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shekat khlorblaster
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Posted - 2008.01.14 23:35:00 -
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Infiltration of corps by undesirables, happens a lot these days.. its pathetic and unnecesarry. thats what locator agents and war deks are for.. play the game ...find your targets and fight them.. dont be LASY n do it the easy way by toying with peoples trust and friendship.
It all sounds funny till you get a fr8ter popped . Or get your ship / gang / fleet intel leaked. n then you find that someone who you thought of as a friend really hates you enough to do this to you (because its fun!). A corp member you have spent time flying with building a friendship with ...to find out they are a dirty spy nasty infilTRATOR. who is ready to stab you in the back for FUN! Who can call that fun!
Those that do this are nothing but emotional muggers and should be ashamed of what you regard as fun... i hope their mothers are unaware of this for shame on them..
pretending to be nice to people to win a small part of a big game is very sad and people who do this are sad and depressing.
Trust is important to eve ... no corp can survive without it and no allience will ether...we will just end up with thousands of 1 man corps and hundreds of 1 man alliences...because no one will trust anyone. (with a hint of sarcasm i say "yeay that would be soo much better ...not")
People like that will only end up friendless as no one can trust them to be a friend...the only friends they will have will be those who would job them in a heart beat ( a very lonley and paranoid life).
so they can sit alone on their pc sqrewing with people for fun ... leading to people not wanting to play with them at all ( not to mention this sort of thing can spill into their real life , habbitual lying ect) its a desease and they are infected, possibly perminantly turning them into preganat fish.
this game is good but underhanded tactics like this i cannot in good faith, condone..
eve is supposed to be a game! Fun Game for all! its a good way to make friend across the world and to get to know other cultures. and you get to shoot at each other or build stuff mission ect (you can be frends but still be on opposing teams)
Using this kind of tacktic actualy shows that they are able to use People and has no bearing on how well they can play the game. anyone can lie n cheat. There is plenty of things to do in eve, id rather watch paint dry.. or go missioning or generally go roam around. rather that spend my life hurting peoples feelings in real life!.
worse thing is people actually brag about it on forums ...thinking they are being all cool and clever...LMAO they just look to me like sad muppets, that are such blatently pants at playing eve they have to play like this . And they are silly enough to blast it to the whole world LMAO
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:21:00 -
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 Originally by: shekat khlorblaster
You are lame because you don't play the game my way!
Thanks for your input. We will all stop unwanted/unwarranted hostile acts immediately to appease you.
Did you lose your registration key for Bejeweled 2? Why are you here? Can you explain your random capitalization of words in your post for me? Thanks.
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 15/01/2008 00:40:15
Originally by: shekat khlorblaster
Stuff. And dumb stuff at that.
EvE is not threatened by corp spies. Neither are most corps. Scams, spies, and etc have been going on for years, and guess what? We have the biggest subscriber base yet, the biggest corps since EvE began, etc.
Props to TRAPS. You guys are pretty classy. I'm a carebear myself, but if I ever PvP, I may apply.
EDIT: I suppose I should define "classy". To me, it means keeping your word and honoring what you say. If "classy" to you means "not killing anythign that didn't want to die", you'll probably disagree with me.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.01.15 00:40:00 -
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Keep in mind, this isn't standard operation procedure for us. Actually Arc did this all on his own and we as a corp fully supported him.
It worked out well. We got to pop his freighter, scoop some loot and to me, the funniest part of it is the ******** CEO didn't even send a warning email to the corp about the spy, so Arc's alt was able to keep killing corp members.
This CEO basically recruits newbie miners en masse and fleeces them with mineral purchases way below market value under the pretense of "do it for the good of the corp".
I had at least 10+ people from his corp talk to me in game about him. About how he left the corp hanging the last time TRAPS dec'd them and about how he milks all the new players and such.
Hell, we even had a member or two from his corp join our corp and go to the dark side. 
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Kessiaan
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Posted - 2008.01.15 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 15/01/2008 02:31:22
Grats. CI was my first corp. I think TRAPS did me a favor then (and now) by showing why NOT to be in a totally carebear (i.e. defenseless) highsec industrial corp.
That said I think you just killed the Verge Vender salvage and mineral markets for a while  , CI is/was/will be again one of the biggest buyers up there. Good thing I'm moving out to 0.0 this week.
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Windjammer
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:41:00 -
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The OP put the time in, had a decent plan and a responsive team he could draw on. It is worth noting that he didn't do it for isk. That much effort for such a small amount would otherwise be a waste.
I wish I could congratulate him, but I cannot do so in good faith. Trading on the trust of others in order to slide the blackened blade in while they sleep just hits the wrong button. Such a tactic should be reserved for those one truly hates. It goes far beyond the loss of isk and travels into betrayal. Look to your corp mates, Arcuied, and ask yourself, "which of them will do the same to me?" You've shown them you don't mind the betrayal, so everything will be fine when they do. Right?
