some other random tech 1 BPOs from the invetnion project.
Full Disclosure of Risks
Part one of this operation is nearly completely risk free, there are no assets outside of stations and the corp consists only of me. The only risk of loss in part one is the unavoidable one, me.
Part two is considerably more risky, this requires deploying poses in lowsec space where anyone can attack them. I have worked out a POS configuration that would discourage most people from attacking the towers and since the moons themselves have little to no value (I'm not mining) there is less risk involved. Clearly it is still possible for someone to attack the poses and in that case I will have corporate funds set aside to hire merc corps to defend the structures. Considering the small amount to be gained by attacking the towers it is not likely anyone would bother.
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Anne Temple
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 13/01/2008 22:32:00
Full Disclosure of Main and Alts
My main is Korami Nagema. She is a 10 month old character, I have not been very vocal or active with that character in recent times however as APEX has become my main focus in the game. I'll be using Anne Temple to operate the bond because she is the main character I use in running APEX. The decision to use Anne over Korami is one of convenience more than anything.
There are currently 6 members of APEX, all of them production alts. One also has CEO skills and another has a freighter.
Exit Strategy
The business itself is extremely low risk since there is a huge demand for the components I produce. The risk comes in a loss of the lowsec assets. Assuming a suprise attack that reinforces all the towers before I can get defenses online (extremely unlikely but a worst-case scenario) I will still have two days to clear out all the materials at the POSes. The towers and structures themselves are actually very little in comparison to the value of what can be saved (materials). Assuming a total loss of lowsec installations I can take the materials saved from those structures and either pay back the bond or use the funds for more production in part 1.
From day 1 the business will be completely covered from loss to outside attack.
Assuming I drop dead and can no longer pay dividends there will currently be no way to repay investors. I am not opposed to putting an investor in the corp with a share who can vote themselves in as CEO. This would not be possible if I am active but would be if I was no longer playing. Other methods of security may be implemented but this is the only one I can think of right now.
IPO Phases, Dividends, Market Cap
Although the project is two major parts I will be issuing one bond to cover both parts. This will be a 6 month bond with a fixed return of 10%. I will pay the 10% every month until the 6th month when I will pay the initial bond price 10,000 + the final interest payment of 10%. Each share will yield a 6,000isk profit over 6 months
Total Number of Shares
1,000,000
Shares Allocated for IPO
1,000,000
Price Per Share
10,000
Anticipated Market Capitalization
10,000,000,000
Dividend Schedule
Monthly
Total interest Payment
6,000,000,000
Projected Return per interest Payment(%)
10.0%
Projected Return per bond
6,000isk profit, 16,000isk per share at the end of the bond.
The bond offering will be one phase, first come-first serve. There is no limit to the number of shares that may be purchased by one person. This bond release is scheduled to begin in one week.
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Anne Temple
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:31:00 -
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FAQ
Q: How do I know this isn't a scam?
A: There is never any way to be 100% certain but I am willing to do anything within reason to prove my trustworthiness. I am completely open to investors putting alts in the corp to monitor activity and the names of all the production characters can be provided at any time.
Q: How do you know you'll be successful?
A: I have been operating one part of this for several months and have been able to easily make money at it. Adding the second part and more capital will only make that easier.
Q: Why are you doing this?
A: It would take me months to build up the capital needed to do this on my own and a bond allows me to acclerate the process.
Q: Do you intend to have an audit done at some point?
A: There are no plans for an audit but if any investor wishes to do so I am perfectly willing to give them the relevant access.
Q: What's your background?
A: As outlined above my background is mainly in production and trade, I like to make isk.
Q: Will you ever buy back bonds?
A: Bonds may be sold back at any time for 80% of their issue price.
Q: Will you ever pay over 10% dividends?
A: No, the return is fixed but depending on how this bond goes I may offer other investments in the future.
Q: What if someone War Decs APEX?
A: Not much will happen. I will have to contract the freighter work out or move that character to another corp. The lowsec assets are probably the biggest risk to a wardec but as outlined above I can easily minimize that loss to virtually nothing.
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Anne Temple
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:32:00 -
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Reserved for future use.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Anne Temple
Assuming a suprise attack that reinforces all the towers before I can get defenses online (extremely unlikely but a worst-case scenario) I will still have two days to clear out all the materials at the POSes.
Does this mean that all your towers offensive and defensive capabilites are offline at all times until you online them?
or to say it another way
In normal opperation is all your towers pwrgrid and cpu going to silo's, hangers, reators, couplings, etc etc. Instead of having some guns and other defensive/offensive tower modules online at all times?
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 13/01/2008 22:46:59
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Anne Temple
Assuming a suprise attack that reinforces all the towers before I can get defenses online (extremely unlikely but a worst-case scenario) I will still have two days to clear out all the materials at the POSes.
Does this mean that all your towers offensive and defensive capabilites are offline at all times until you online them?
or to say it another way
In normal opperation is all your towers pwrgrid and cpu going to silo's, hangers, reators, couplings, etc etc. Instead of having some guns and other defensive/offensive tower modules online at all times?
The tower's defenses will always be online. The defenses I refer to bringing online there are a merc corp or myself with pos gunner skills.
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Coconut Joe
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:49:00 -
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May I reserve 1 billion ISK worth of shares please.
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bjone6
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:59:00 -
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I would like to reserve 50 mil worth. I believe that's 5000 bonds. Please eve-mail this character if I forget to check back in. Thanks.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 13/01/2008 23:08:11
I seriously suggest scrapping part 2. Reactors can only be run in lowsec and all it takes is one pirate corp with a handful of dreadnoughts to come along and ransom your towers to ruin the entire plan. Do you have mercenary contracts on standby who are prepared to defend the POS? If so, how will they be funded and what happens if they get ransomed again or if towers are actually lost?
Additionally, using the concept of "value added" at each stage of the production process, you don't profit by producing these materials yourself. If you take the base materials and react them into a finished product, you have added value to your inventory through the reaction process. Since you could cash out at this stage by selling the materials for market median values, you have to take into account that using the materials you made yourself incurrs an opportunity cost equal to the difference between your build cost and potential sale price.
Essentially, all the profit from the reaction stage could be retrieved AT the reaction stage and not passed on to the component construction stage. This means that you don't lower your costs by taking reaction in-house, rather all you save are logistical issues which you're then reinstating by having to base the reactors in lowsec where I assume your normal production is not occuring.
Consider these two scenarios:
1) Buy materials for 100m, make components, sell components for 150m.
Profit: 50m
Workload: buy materials, haul materials, build components, haul components, sell components.
2) Buy raw materials for 50m, react, make components, sell components for 150m.
Profit: 100m
*Real Profit: 50m
*This is the profit accounting for opportunity cost of sale of the materials for aforementioned 100m market price.
Workload: Buy materials, buy POS fuel, haul materials, haul fuel, haul materials and fuel into lowsec (dangerous), run POS in lowsec (dangerous and has a heavy workload), haul materials out of lowsec (safe if you're only one jump into lowsec), manufacture components, haul components, sell components.
As you can see, you'd be drastically increasing workload and risk without any tangible benefit. You may as well be running two separate businesses, one making components and one making components. The effect would be the same.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 13/01/2008 23:19:27
Originally by: Anne Temple
The defenses I refer to bringing online there are a merc corp or myself with pos gunner skills.
Do you currently have the skills to operate the POS guns manually, and if so, would you be willing to show this with an in-eve.net profile?
Also, a few curiousities... the character Korami Nagema is a touch over a year old, not 10 months, and if in fact that's your real main and was a new character to the game, I find it odd that you went from new character to being in a player corp within half an hour of joining EVE, according to employment history. Most new players are still figuring out how to undock for the tutorial at that point, let alone have spent enough time to chat with someone enough to warrant joining a corp and have the know-how to get to a specific station to put in an application.
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 13/01/2008 23:08:11
I seriously suggest scrapping part 2. Reactors can only be run in lowsec and all it takes is one pirate corp with a handful of dreadnoughts to come along and ransom your towers to ruin the entire plan. Do you have mercenary contracts on standby who are prepared to defend the POS? If so, how will they be funded and what happens if they get ransomed again or if towers are actually lost?
Additionally, using the concept of "value added" at each stage of the production process, you don't profit by producing these materials yourself. If you take the base materials and react them into a finished product, you have added value to your inventory through the reaction process. Since you could cash out at this stage by selling the materials for market median values, you have to take into account that using the materials you made yourself incurrs an opportunity cost equal to the difference between your build cost and potential sale price.
Essentially, all the profit from the reaction stage could be retrieved AT the reaction stage and not passed on to the component construction stage. This means that you don't lower your costs by taking reaction in-house, rather all you save are logistical issues which you're then reinstating by having to base the reactors in lowsec where I assume your normal production is not occuring.
Consider these two scenarios:
1) Buy materials for 100m, make components, sell components for 150m.
Profit: 50m
Workload: buy materials, haul materials, build components, haul components, sell components.
2) Buy raw materials for 50m, react, make components, sell components for 150m.
Profit: 100m
*Real Profit: 50m
*This is the profit accounting for opportunity cost of sale of the materials for aforementioned 100m market price.
Workload: Buy materials, buy POS fuel, haul materials, haul fuel, haul materials and fuel into lowsec (dangerous), run POS in lowsec (dangerous and has a heavy workload), haul materials out of lowsec (safe if you're only one jump into lowsec), manufacture components, haul components, sell components.
As you can see, you'd be drastically increasing workload and risk without any tangible benefit. You may as well be running two separate businesses, one making components and one making components. The effect would be the same.
EDIT: Where did my sig go? Bloody forums.
I see what you are saying about there basically being two corps and that is really the case. I am basically producing a reaction that I then have a contract to sell 100% of at build cost to another corp that just happens to be me. This does however increase my overall profits. Yes it increases my workload but I am already maxed out on production slots and this is a way to invest more isk and turn a profit.
I have a relationship with a merc corp that could step in if need be, the isk for this will come out of the corps funds and will not impact the bond payments at all. As outlined above even if the towers are lost I will still be able to pay back the bond.
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 13/01/2008 23:19:27
Originally by: Anne Temple
The defenses I refer to bringing online there are a merc corp or myself with pos gunner skills.
Do you currently have the skills to operate the POS guns manually, and if so, would you be willing to show this with an in-eve.net profile?
Also, a few curiousities... the character Korami Nagema is a touch over a year old, not 10 months, and if in fact that's your real main and was a new character to the game, I find it odd that you went from new character to being in a player corp within half an hour of joining EVE, according to employment history. Most new players are still figuring out how to undock for the tutorial at that point, let alone have spent enough time to chat with someone enough to warrant joining a corp and have the know-how to get to a specific station to put in an application.
I aparently fail at reading my own corp history.  Yes I did join PZI quickly after starting EVE but they were having a recruitment drive in my noob corp chat so I went right to them.
I can provide an ineve.net skillsheet of the pos gunner character if you like, it is currently unable to pos gun but will be able to in about 2 weeks, since the poses wont even be set up for another 7-10 days minimum this is no problem.
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Verschwenderisch
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:44:00 -
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i would like to reserve 50m worth of bonds plz
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Scipio Divinitus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:51:00 -
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Reserve 50 million worth of shares please 
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:52:00 -
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If you would like bonds please post in this thread. When I receive ISK in game I will send shares to the character that sent isk.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.14 03:22:00 -
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The Irrational Exhuberance is strong in this thread.
Come on guys, ask questions. Don't just jump headfirst into these investments. This was attempted a few months ago and shot down due to the OP not wanting to reveal his main.
Now, he has revealed his main, however his main :
1) Is not 10 months old, is actually 1 year old last week '2007.01.10 12:27' (Happy birthday)
2) Has not posted here to confirm it is ACTUALLY the main. I could say Chribba was my main, and that doesn't make it so until confirmed.
3) The main itself has no standings with anyone. It has a -0.1 which would indicate he noob ship killed someone when he first undocked.
4) Zero documentation has been provided to show the skills of both the main and this alt (rumored to be a POS gunner)
5) No API details are forthcoming to prove prior business skills of any fashion.
6) The person's CEO hasn't been contacted by anyone here for questioning.
7) You are investing in a 1 year old alt who has been backed up by a 1 year old "Main" with less standings/skills than most of my alts. Let's PROVE some of this before we jump in giving away our money.
It's one thing to get a headstart on investments before the big guys jump onto them, but if you don't do your own research you WILL get burnt. It may not be on this investment, or the next, but it WILL happen. Want to make your own decisions, do your own research.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 03:36:00 -
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I agree with Ric, while I have already invested that does not change a thing. I realize its only to the benefit of the doubt of the OP.
I would like to see the following: a post made by OP's main, API details of both which would be amicably considerate to the investors considering as questions are raised at this time.
If you as OP want to prove you are not a scam, as you said you will do everything willing I suggest you post your limited APIs right here.
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Korami Nagema
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.01.14 03:41:00 -
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Posting to indicate this is my alt/I am the main.
I will update the in-eve skill pages for myself and Anne and have those up as soon as they update.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.14 03:56:00 -
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Trilori you ***** me up sometimes 
To the OP, your API shouldn't be shown to the public. Find someone trusted to verify the journal/transactions/skill points, assets lists, alt characters, etc. And no I don't want the job. I have way too much happening on my end as it is and don't have time to take your operation on.
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.14 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 14/01/2008 04:25:28
Until I can find someone to verify these personally here are the skill sheets for Korami and Anne, who is the pos gunner and freighter pilot. As I said before Anne is about 2 weeks away from pos gunning but it will be that long before they are up anyway.
Anne Temple
Korami Nagema
I did not ask you to do anything Ricdic, I will find someone with the time to verify these asap. Thanks for the suggestions, if you have anything more let me know and I will be happy to do what I can.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Trilori on 14/01/2008 05:28:03
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APEX was formed as an alt corp to hold manufacturing alts and utilize empire POSes for the invention project. Since that time more alts have been trained and the business has evolved to include more production than invention.
So if APEX was formed as an alt corp to hold manufacturing alts, what was the main corp at the time?
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My experience in eve includes POS operations, all kinds of production and a considerable amount of trade. All of these things have helped me to build APEX into a profitable venture. I have the desire, knowledge and experience to operate a successful business, What I lack right now is sufficient capital to implement all of my ideas.
Where did you get your experiences? How long have you done it in other corporations and on your own? Can you tell us what responsibilities you took individually and as a team in your past corp experiences?
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Corporate govrnanace is fairly simple, everyone in the corp is an alt of the same person (me) and so everyone has director just to make it easier to run the corp. No other player has any access to APEX. I am not opposed to allowing investors to put audit alts in the corp but those would clearly not be given take access to anything.
Great idea, except you potentially have a risk of someone selling your corp information to potential wrongdoers/enemies and could sour your IPO do you want that risk? Do the Investors?
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Statement of Assets
Current assets are not much, there is about 2 billion isk in capital plus a freighter and a set of tech 2 component BPOs with some other random tech 1 BPOs from the invetnion project.
Where did you get these assets? Were they purchased with borrowed funds or your own funds in the past? Or did you manufacture any of your assets?
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Full Disclosure of Risks
Part one of this operation is nearly completely risk free, there are no assets outside of stations and the corp consists only of me. The only risk of loss in part one is the unavoidable one, me.
So if the risk is only you, how can you assure investors there will be an alternate way of getting in to liquidate assets and return invested funds without taking a huge loss?
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Part two is considerably more risky, this requires deploying poses in lowsec space where anyone can attack them. I have worked out a POS configuration that would discourage most people from attacking the towers and since the moons themselves have little to no value (I'm not mining) there is less risk involved. Clearly it is still possible for someone to attack the poses and in that case I will have corporate funds set aside to hire merc corps to defend the structures. Considering the small amount to be gained by attacking the towers it is not likely anyone would bother.
I read somewhere you will have defense funds reserved and will have a merc corp on standby ready to go to defend, will you be involved in supporting the defense with them? How long will it take a merc corp to activate and deploy to your area and how short of a notice will they accept? As I understand it you will have gun control skills for your POS correct? What happens if you cannot login (internet goes down, power goes out, you magically disappear (exit stragegy and based on the above question about the risk that is only you for part 1)
Thank you for your time, I look forward to some answers soon :)
EDIT: had to fix a quote problem
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.14 05:37:00 -
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Talk to Kirjava about the dangers of running reactions in low sec. I'll relate a bit of what he told me: From the start he had to go 30-something jumps out of his way to avoid pirates when moving the moon minerals and at 19,200 m3/day going both in and out you'll be making a lot of those trips. After the first few weeks the local pirates found his POS's and he started getting weekly ransom notes. He told them to drop dead, a few attacked with BS's but he was able to rep them back to health in his spare time. Eventually a fleet of dreads showed up and destroyed a whole set of 4 well defended POS's. At his other location the local pirates figured out he was operating the POS's and thus would show up whenever he logged in to try to catch him transporting stuff which is easier than ever thanks to Heavy Interdictors. He ultimately lost billions and may be selling two of his characters to help pay back his investors....sure, you can make 50% a month profit on a 10B investment but there's a reason for that profit margin and that's an obscene level of risk and difficulty.
When it comes to running low sec reactors, disasters happen everyone, even the veterans. You have to except that you are going to loss a few and given the fact that you're completely inexperienced in this and putting all of your eggs in one basket, I won't be investing. Also, 10% is obscenely low given the risk and profit involved. That said, I happen to be running a few reactors so if you have a question about the business I might be able to help out.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:17:00 -
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Was reading through the OP's post in detail when I found this line:
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Considering the small amount to be gained by attacking the towers it is not likely anyone would bother.