Windjammer
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Celestal
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:18:00 -
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all that work for 400-500 mill ?
maybe u shuda spent that time doing lev 2 missions ?
wuda saved us the time reading abour your e-peen stretching
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.01.15 05:54:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Celestal
all that work for 400-500 mill ?
maybe u shuda spent that time doing lev 2 missions ?
wuda saved us the time reading abour your e-peen stretching
Maybe you should read the post. It wasn't about money gained, it was about time, money and effort lost on their part with a fairly minimal effort on his.
Oh and try posting with a main at least.
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Malcurth Deathmind
Gallente
Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.01.15 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: shekat khlorblaster
Blah blah?
Pssssssssst... hey buddy.. I think your corp channel's bugged! Ya might wanna, ya know, stop using it? Jussa thought. Maybe not. I forgot. Maybe you should get some secure channels, ya knows? I only have, like, 7 closed comm channels goin. And a few open ones too. Fer ****z and giggles.
..... HIIIII NEXA!!!! *^_^*
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Ovek
Gallente
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.15 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ovek
This.
I don't understand how this is a big thing, surely anyone with even a second of a brain could do this and find a dumbfounded industry corp with more freighters to do it too(resulting in more money made and thus being more successful).
Did he litter your forum space with his thread about corps you don't know about?
I litter as i want and when i please.
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Barashi Nugan
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nexa Necis
Hell, we even had a member or two from his corp join our corp and go to the dark side.
True story.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2008.01.17 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ilea Celentay on 17/01/2008 06:05:54
While it was well done, and obviously profitable, I don't think that an act like that take all that much skill, of course, ignoring the simple fact that the Freighter cannot shoot back, and that its evident that the corporation to which the Freighter pilot belonged to didn't really work as a team.
Again, well done on getting a good, profitable kill.
But, at least in my opinion, a better story involves some risk on your part, not simply something that almost anyone (with no heart  ) can pull off.
Also, not that I don't think TRAPS makes up the stories about their war targets CEO being players that capitalise on new miners, but is it just me or when something like this happens involving TRAPS they always have a heart warming "the CEO is bad" story all rolled out?
(I have to admit, that I have not been part of my usual pirating life as of late - therefore, I might come across somewhat more carebare like then I would normally)
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 06:18:00 -
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I thought CI was cruel intentions you know those guys with the motherships
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.01.17 06:24:00 -
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Well if you read my last story on CAES you will see numerous quotes from CAES players who bash the CEO for being a leech and lackluster leader.
You can ask Barashi about it since he was in CAES at the time we dec'd them last.
I think it's also evident from the random recruiting style, where everyone is accepted and spam emails are sent out on a regular basis. You will also notice a lack of long term players, as I have only seen 2 active players that have been members for more than 6 months.
I mean, c'mon, he loses a freighter, he knows there's a ne'er do well spy in corp, what's he do? Warn them? No, he laughs and logs out. Leaving everyone to their own fate.
I can't help my poor opinion of some of the CEO's we meet. Honestly the main way I form my opinion is from conversations with their corpmates. We recently war dec'd a corp for an insane amount of smack talk and slander, and once the war email goes out the CEO convoes me to ask why, I explain it. The next few days, every time I kill someone, they convo me asking why we dec'd them. I ask if their CEO said anything about it, they all say "nope". I say well I offered him a surrender fee of 150mil, and they say "Man I wish I knew that before you blew up my uninsured BS. That's such a small fee! Now I'm ****ed!"
I get those conversations quite often. So either I'm lying about it or they're lying about it and really, neither one of us has anything to gain from lying about it. I wouldn't be able to write these goofy stories without these people doing goofy crap when we interact with them.
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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
I thought CI was cruel intentions you know those guys with the motherships
Diving into the post - I also thought they were reffering to CI, and thought to myself that this might be an explanation as to what has happened to CI (Cruel Intentions) over the past Month or so.
As for the Op described, Congrats. Freighters log off to avoid PvP - therefore it is very difficult to catch one using standard tactics. When I first heard of this hit and saw the killmail, I was thinking that you had volunteered as an escort/scout and turned on him - but this is much more interesting as revolving around the timing of the attack.
Congrats, and if you find that you don't need that salvage - I'd gladly take it off your hands. 
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Kohaku Tan
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Posted - 2008.01.17 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kohaku Tan on 17/01/2008 22:05:52
Lame
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Arcuied
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.01.17 22:25:00 -
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Well now its been a little while - and I have finaly gotten out of work at some humane hour here is a little summing up of what happened.