All I have to say is that if the OP believes this he's going to loose billions in investor's capital. Getting a few dreads together to destroy 4 POS's has a cost of what, 200M? How much are the materials sitting in those 22 cylos worth? Easily 500M, often a billion or two. How much are the structures other than the tower worth? 200M minimum. Then consider that after they pop a few people will take them seriously and pay blackmail money. So they can make a modest profit off of popping them and after that make billions just by sending a threatening eve-mail. Oh and if you don't have someone gunning and get out their to rep the shields yourself, a half-dozen BS's can take down a large POS, even with 5 shield hardeners.
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Anne Temple on 14/01/2008 07:59:56
First I will answer Trilori's questions in order, then Kwint Sommer's.
APEX was formed as a separate corp for my personal industrial work. There was no corp before it.
My experience in production and POS management comes from APEX and my trade experience comes from my main.
The only people I will allow into the corp for auditing purposes will be those with enough invested in the corp that there would be nothing to gain by revealing that information. Just because someone says they want to audit the corp doesn't mean I'm going to give them access, there has to be some level of mutual trust.
The assets that the corp has come completely from me, I built them up using trade and manufacturing.
As I said there is currently no other method for liquidating the corp in my absence but should a trustworthy person come along that is willing to do that I am completely willing to give them the relevant roles/access.
The defense funds will be in place to defend the towers if one comes under siege. The towers hold two days of stront which is enough time to get a merc corp online and in place to defend. It is also enough time to empty the silos and corp hangars of any materials.
There is risk in any organization, I could put someone else in the corp so that if by some strange chance my internet fails while the towers are simultaneously under siege they could step in and gun. I find this extremely unlikely and would consider that other person to be more of a risk than an asset in most situations. You would essentially have to trust both people with the bond instead of just me.
Now for Kwint Sommer's points.
Yes the poses are valuable and yes there are many pirates in lowsec. There are also lots of poses. Someone may decide to attack my towers, if all my defensive measures failed they would gain a few hundred mil in structures and thats about it. Considering the amount of effort involved and the number of poorly defended poses in lowsec I doubt mine would be a primary target. If by some chance they are I can remove more than half of the value of the pos even if it is reinforced. The towers themselves are not worth nearly as much as the materials in the silos, those can be recovered at any time.
Yes there is risk of losing the towers, that is why the bond is only 10%. As you suggested the profit margin theoretically allows for much more of a payout than that but I cannot guarantee it. 10% is a figure I can feel comfortable ensuring because even in a total worst case scenario where everything blows up I can still pay that 10% out. You mentioned putting all my eggs in one basket, this is not what APEX is doing at all. I will still have empire production running regardless of how the poses are doing. This will allow me to continue making money to pay off the rest of the bond or replace any lost assets.
There is risk involved in any venture, this bond allows me to gain the capital I need to expand my business and gives investors a safe 10% return on their investment. The concerns raised here are valid but I have taken them into consideration and I still feel this is something I can pull off. Yes it means an increased workload for me, yes it involves risking some expensive assets but I feel it is completely worth it.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2008.01.14 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slurm on 14/01/2008 08:29:23
I've been following this thread since it was posted. I don't plan on investing, but I thought I would note that the posts I have read from Anne Temple are well spoken and thought out. Which is quite the opposite of other recent IPO's/bonds. She also seems to handle criticism better, too.
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Shuan Jedai
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:20:00 -
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Ah dang. Forums ate my reply, so here's most of it.
1. InEve.net skills prove nothing. Well, except the chars skill training has been switched now and then. Hand over the full API to trusted third party to prove your main has actually been played with.
2. 'Merc corp'. Who are they ? You state you have a relationship with them. How did it form ? Can you get them to post to verify ?
3. 'Defence Fund'. How much is set aside for it ? Where does the money come from ?
4. Why do you have just 2 billion if you have been just trading for a year ? If you have more, why not invest it in to the venture to reduce the amount of public ISK and thus the interest you have to pay?
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Professor Bunsen
Optech Mineral Ventures
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:17:00 -
[27]
Edited by: Professor Bunsen on 14/01/2008 10:17:34
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Do you currently have the skills to operate the POS guns manually, and if so, would you be willing to show this with an in-eve.net profile?
Also, a few curiousities... the character Korami Nagema is a touch over a year old, not 10 months, and if in fact that's your real main and was a new character to the game, I find it odd that you went from new character to being in a player corp within half an hour of joining EVE, according to employment history. Most new players are still figuring out how to undock for the tutorial at that point, let alone have spent enough time to chat with someone enough to warrant joining a corp and have the know-how to get to a specific station to put in an application.
If you're thinking of investing, keep reading this until the urge goes away  The "main" is almost certainly an alt, and if that's so Anne Temple is a liar, and that's all you need to know really.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:35:00 -
[28]
1. You can just enter the API details into ineve.net and you will get an 'API Verified' sticker, which will mean you haven't tampered with the XML files, and that's good enough.
2. Your biggest problem here is going to be ensuring the security of the POS's. You say that only a couple hundred million is lost from the towers but that's just the assets. The 'valuable' thing is not the POS's, it's the stock being held in the silos, and if you lose that, you lose sales, and thus profits. And its profits that I'm interested in.
Now, if you're absolutely sure you are 'secure', and you might want to ask a simple question to your friendly merc corp to verify how secure your operation actually is then you won't mind disclosing the region that you're in. Most people here can then verify which alliances are active in that region and judge the full levels of danger to your POS's. You can evemail to discuss this with me if you want.
You see normally moon operations will be done by much larger concerns or corps who have big friends. Take for instance FL with FuryHoldings. He has BRUCE behind him. These provide the guarantees that funny business with industrial ops like moon mining are ok.
3. 10%. 10% return is kind of a no-mans land between 'normal risk' and 'high risk' profiles, and this investment is (even after the guarantees), high risk.
If I were an investor (and if these points are satisfied I definitely will be), then I wouldn't mind taking on a share of the risk for a share of the profits.
Therefore I think this has to go to full IPO and do full-on profit-sharing. You've disclosed just about enough to do a full on IPO, so it shouldn't really a problem.
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Feyloan
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Posted - 2008.01.14 11:05:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Anne Temple
Edited by: Anne Temple on 14/01/2008 04:25:28
Until I can find someone to verify these personally here are the skill sheets for Korami and Anne, who is the pos gunner and freighter pilot. As I said before Anne is about 2 weeks away from pos gunning but it will be that long before they are up anyway.
Anne Temple
Korami Nagema
I did not ask you to do anything Ricdic, I will find someone with the time to verify these asap. Thanks for the suggestions, if you have anything more let me know and I will be happy to do what I can.
Well, last night I was thinking of taking a stake in this operation, though I wanted to ask some questions first. These however have now been asked, at least for the main part.
Let's look at some of the facts here:
1) The half hour char joining a Corp is strange in the best of case (if it is the main). You have explained this, however it still seems more than a little weird.
2) The plan involves a very real and high risk to investors, as we have seen with EDINA. If you want people to really invest in this, you will need to invrease that 10%. People will be willing to share the risk.
3) You posted this IPO last October. Yes, you have improved the Plan SIGNIFICANTLY, in both detail and wording, it really is a well written business plan.
Now, from personal experience, I know not only that a lot can go wrong, but it is also hard as a relatively new char, and even harder if:
a) You are relatively or completely unknown in these parts and
b) You make the mistake you made in October with a lack of openness and communication.
So, the b) part I see you very much improving on, and only with really good communication will people trust you and invest in your venture.
This all being said, I was going to offer to do the verification for you. I would also be willing to put an alt, created for the sole purpose of audit, into the Corp to monitor everything on behalf of investors.
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
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Feyloan
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Posted - 2008.01.14 11:13:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Professor Bunsen
Look at the "main" skillsheet, selected 3 perception, but has cybernetics to 4 and a set of +4's as a 7mil SP char, then went straight into a career as a researcher.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you are looking at the main? The main is 10mil SP with trade skills as she has claimed.
OK, also looks like she does exploration, but who cares....
The alt is the one with 7mil SP and research career (which is again as she claimed).
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:25:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Dr Slurm
Edited by: Dr Slurm on 14/01/2008 08:29:23
I've been following this thread since it was posted. I don't plan on investing, but I thought I would note that the posts I have read from Anne Temple are well spoken and thought out. Which is quite the opposite of other recent IPO's/bonds. She also seems to handle criticism better, too.
I agree, and I know this from advice I have seen others give her prior to posting this Bond. So Kudos to Anne.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:32:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Feyloan
Originally by: Anne Temple
Edited by: Anne Temple on 14/01/2008 04:25:28
Until I can find someone to verify these personally here are the skill sheets for Korami and Anne, who is the pos gunner and freighter pilot. As I said before Anne is about 2 weeks away from pos gunning but it will be that long before they are up anyway.
Anne Temple
Korami Nagema
I did not ask you to do anything Ricdic, I will find someone with the time to verify these asap. Thanks for the suggestions, if you have anything more let me know and I will be happy to do what I can.
Well, last night I was thinking of taking a stake in this operation, though I wanted to ask some questions first. These however have now been asked, at least for the main part.
Let's look at some of the facts here:
1) The half hour char joining a Corp is strange in the best of case (if it is the main). You have explained this, however it still seems more than a little weird.
2) The plan involves a very real and high risk to investors, as we have seen with EDINA. If you want people to really invest in this, you will need to invrease that 10%. People will be willing to share the risk.
3) You posted this IPO last October. Yes, you have improved the Plan SIGNIFICANTLY, in both detail and wording, it really is a well written business plan.
Now, from personal experience, I know not only that a lot can go wrong, but it is also hard as a relatively new char, and even harder if:
a) You are relatively or completely unknown in these parts and
b) You make the mistake you made in October with a lack of openness and communication.
So, the b) part I see you very much improving on, and only with really good communication will people trust you and invest in your venture.
This all being said, I was going to offer to do the verification for you. I would also be willing to put an alt, created for the sole purpose of audit, into the Corp to monitor everything on behalf of investors.
Can Feyloan or Anne provide a link to her previous IPO/Bond post that was posted in October? I realize that is the past, has nothing to do with this, but any history/dealings this person has done should be looked into.
I'm not fully satisfied with the questions I asked things are getting muddled and I will explain in my next post.
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Shuan Jedai
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:36:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Therefore I think this has to go to full IPO and do full-on profit-sharing. You've disclosed just about enough to do a full on IPO, so it shouldn't really a problem.
Indeed.
If all questions and concerns are addressed and the bond turned into real share, I'd certainly invest. I like that risk / profit. Perhaps third party auditing to show profits are really shared.
Other way I see myself interested is that all questions & concerns addressed, and the payback ability of the OP verified by third party via API for the bond. Ie. Someone can confirm that he is making that 2.6b+ /month needed for repayment of the bond, even if the venture goes belly up.
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Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:40:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Feyloan
Originally by: Anne Temple
Edited by: Anne Temple on 14/01/2008 04:25:28
Until I can find someone to verify these personally here are the skill sheets for Korami and Anne, who is the pos gunner and freighter pilot. As I said before Anne is about 2 weeks away from pos gunning but it will be that long before they are up anyway.
Anne Temple
Korami Nagema
I did not ask you to do anything Ricdic, I will find someone with the time to verify these asap. Thanks for the suggestions, if you have anything more let me know and I will be happy to do what I can.
Well, last night I was thinking of taking a stake in this operation, though I wanted to ask some questions first. These however have now been asked, at least for the main part.
Let's look at some of the facts here:
1) The half hour char joining a Corp is strange in the best of case (if it is the main). You have explained this, however it still seems more than a little weird.
2) The plan involves a very real and high risk to investors, as we have seen with EDINA. If you want people to really invest in this, you will need to invrease that 10%. People will be willing to share the risk.
3) You posted this IPO last October. Yes, you have improved the Plan SIGNIFICANTLY, in both detail and wording, it really is a well written business plan.
Now, from personal experience, I know not only that a lot can go wrong, but it is also hard as a relatively new char, and even harder if:
a) You are relatively or completely unknown in these parts and
b) You make the mistake you made in October with a lack of openness and communication.
So, the b) part I see you very much improving on, and only with really good communication will people trust you and invest in your venture.
This all being said, I was going to offer to do the verification for you. I would also be willing to put an alt, created for the sole purpose of audit, into the Corp to monitor everything on behalf of investors.
Can Feyloan or Anne provide a link to her previous IPO/Bond post that was posted in October? I realize that is the past, has nothing to do with this, but any history/dealings this person has done should be looked into.
I'm not fully satisfied with the questions I asked things are getting muddled and I will explain in my next post.
i suggest you ignore this man
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:46:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Trilori on 14/01/2008 12:50:21
Edited by: Trilori on 14/01/2008 12:49:40
GRRR somehow my quoted replies won't show and the word count is screwed up... thanks alot CCP you broke the forums as usual. /end rant! |
Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:48:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Feyloan
Originally by: Anne Temple
Edited by: Anne Temple on 14/01/2008 04:25:28
Until I can find someone to verify these personally here are the skill sheets for Korami and Anne, who is the pos gunner and freighter pilot. As I said before Anne is about 2 weeks away from pos gunning but it will be that long before they are up anyway.
Anne Temple
Korami Nagema
I did not ask you to do anything Ricdic, I will find someone with the time to verify these asap. Thanks for the suggestions, if you have anything more let me know and I will be happy to do what I can.
Well, last night I was thinking of taking a stake in this operation, though I wanted to ask some questions first. These however have now been asked, at least for the main part.
Let's look at some of the facts here:
1) The half hour char joining a Corp is strange in the best of case (if it is the main). You have explained this, however it still seems more than a little weird.
2) The plan involves a very real and high risk to investors, as we have seen with EDINA. If you want people to really invest in this, you will need to invrease that 10%. People will be willing to share the risk.
3) You posted this IPO last October. Yes, you have improved the Plan SIGNIFICANTLY, in both detail and wording, it really is a well written business plan.
Now, from personal experience, I know not only that a lot can go wrong, but it is also hard as a relatively new char, and even harder if:
a) You are relatively or completely unknown in these parts and
b) You make the mistake you made in October with a lack of openness and communication.
So, the b) part I see you very much improving on, and only with really good communication will people trust you and invest in your venture.
This all being said, I was going to offer to do the verification for you. I would also be willing to put an alt, created for the sole purpose of audit, into the Corp to monitor everything on behalf of investors.
Can Feyloan or Anne provide a link to her previous IPO/Bond post that was posted in October? I realize that is the past, has nothing to do with this, but any history/dealings this person has done should be looked into.
I'm not fully satisfied with the questions I asked things are getting muddled and I will explain in my next post.
i suggest you ignore this man
And why? Nobody is going to take you seriously without backing up that statement, why should she ignore me?
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:49:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Trilori on 14/01/2008 12:51:50
Quote:
APEX was formed as a separate corp for my personal industrial work. There was no corp before it.
I happen to see a discreptency in your answer and from the statement in your OP. You said you created an ALT corp, WHICH is it? Please clarify; you are stuck you must get this cleared, had you said this was your only corp then we might not be here discussing this question. An "alt" corp indicates you had a corp prior.
Quote:
My experience in production and POS management comes from APEX and my trade experience comes from my main.
So you have never been taught by someone else? Never were involved in a corporation who had POS operations?
Quote:
The only people I will allow into the corp for auditing purposes will be those with enough invested in the corp that there would be nothing to gain by revealing that information. Just because someone says they want to audit the corp doesn't mean I'm going to give them access, there has to be some level of mutual trust.
Thats a good call, it still doesn't eliminate your risk even if you get a major investor who doesn't have anything to claim against you the possibilities are still there.
Quote:
The assets that the corp has come completely from me, I built them up using trade and manufacturing.
Fair enough, since your skills have proven otherwise.
Quote:
As I said there is currently no other method for liquidating the corp in my absence but should a trustworthy person come along that is willing to do that I am completely willing to give them the relevant roles/access.
Then you may want to consider setting aside a portion every week and let it build up and have a 3rd party hold it should you disappear (this isn't collateral, this is setting aside portions of ISK that can be used as payout money in this type of situation) then if all goes well and you are still alive and kicking when this is over you get it all back without a hitch.
Quote:
The defense funds will be in place to defend the towers if one comes under siege. The towers hold two days of stront which is enough time to get a merc corp online and in place to defend. It is also enough time to empty the silos and corp hangars of any materials.
Someone asked the question, how much? Who is the merc corp? What system are you operating in (not the empire system, your lowsec systems)
Quote:
There is risk in any organization, I could put someone else in the corp so that if by some strange chance my internet fails while the towers are simultaneously under siege they could step in and gun. I find this extremely unlikely and would consider that other person to be more of a risk than an asset in most situations. You would essentially have to trust both people with the bond instead of just me.
Certainly agree the odds are low if anything should happen in this way, although all possibilities have to be considered. And furthermore I also agree that having a trusted person is also an added risk should they go south and make your bond go south etc etc.
Quote:
Yes there is risk of losing the towers, that is why the bond is only 10%. As you suggested the profit margin theoretically allows for much more of a payout than that but I cannot guarantee it. 10% is a figure I can feel comfortable ensuring because even in a total worst case scenario where everything blows up I can still pay that 10% out. You mentioned putting all my eggs in one basket, this is not what APEX is doing at all. I will still have empire production running regardless of how the poses are doing. This will allow me to continue making money to pay off the rest of the bond or replace any lost assets.