Events:
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When the freighter went pop we joked a little with Johar'an about it and he was a good sport and took it on the chin. He went and logged without so much as telling his corp members about what happened. I had a free hand and went hunting more. While most where docked I found a couple of juicy targets.
Running 15j I tried to take out a hulk - but I was unlucky - as I waited for a warpin he went and docked in the system I was in - he jumped before I could warp to snag him at gate.
Next I went to join Traps - and found a drake outside station - locked and scrammed - he docked. After asking him in local if he could test my tank (or lack of it) he undocked and he tested it. I tested his and found it to be quite inferior . Went and podded him too.
Logging for the night I wrote up the first post - and went to work on the first post in this thread.
A bit later Jotar'an logged back on and faced with angry mails in corp he declared me a spy. About 6 or more h too late.......
Next day I decided to spend some more time productively and fragged an afk badger + pod - not too much trouble. Corp chat was full of angry words as expected - but no attempt to counter.
As I roamed through highsec looking for them - no attemt to organise and counter me was made - when someone used the isk excuse - I sent them some to get another ship - which was put to use straight away - mining in the same system I had just fragged the guy in.
Next I switched to a crow to attempt to get some engagemnts - no such luck. Was told in corp that spending maybe half a day learn ECM skills was "********" as they have 30 day skill plans and those don't cover defending themselves from hostiles. Well they didn't cover me camping their bs into a station using a ceptor either I guess.
After chasing a couple into lowsec - where even then their drake docked up when faced with a crow I paid one guy a visit. He was careful - and had a lot to lose - he was in a Cruor and running a plex. I attempted to jump him twice but was too slow as he docked up. However after 5 mins he seemingly forgot about me and went back to ratting/salvaging - this time in a belt.
I was rather dissapointed when I saw he was in a catalyst. He only shot back when in structure - and then got my crow into low shield - a good job considering he was the only pilot to fight back. When I opened his wreak - it was like christmas all over again. A shadow serpentis mag stab and nice named rails. I took the mag stab and left laughing........ a little later I posted the mail - and saw: 2 salvage rigs and a CCC - on a CATALYST.
After that they kicked me out.
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Analysis:
Caesarri Industries is a classic victim corp - filled with people who won't even consider defending themselves. Even with a newbie fc - or none at all - they should have been able to counter 1 gank raven - and esp a crow - but they chose not to. To sit docked, logged or undocked and ripe for the picking. Solo, unco-ordinated and unprepared.
All my nudges to get a gang to counter me were ignored with silly whines and insults.
If I was ever killed like that - in a freighter - first thing I would do is get a gang - even of newbies - together and hunt down the guy. They had all the tools needed, - even to track me real time enough guns too - they didn't.
To any CI members hiding behind the alts - I reccomend thinking about your role and what you are doing in that corp - maybe look for one that bites back, instead of one where the CEO is docked in Kisogo for 2 days straight trying to recruit newbs which promptly get ignored - as he doesnt participate in ops.......
Replies:
Salvage all sold, still working on the mega.....
Sorry for messing up name w Cruel - thought name in subject would be clear enough
Covert operative/High Risk hauler
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Morticia Sable
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:23:00 -
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One of the many reasons my freighter pilot is in a noob corp. Sad, but thats the way it is.
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2008.01.19 22:30:00 -
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its a nice story.
altough this one person got flamed for it, ill mention it again:
it would have been so much cooler if it was done only with social engineering and without alts.
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Spank MeHu
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Posted - 2008.01.19 23:07:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Seems pretty lame... But good job.
/me really really loves Leilani Solaris sig and give it the official thumbs up!
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Seems pretty lame... But good job.
Was thinking the same, but considering who the target is, I'm happy they managed to get him.
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SEYKACHU
Amarr
Occasus Legio
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Posted - 2008.02.15 09:41:00 -
[52]
Edited by: SEYKACHU on 15/02/2008 09:42:26
The reason you offer a small surrender fee is so that corps will question their CEOS :)
Its standard psychological warfare.
Has members question their leader in most cases unless lead is strong . Yes !?
This assures u victory in either case as you either gain the ISK or the loot from a doubting corp.
Ur all biz
Originally by: Nexa Necis
Well if you read my last story on CAES you will see numerous quotes from CAES players who bash the CEO for being a leech and lackluster leader.
You can ask Barashi about it since he was in CAES at the time we dec'd them last.
I think it's also evident from the random recruiting style, where everyone is accepted and spam emails are sent out on a regular basis. You will also notice a lack of long term players, as I have only seen 2 active players that have been members for more than 6 months.
I mean, c'mon, he loses a freighter, he knows there's a ne'er do well spy in corp, what's he do? Warn them? No, he laughs and logs out. Leaving everyone to their own fate.