Please provide an approximate figure of how much you will make if this is all you would have left if your lowsec towers were to be pew pew into non existence so we can see the difference in how much you would make with and without.
Quote:
There is risk involved in any venture, this bond allows me to gain the capital I need to expand my business and gives investors a safe 10% return on their investment. The concerns raised here are valid but I have taken them into consideration and I still feel this is something I can pull off. Yes it means an increased workload for me, yes it involves risking some expensive assets but I feel it is completely worth it.
It may be completely worth it, if 10% is what you are comfortable with because you've done the numbers then that is fine. No offense, this is a higher risk (not a full blown high risk due to the fact hisec towers are available) venture just consider that 10% isn't 100% safe though I don't want people to have a total false sense of security, I'm not saying that you providing a reasonable 10% isn't bad or great but don't call it "safe" because it is risky. |
Feyloan
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:00:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Trilori
And why? Nobody is going to take you seriously without backing up that statement, why should she ignore me?
I felt it directed at me, not you, for some reason... here is the link, which I feel is justified, because it shows the difference and how far she has come.
Linkage to previous IPO
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Feyloan
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:07:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Trilori
Quote:
The defense funds will be in place to defend the towers if one comes under siege. The towers hold two days of stront which is enough time to get a merc corp online and in place to defend. It is also enough time to empty the silos and corp hangars of any materials.
Someone asked the question, how much? Who is the merc corp? What system are you operating in (not the empire system, your lowsec systems)
I would not advise the OP to disclose that info, nor would I expect her to, considering that gives an inherent risk with people knowing where her POSs are situated.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:08:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Feyloan
Originally by: Trilori
And why? Nobody is going to take you seriously without backing up that statement, why should she ignore me?
I felt it directed at me, not you, for some reason... here is the link, which I feel is justified, because it shows the difference and how far she has come.
Linkage to previous IPO
Sorry Feyloan I think I disagree, he is pointing at me he could be pointing at you too from the looks of it. Although, I think he is more pointing at me because my last post is included with your reply so that would be a good indicator.
He still needs to back his statement, since he is very unprofessional and is hijacking someone else's thread tsk tsk tsk... that doesn't sit well in my book no matter who he is pointing at.
BTW, thanks for the link.
P.S. be careful long posts will break your post, the 4,000 character limit checker is broke... if you haven't noticed I have double posts due to long overzealous posts :P CCP took the forums down and brought it back broken go figure.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:13:00 -
[41]
I find myself doubting more and more that Korami Nagema is in fact a main. If you look at the skillset given, it looks like that character was more or less trained straight into a Recon/Covert Ops ship... though no Ewar skills that would make that actually useful. There's little way that a character with those skills could have made any initial starting capital, especially as a new character. There's no Gunnery skills, (Which isn't odd in itself being a Caldari character, but it's just the start...) hardly any Missile skills worth mentioning... Definetly no shield skills. No armor skills, not that Caldari are known for that sort of thing anyway... just another piece not adding up. Absolutely no drone skills. Targeting Level I, so the character hasn't so much as locked more than a ship or two in it's career most likely. There's no Industry skills like Mining, except for the standard Mining I that every character starts with. Took Caldari Frigate to V, but not so much as one level in Caldari Cruiser... instead trained Gallente Cruiser to V straight away, assumedly for the Gallente Recon... not that there's any skills to make any actual use out of it. No courier missions were run, being that the supposed "main" has absolutely no standings whatsoever. No player courier contracts were run. There's only one contract that's been done with Korami Nagema, and that was selling a Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane on 7.17.2007. Not something a character with no combat skills worth mentioning is just going to find sitting floating around in space.
Korami Nagema has a lot of trade skills listed there... including... (And this is a good one...) Black Market Trading, which, of course, isn't even an available skill.
Looks like someone used EVEmon to try and throw together a believable skillset... and failed miserably. Neither character is API verified, either.
I call shenanigans, and would not trust the OP or this venture.
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I need new voices in my head,
To speak my secret evils with.
I need new lovers in my bed,
To be my friends and special pets. |
Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:19:00 -
[42]
Hey Anne, can you tell us about Dimitri Garbe???? Please provide an API generated data on this character in InEVE you failed to mention THIS is your other alt of alts or main of mains? Because THIS is your CEO.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
I find myself doubting more and more that Korami Nagema is in fact a main. If you look at the skillset given, it looks like that character was more or less trained straight into a Recon/Covert Ops ship... though no Ewar skills that would make that actually useful. There's little way that a character with those skills could have made any initial starting capital, especially as a new character. There's no Gunnery skills, (Which isn't odd in itself being a Caldari character, but it's just the start...) hardly any Missile skills worth mentioning... Definetly no shield skills. No armor skills, not that Caldari are known for that sort of thing anyway... just another piece not adding up. Absolutely no drone skills. Targeting Level I, so the character hasn't so much as locked more than a ship or two in it's career most likely. There's no Industry skills like Mining, except for the standard Mining I that every character starts with. Took Caldari Frigate to V, but not so much as one level in Caldari Cruiser... instead trained Gallente Cruiser to V straight away, assumedly for the Gallente Recon... not that there's any skills to make any actual use out of it. No courier missions were run, being that the supposed "main" has absolutely no standings whatsoever. No player courier contracts were run. There's only one contract that's been done with Korami Nagema, and that was selling a Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane on 7.17.2007. Not something a character with no combat skills worth mentioning is just going to find sitting floating around in space.
Korami Nagema has a lot of trade skills listed there... including... (And this is a good one...) Black Market Trading, which, of course, isn't even an available skill.
Looks like someone used EVEmon to try and throw together a believable skillset... and failed miserably. Neither character is API verified, either.
I call shenanigans, and would not trust the OP or this venture.
Well if you look at her old IPO someone points out another toon that I just brought up... read up.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:23:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Trilori
Well if you look at her old IPO someone points out another toon that I just brought up... read up.
Yeah, I just saw that.
Either way... the "main" she's claiming here... ain't.
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I need new voices in my head,
To speak my secret evils with.
I need new lovers in my bed,
To be my friends and special pets. |
Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:29:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Originally by: Trilori
Well if you look at her old IPO someone points out another toon that I just brought up... read up.
Yeah, I just saw that.
Either way... the "main" she's claiming here... ain't.
Well like you said, Anne nor her other main/alt isn't a main. Thats why I asked if she would provide API for her Dimitri...
Now as for InEVE... I didn't see any official seal but then I need to compare mine cuz I have an API linked InEVE setup.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:31:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 14/01/2008 13:31:10
Originally by: Trilori
Well like you said, Anne nor her other main/alt isn't a main. Thats why I asked if she would provide API for her Dimitri...
Now as for InEVE... I didn't see any official seal but then I need to compare mine cuz I have an API linked InEVE setup.
API Verified Character on InEVE
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I need new voices in my head,
To speak my secret evils with.
I need new lovers in my bed,
To be my friends and special pets. |
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:32:00 -
[47]
I am not certain but i thought there was a period where new chars got that Market Black ops skill. I may be wrong but it does ring a bell. I remember people creating alts just to get that skill in case it became useful in the future.
Anyway, continue the speculation and tin foil hattery. I'll be over here in the grandstand
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:35:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Edited by: Minerva Vulcan on 14/01/2008 13:31:10
Originally by: Trilori
Well like you said, Anne nor her other main/alt isn't a main. Thats why I asked if she would provide API for her Dimitri...
Now as for InEVE... I didn't see any official seal but then I need to compare mine cuz I have an API linked InEVE setup.
API Verified Character on InEVE
I have my own char linked like that too, just was too slow. Thanks
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:36:00 -
[49]
Quote:
I will also fully disclose the names of all corporation members, they are all production characters and identical to anne and dimitri so you will not obtain any additional information but I will offer the info anyway.
I took this quote from another one of her posts back in October, she indeed has MORE alts, and Anne is her alt none of which she claims are mains her MAIN is Dimitri, although she wouldn't disclose her main in her previous IPO attempt so I have to assume otherwise.
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Professor Bunsen
Optech Mineral Ventures
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:12:00 -
[50]
Screenshot of the skill training history for the supposed "main" should resolve it. My bet is that it went straight to cybernetics and learning skills
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:17:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Professor Bunsen
Screenshot of the skill training history for the supposed "main" should resolve it. My bet is that it went straight to cybernetics and learning skills
An InEVE API link of the main would also resolve it, screenshots can be doctored, I won't accept screenies.
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Feyloan
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:31:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Feyloan on 14/01/2008 14:32:17
Well, as long as the OP is not here, we can't do much. I've offered to Audit this, and no-one has opposed that offer with reasons of credibility or the such.
We need to get a Main posted and the API keys verified. One thing though, Anne is meant as being Science based, with the other being trade based, so I wouldn't want to speculate too much right now, because without OP this is nothing more than speculation. Let's give her some time to answer our questions.
Edit: The OP has said she is willing to verify via Audit and via API, so let's give her that chance, she has moved on a lot from October.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.14 14:37:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Feyloan
Edited by: Feyloan on 14/01/2008 14:32:17
Well, as long as the OP is not here, we can't do much. I've offered to Audit this, and no-one has opposed that offer with reasons of credibility or the such.
We need to get a Main posted and the API keys verified. One thing though, Anne is meant as being Science based, with the other being trade based, so I wouldn't want to speculate too much right now, because without OP this is nothing more than speculation. Let's give her some time to answer our questions.
Edit: The OP has said she is willing to verify via Audit and via API, so let's give her that chance, she has moved on a lot from October.
Thats fair if she reveals her main to an auditor, if that is going to be you and addresses questionable concerns otherwise.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.14 15:32:00 -
[54]
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I am not certain but i thought there was a period where new chars got that Market Black ops skill. I may be wrong but it does ring a bell. I remember people creating alts just to get that skill in case it became useful in the future.
This is correct
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Kushion
Anti Sweden Defense Force
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:17:00 -
[55]
Quote:
Considering the small amount to be gained by attacking the towers it is not likely anyone would bother
It is not likely anyone would bother? Apparently you haven't met many pirates before. :P
I can guarantee they will take notice and take action at some point. The big issue then becomes, can you defend it and still make a profit? Mercs are notoriously expensive. If it gets personal with the pirates, they'll attack you as long as it takes. Mercs will require a contract & payment every time you need defense. If you were in a big PVP alliance, or at least in a big corp that has a presence in the area, it might be different. As it stands, there isn't a financially feasible way to defend your POSs if a big pirate group takes notice.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.01.15 01:08:00 -
[56]
Well I have to say - hats off guys some impressive research going into this one.
Some of the points above certainly raise some serious questions, and it'll be interesting to see how the OP addresses these. Meanwhile, and without those character questions being raised, I have my concerns as to the mid to long term viability of the business itself.
The materials/components market is in a state of upheaval post-Trinity, with demand for components and therefore materials spiking with the release of the new T2 ships. Add to this some frenzied speculation and manipulation and you have a market that's very unpredictable right now. One thing isn't in doubt though - the shortage in materials and components has already led to a surge in materials reaction and component manufacture; alts have been made, POS chains have been erected, factory slots have been filled. At some point soon this extra supply is going to hit the market like a bit of a tidal wave. How big the wave is no-one can say with confidence, but it WILL happen. Supply and demand are cyclical, and the more violently any market moves direction, the more vulnerable it is to a major shift the other way.
For that reason primarily I'll be giving this one a miss. The market that the OP is planning to address could have a very different shape than it has today by the time that she gets there. Combined with the low-sec POS concerns already mentioned, it's a bit high risk for me.
Leo
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Anne Temple
Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:27:00 -
[57]
OK, sorry it took so long for me to reply, I had a post ready to go last night when the forums died and then had class today. I have read all the posts and will do my best to answer all the questions.
There seems to be a lot of concern over the lowsec POS operation. I admit this could potentially be expensive if losses occur but I also feel I can defend it and make it profitable. The investors do not seem to agree. I have done my best to explain my plans and people do not feel they will work so I am proposing a small change in the bond.
I will start interest payments on Monday, February 3, 2008. Anyone who owns a bond on that day will get 1k isk per bond. Bonds will reamain on sale until all 1million are in circulation. Atm I have sold about 300 mil worth of bonds with another 1.5bil pending. I will use this capital to continue my safe empire production activities and make the isk with that. If I make enough money to afford the POS project on my own I will do it and if it is successful the profits will be used to pay the bond. If it is not possible I wont do it, simple as that. I will make the bond the top priority for the corp and will not expand into other markets until I have the isk set aside for the bond payments.
This is my second attempt at a public investment project and I really want it to work. By keeping the pos project and the empire manufacturing (t2 comps or whatever seems to be profitable at the moment) I feel I can easily make a 10% return. I personally will not make as much money this way but it gives me a chance to show what I am capable of and at this point its just something I really want to have happen. There are a lot of questions directed at my credibility and I understand that, part of the reason I was so reluctant to reveal my main before was that I didn't feel she would really benefit me in gaining any reputation. Hopefully by opening the bond issue to anyone willing to give me a chance (which some already have) I will be able to raise more capital in the coming months.
It looks like most if not all of the concerns could be addressed by having an auditor in the corp, as I have said I am completely willing to do that but I would prefer the auditor have some stake in the corp. I paid to have the standings of the corp raised to anchor empire poses and have avoided agent missions so those standings do not get lost. I would be satisfied if the person auditing the corp had a sufficient amount of money invested to cover the loss of those standings, essentially the value of the corp itself. As far as the pos project goes I would like that person to have enough invested in the corp that they would not profit from revealing the location or internal secrets of the corp. For this reason I would prefer that the auditor invest a minimum of 1billion isk into the bond project, this is enough to satisfy me they are not trying to take advantage of me and so I can trust them with the access to the corp.
I have done everything I can to try and gain trust and confidence in my business. I have been met with more questions and more distrust. To be perfectly honest this is fairly discouraging. I understand that questions need to be asked and I have no problem answering them, as I have done many times already in this thread. I am committed to making this work, I have very little to offer beyond what I already have shown you. I will take what ISK I have been trusted with and do my best with it.
I have been upfront and honest with my plan and intend to do exactly what I said I would do. Anyone who invests in this bond will receive a 10% payment on their investment and in 6 months they will get the investment back. If I only get 300mil in investment then thats all I will pay back. I can make this business work and I plan to prove my capabilities.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:35:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Anne Temple
I have been upfront and honest with my plan and intend to do exactly what I said I would do. Anyone who invests in this bond will receive a 10% payment on their investment and in 6 months they will get the investment back. If I only get 300mil in investment then thats all I will pay back. I can make this business work and I plan to prove my capabilities.
I'm not sure I would call posting your character details without linking your API at the InEVE website, your skills cannot be verified because you are not having InEVE read your limited API so to be correct, no you have not been upfront.
Your main may not give you credibility, however I highly doubt your main will discredit you either. Is Dimitri your main? If so, please show us Dimitri's skills. You have shown us one alt and your current character your main is all that it would need better satisfy everybody else and I would appreciate you going back to InEVE and updating your character profiles with your API as APIs are foolproof verification.
If you don't believe me, look Trilori up in InEVE it reads from my API, do the same for us it is worth it.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:41:00 -
[59]
anne if your trying to gain "rep" and want things to work etc etc.
Might I suggest that you start over and only do a bond for the "phase 1" part of this plan. Once you get that rolling you can always do a second bond to inact "phase 2"
I might even suggest that you do them using two seperate "shell" corps so the bonds/shares can be easily distinguished and you can offer different returns on them as the risk of each indivdual part warrents.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:04:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Treelox
anne if your trying to gain "rep" and want things to work etc etc.
Might I suggest that you start over and only do a bond for the "phase 1" part of this plan. Once you get that rolling you can always do a second bond to inact "phase 2"
I might even suggest that you do them using two seperate "shell" corps so the bonds/shares can be easily distinguished and you can offer different returns on them as the risk of each indivdual part warrents.
Along with that provide some verifiable character data at InEVE here is my character data http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=OTg1NzY0NTQ4 it is verified yours are not without verification I would never touch you again.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:10:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Treelox
anne if your trying to gain "rep" and want things to work etc etc.
Might I suggest that you start over and only do a bond for the "phase 1" part of this plan. Once you get that rolling you can always do a second bond to inact "phase 2"
I might even suggest that you do them using two seperate "shell" corps so the bonds/shares can be easily distinguished and you can offer different returns on them as the risk of each indivdual part warrents.
Along with that provide some verifiable character data at InEVE here is my character data http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=OTg1NzY0NTQ4 it is verified yours are not without verification I would never touch you again.
Please remove my quote from this statement, cause I havent in any way asked for what you are asking for, I would hate for it to be attributed to me later for demanding such information.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:19:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Trilori on 15/01/2008 03:21:26
Originally by: Trilori
Along with that provide some verifiable character data at InEVE here is my character data http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=OTg1NzY0NTQ4 it is verified yours are not without verification I would never touch you again.
Originally by: "treelox"
Please remove my quote from this statement, cause I havent in any way asked for what you are asking for, I would hate for it to be attributed to me later for demanding such information.
I was just adding that she should do that if she does break it up into two bonds... but sure I can remove your quote no problem.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:21:00 -
[63]
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it.
Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:27:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Trilori on 15/01/2008 03:27:19
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it.
Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
I already knew that, well you have my findings... she has said nothing of Dimitri and won't say anything.
I have sent 100M, my fault my loss she isn't getting her shares back either even though I made the request for an even exchange she refused and would only exchange at 80%
This is a total writeoff for me, good luck thank you for your entertainment I have learned a lot about investigating and I continue to do so :)
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Taikun
Gallente
Serenity Prime
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:32:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Anne Temple
FAQ
Q: How do I know this isn't a scam?
A: There is never any way to be 100% certain but I am willing to do anything within reason to prove my trustworthiness.
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
Ricdic requests seemed to me to be 'within reason'.
Taikun
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:34:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: Anne Temple
FAQ
Q: How do I know this isn't a scam?
A: There is never any way to be 100% certain but I am willing to do anything within reason to prove my trustworthiness.
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
Ricdic requests seemed to me to be 'within reason'.
Taikun
I agree, but I don't think she knows that. And the only way to get in, is to prepurchase a large stake and if the auditor doesn't like what they see they can't get out without losing it all or they'll get out losing it all either way in two scenarios:
A) auditor doesn't like what they see and wants to exchange shares for isk again they will only get 80% losing 20% or
B) they just leave it in there like I will, and lose it all when it goes south.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:37:00 -
[67]
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it.
Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans!
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:40:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it.
Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans!
I'm not totally so sure about that, she did say she would only stick to hisec pos running and if she has enough leftover after being able to keep certain funds set aside for the IPO then she would use it for lowsec pos running.
That part doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the mains, and the fact her skills on InEVE are unverified I showed her an example of verified skills on my main.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:06:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/01/2008 04:06:54
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it.
Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans!
I'm not totally so sure about that, she did say she would only stick to hisec pos running and if she has enough leftover after being able to keep certain funds set aside for the IPO then she would use it for lowsec pos running.
That part doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the mains, and the fact her skills on InEVE are unverified I showed her an example of verified skills on my main.
She's refusing to do any of the fool-proof checks of what she claims about her characters and won't let Ricdic do any sort of auditing without him investing billions. That screams scam, honestly anyone that refuses to allow Ricdic something so simple as API access should not be trusted with public funds.
Then there's the whole issue of low sec reactors which the OP clearly was not prepared for and the sketchyness of her canceling that part of the IPO yet maintaining the amount and interest of the bond. That seriously worries me but that's just a feeling. I've lent billions to people with no collateral based on my gut and I've passed up double digit interest on little more than that feeling and it has yet to bite me in the ass so I put quite a lot of stock into it but that's just me. I may be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in my life but if you want my opinion, this thing makes my gut clinch.
For now at least, my "feelings" are irrelevant as the OP is refusing to satisfy some basic questions about her main....
PS What happened to the character count? How the hell does CCP keep breaking such simple stuff?
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:12:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 15/01/2008 04:06:54
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I have spoken with Anne about disclosing some information. Limited/Full API access has been denied as he/she doesn't want it in my possession. Main name is also denied as I am not a large investor (well not at all).
So basically I haven't recieved anything whatsoever to help determine the validity of this corporation. The great part, is the only way to do a pre-purchase audit on the corporation is to first buy a large chunk of it.
Anyway, thats my report. It looks completely crap but I wasn't given much room to work with. Anne feels the bond will sell out based on its existing merits so I will let him go in that direction.
So she doesn't trust Ebank, won't explain the inconsistencies in her "main" and has abandoned Phase 2 as a bad idea but will still take the full 10B bond at the same percentage then somehow run the reactors anyways...I declare shenanigans!
I'm not totally so sure about that, she did say she would only stick to hisec pos running and if she has enough leftover after being able to keep certain funds set aside for the IPO then she would use it for lowsec pos running.
That part doesn't bother me, what bothers me is the mains, and the fact her skills on InEVE are unverified I showed her an example of verified skills on my main.
She's refusing to do any of the fool-proof checks of what she claims about her characters and won't let Ricdic do any sort of auditing without him investing billions. That screams scam, honestly anyone that refuses to allow Ricdic something so simple as API access should not be trusted with public funds.
Then there's the whole issue of low sec reactors which the OP clearly was not prepared for and the sketchyness of her canceling that part of the IPO yet maintaining the amount and interest of the bond. That seriously worries me but that's just a feeling. I've lent billions to people with no collateral based on my gut and I've passed up double digit interest on little more than that feeling and it has yet to bite me in the ass so I put quite a lot of stock into it but that's just me. I may be wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in my life but if you want my opinion, this thing makes my gut clinch.
For now at least, my "feelings" are irrelevant as the OP is refusing to satisfy some basic questions about her main....
PS What happened to the character count? How the hell does CCP keep breaking such simple stuff?
Well the part that bothers me is the fact she refuses to verify her main and alts. Yes she disclosed her alts via InEVE but they are not verifiable... for all we know those skills could be inaccurate.
Yeah I noticed the character count broke earlier today... hence my stupid double post as you saw on page 2.
I'm with you Kwint, but I lost a small piddly amount over it.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:58:00 -
[71]
After discussing and having an argument with the OP these are my findings:
After researching her past employment experience which she dismisses or denies and has not bothered to include. She was a member of PZI, according to Anne's OP skills were aquired on her own.
She did an IPO in October of 2007, and a poster in that thread had questioned Dimitri Graber and she acknowledged that it was one of her characters however failed to mention Dimitri in this IPO thread and does not acknowledge request for information about this character who is the APEX CEO for this IPO nor does she acknowledge her main even to a 3rd party who was willing to look into it without prebuying a large stake in her IPO.
Anne indicated that APEX "WAS" an alt corporation, and when asked about this she said it was not an alt corporation and there were no corporations prior, her employment history does not clearly indicate this. As I mentioned before she was a member of PZI according to her employment history, although APEX was formed much later than PZI I would hardly call APEX an alt corp unless she is hiding something if that were the case.
PZI was trading on the EGSEx exchange some time ago and has closed shop. The business plan of APEX and PZI are similar to a degree; PZI was running lowsec and I believe to my knowledge from reading archived threads that they also ran hisec POS as well.
My findings as shown indicate several discreptencies that I was able to find, which I am sure you have either found or have found beyond my findings which may or may not be able to satisfy you.
I fully endorse my findings based on the facts I have obtained, you will see my indications of certain findings in my previous posts in this thread on page which contain opinions as well 2. However I do not endorse my opinions nor anyone elses, opinions are not facts and are to be ambiguous and are only to be taken for informational/entertainment value.
I thank you for letting me serve the EVE community, good day.
/sign off.
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Oliver Snow
Perizene Technology Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.01.15 05:17:00 -
[72]
I have been watching this thread for some time. I had planned to stay out of it but I would like to take the opportunity to say that this venture has nothing at all to do with PZI. Yes the OP's main was in PZI for a short time as a result of a recruitment drive some time ago. This does not mean that what she choses to do with an alt corp several months later has anything at all to do with PZI or its IPO.
There is no lack of documentation on these forums about what the PZI IPO did or why it closed, please do your homework before questioning my corporation's integrity or suggesting its involvement in something.
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Shuan Jedai
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.15 10:06:00 -
[73]
Heh. Everything depended on her reply - did she answer the direct, difficult questions and actually work with the potential investors ?
Instead we got load of ambiguous bs. Add that to the reluctancy to prove that there is actually working business, even if the main is actually main, first post talking about 'great demand for bonds' (send ISK fast!), big fast first buy (get the thing rollin'), scrapping half of the bond plan - the one which held almost everyone back - still keeping the sum the same with same returns..
Too many coincidences. Good luck with the bond, I certainly won't be investing.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 10:53:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Oliver Snow
I have been watching this thread for some time.
Thanks for the post Oliver. When helping Trilori do his research we thought you may not be in Eve any more. It's good to see you are still around. I don't believe Trilori's questioning was there to demote PZI in any way as we had it quite convincingly determined that PZI had closed peacefully.
The beef Trilori had was that the OP hadn't mentioned it, used it as a refernce or a learning experience etc.
Now that you are here Oliver, could you provide any information for or against the OP to help us determine their viability (ie was the OP in control of PZI towers, fuel, assets etc?). Any positive or negative experiences you have recieved with the OP can help in this determination.
Good to see you around,
Ricdic.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2008.01.15 11:05:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Dr Slurm on 15/01/2008 11:05:46
Originally by: Dr Slurm
I've been following this thread since it was posted. I don't plan on investing, but I thought I would note that the posts I have read from Anne Temple are well spoken and thought out. Which is quite the opposite of other recent IPO's/bonds. She also seems to handle criticism better, too.
There's probably a lesson to be learned from this. Just because it looks good and sounds nice doesn't mean it is.
It would be nice to see the OP be honest about the questions that have been raised, but that's not very likely.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.15 12:10:00 -
[76]
Here's my findings... nothing much different than I said before, though.
Korami Nagema is in fact not the OPs main, but another alt of a real, undisclosed main. (thereby making the "Full disclosure of main and alts" part of the post, and in my eyes this whole thing, a lie and fraud) All of the characters mentioned or found are as good as unskilled alts in my opinion until an API verified page on inEVE.net is provided showing otherwise. (I looked into the Black Market Trading skill I mentioned before and there was indeed a time when it was given to new characters, though I didn't find the when, if it was a certain bloodline/career/faction/whatever... maybe someone else remembers. Whether or not that's legit or an "oops" made by the OP when making up an unverfied skillset remains to be seen)
I believe the Dimitri character to be inconsequencial, merely an alt with a few quick Corporation Management skills trained up and acting just as a character to hold the CEO position.
The OP asked to be compensated for any corporation standings loss if an auditor alt was to be allowed into the corporation, but a fresh alt with no standings wouldn't effect any standings at all.
On the subject of standings, none of the characters, including the "main" that the OP has disclosed have any standings with anyone at all. Kinda hard to get anything at all done in EVE without getting a point of standings with anyone at all at some point, which of course leads me to say it's pretty much fact that there is an undisclosed real main somewhere out there.
This whole thing is definetly shady in the worst way, and I still stick by my earlier shenanigans calling.
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Posted - 2008.01.15 13:30:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Feyloan on 15/01/2008 13:30:13
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
The OP asked to be compensated for any corporation standings loss if an auditor alt was to be allowed into the corporation, but a fresh alt with no standings wouldn't effect any standings at all.
Was about to say the same thing, I was offering to help because Ricdic said there was no way he was going to do it. I have not been replied to here or in-game so far, even though my offer quite clearly states a purpose created alt, which means no standings.
Also, Anne, I am also definately not putting in 1 bill to have the "priviledge" of auditing, I would be doing this on behalf of the forum, which if proved that this is all legit, will get you a hell of a lot of funding, as things stand, doesn't look good.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Oliver Snow
I have been watching this thread for some time. I had planned to stay out of it but I would like to take the opportunity to say that this venture has nothing at all to do with PZI. Yes the OP's main was in PZI for a short time as a result of a recruitment drive some time ago. This does not mean that what she choses to do with an alt corp several months later has anything at all to do with PZI or its IPO.
There is no lack of documentation on these forums about what the PZI IPO did or why it closed, please do your homework before questioning my corporation's integrity or suggesting its involvement in something.
I only indicated she was in PZI and that PZI had similar operations, I never stated that they were coincidentally equally both the same or that each other had to do with it I just merely stated FACTS that she omitted important to the investors.
I was told you were out of the game, but it does please me to see that you have confirmed such. Maybe we can chat ingame?
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Apex Research
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Posted - 2008.01.16 04:16:00 -
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I have provided my full API information to Ricdic who has offered to go over the business. He will provide an update in the next day or so about what he finds out.
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Posted - 2008.01.16 07:03:00 -
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This has gotten... interesting. Wonder what ricdic will report?
Regardless, there are simply too many "concidences" and Anne is keeping quiet on too many important things for me to considering investing anything.
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Parvo Universalis
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Posted - 2008.01.16 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
I am not certain but I thought there was a period where new chars got that Black Market Trading skill. I may be wrong but it does ring a bell. I remember people creating alts just to get that skill in case it became useful in the future.
This is correct.
Pretty much. The skill was available for quite some time (at least two years, maybe more) to selected (i.e., not all) career paths at pilot creation only.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:31:00 -
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since when is pyramid quoting against the rules, I'm still reporting you mitnal! STOP being an ******!!!
this guy has gone off like an APE!
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
since when is pyramid quoting against the rules, I'm still reporting you mitnal! STOP being an ******!!!
this guy has gone off like an APE!
Since about 3 and a half days ago for the who forums, it used to only be a CAOD thing. Now though its all forums.
PROOF
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:38:00 -
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ohh btw tril that would esentially be discussing moderation your last post, send the mods a love email they love that, but they get uppity when you discuss such things on the forums.
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Trilori
Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Edited by: Treelox on 17/01/2008 08:36:40
Originally by: Trilori
since when is pyramid quoting against the rules, I'm still reporting you mitnal! STOP being an ******!!!
this guy has gone off like an APE!
Since about 3 and a half days ago for the entire forums, it used to only be a CAOD thing. Now though its all forums.
PROOF
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changed one word for better sentence structure.
wtf is pyramid quoting anyway? Who the heck comes up with all these stupid terms? Besides, if they don't like pyramid quoting whatever the heck then they shouldn't offer the feature I mean c'mon... don't leave it there if you don't like it! :P
Well true it is talking about moderation, let them bite they'll get bit back extremely hard.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 21:35:00 -
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Pyramid quoting is the repeated use of the quote button to end up with an overly long quote of numerous users.
Check this post for further details - here
Pyramid quoting is basic netiquette and whilst it has been a problem in other forums, specifically CAOD, this does not exclude it as a ruling in other forums.
Discussing moderation can be bad for your posting health, I advise that if you do have problems with this to mail [email protected] to speak to my immediate bosses who can advise you on any further action you wish to take.
Remember, with the report a post function, this is not necesarily something that we community representatives have decided to clamp down on by ourselves. There are potentially over 200,000 users and posting in such a style may annoy some of them.
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Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.17 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 17/01/2008 21:50:20
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Pyramid quoting is the repeated use of the quote button to end up with an overly long quote of numerous users.
Check this post for further details - here
Pyramid quoting is basic netiquette and whilst it has been a problem in other forums, specifically CAOD, this does not exclude it as a ruling in other forums.
Discussing moderation can be bad for your posting health, I advise that if you do have problems with this to mail [email protected] to speak to my immediate bosses who can advise you on any further action you wish to take.
Remember, with the report a post function, this is not necesarily something that we community representatives have decided to clamp down on by ourselves. There are potentially over 200,000 users and posting in such a style may annoy some of them.
Respectfully, why are you in our thread? There wasn't a serious issue, we were having a civil discussion and there was nothing forum breaking going on which is, as I understand it, the rational behind banning pyramid quoting. I appreciate that you are trying to clean up the forums but why are you here in MD when CAOD is such a disaster?
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Caldari
GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.18 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Trilori on 18/01/2008 13:06:47
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Pyramid quoting is the repeated use of the quote button to end up with an overly long quote of numerous users.
Check this post for further details - here
Pyramid quoting is basic netiquette and whilst it has been a problem in other forums, specifically CAOD, this does not exclude it as a ruling in other forums.
Discussing moderation can be bad for your posting health, I advise that if you do have problems with this to mail [email protected] to speak to my immediate bosses who can advise you on any further action you wish to take.
Remember, with the report a post function, this is not necesarily something that we community representatives have decided to clamp down on by ourselves. There are potentially over 200,000 users and posting in such a style may annoy some of them.
then remove the stupid feature if YOU don't like it.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.18 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kushion
This has gotten... interesting. Wonder what ricdic will report?
Assuming of course that the OP wasn't lying about it.
Though Ricdic said he couldn't be arsed to bother with this, though.
Lack of any confirmation says the OP is probably full of it, to no surprise.
But eh... all these loan request FOTMs are getting kinda boring now.
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Posted - 2008.02.24 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Bunsen
Edited by: Professor Bunsen on 14/01/2008 10:45:29
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Do you currently have the skills to operate the POS guns manually, and if so, would you be willing to show this with an in-eve.net profile?
Also, a few curiousities... the character Korami Nagema is a touch over a year old, not 10 months, and if in fact that's your real main and was a new character to the game, I find it odd that you went from new character to being in a player corp within half an hour of joining EVE, according to employment history. Most new players are still figuring out how to undock for the tutorial at that point, let alone have spent enough time to chat with someone enough to warrant joining a corp and have the know-how to get to a specific station to put in an application.
Look at the "main" skillsheet, selected 3 perception, but has cybernetics to 4 and a set of +4's as a 7mil SP char, then went straight into a career as a researcher. If you're thinking of investing, keep reading Minerva's post this until the urge goes away The "main" is almost certainly an alt, and if that's so Anne Temple is a liar, and that's all you need to know really.
no dividends paid, looking to certainly be a total scam. oh well. 
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.24 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Caray
no dividends paid, looking to certainly be a total scam. oh well.
You mean we were right? Shocking....
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Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Harry Caray
no dividends paid, looking to certainly be a total scam. oh well.
You mean we were right? Shocking....
yeah, unbelievable huh. may anne temple rot in hell!
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.02.24 12:17:00 -
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If only someone could have looked at the facts of the matter and seen this coming!
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.24 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
If only someone could have looked at the facts of the matter and seen this coming!
In Anne's favour he is only 2 days late. Having said that, I am not overly confident he will show.
And I agree, I was so blindsighted by this!
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