I can't help my poor opinion of some of the CEO's we meet. Honestly the main way I form my opinion is from conversations with their corpmates. We recently war dec'd a corp for an insane amount of smack talk and slander, and once the war email goes out the CEO convoes me to ask why, I explain it. The next few days, every time I kill someone, they convo me asking why we dec'd them. I ask if their CEO said anything about it, they all say "nope". I say well I offered him a surrender fee of 150mil, and they say "Man I wish I knew that before you blew up my uninsured BS. That's such a small fee! Now I'm ****ed!"
I get those conversations quite often. So either I'm lying about it or they're lying about it and really, neither one of us has anything to gain from lying about it. I wouldn't be able to write these goofy stories without these people doing goofy crap when we interact with them.
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Dianeces
Minmatar
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.15 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: SEYKACHU
The reason you offer a small surrender fee is so that corps will question their CEOS :)
Its standard psychological warfare.
Has members question their leader in most cases unless lead is strong . Yes !?
This assures u victory in either case as you either gain the ISK or the loot from a doubting corp.
Ur all biz
I don't think you "get" TRAPS.
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Karlemgne
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arcuied
As most readers of eve-pirate know there is a lot of bad blood between CI and TRAPS - I won't go into that now.
Short version:
After 3 weeks infiltrating and gaining the trust of CI and their members I killed their CEO in a freighter.
Long version:
It all started off when I was camping a gate on my main - in TRAPS - and saw Johar'an Caesarri cruise past in his freighter and thought - "wouldn't it be fun if I could kill him". A couple of months later and having too much isk I got a gtc and reactivated an old account I had.
1 day and a couple of mails later I was into CI - simple enough. The next 3 weeks I spent training the basics of siege raven operations and I had it all planned out on EFT. Another week of training and I would have been ready. BUT!
On an alt I did a agent locate on Johar'an for giggles - and saw he was in Cistuvaert - so hopped in my crow and payed him a visit. In system I bought a freight scanner. He undocked when I did - and saw he was brimming with loot.
He warped to a nearby system - then came back, then out, then back - strange...... but anyways........
Time was off the essence and so I moved my spy all the way from near Jita to Ourslag (I never remember the real name) in a pod. There I bought the 1kdps monster I would use for the kill:
6X Siege Launcher II - filled with rage torps, 2X 50w neuts
100mn mwd II, 1X Disruptor II, 2X Fleeting web, 2X Sensor booster
2X Cap power relay and 3X BCU II
3X Ogre 1
Cap power relays instead of PDU's as none were on market.
Having informed my other corpies they rushed over - and got ready for the feast. After I warped the raven to the Cist gate in Aletene I asked to scan his cargo. He was gone and instead of heading to that system - he jumped straight into me. BIG mistake.
Activating my mwd, disruptor and torps I steamed towards him at full speed...... bad idea......... I bounced out 30km or so due to the now gigantic mass of the freighters. Thank god for heat. I crised back into within 1km and in under 3 mins it was all over. My corp members sat about protecting/grabbing the loot. No one made screenies ><
So, ah... great story and all and grats on the kill, but I'm puzzled by something. So your target was a Freighter, correct? I mean I see how you killed other ships so this might not be such a big deal to anyone else, but... uhh...
Why exactly, if you were kitting to take out a Freighter, would you fit energy neuts? You do realize that Freighters can't fit any mods, don't you? Using an energy neutralizer (or two) on one only serves to kill your cap and your tank.
-Karlemgne
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.16 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
So, ah... great story and all and grats on the kill, but I'm puzzled by something. So your target was a Freighter, correct? I mean I see how you killed other ships so this might not be such a big deal to anyone else, but... uhh...
Why exactly, if you were kitting to take out a Freighter, would you fit energy neuts? You do realize that Freighters can't fit any mods, don't you? Using an energy neutralizer (or two) on one only serves to kill your cap and your tank.
-Karlemgne
Welcome to game mechanics introduced months ago AND multiple posts earlier in the thread.
The neutralizers were offlined and placed between the launchers. Why? They act as heat sinks with respect to overloading. You get more damage longer by having them there.
I can understand if this was a 50-page threadnaught, but it's not. It's two pages long. At least learn to read if you can't learn to play and think outside the box a little bit.
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Karlemgne
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2008.02.16 07:05:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Karlemgne on 16/02/2008 07:06:26
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Karlemgne
So, ah... great story and all and grats on the kill, but I'm puzzled by something. So your target was a Freighter, correct? I mean I see how you killed other ships so this might not be such a big deal to anyone else, but... uhh...
Why exactly, if you were kitting to take out a Freighter, would you fit energy neuts? You do realize that Freighters can't fit any mods, don't you? Using an energy neutralizer (or two) on one only serves to kill your cap and your tank.
-Karlemgne
Welcome to game mechanics introduced months ago AND multiple posts earlier in the thread.
The neutralizers were offlined and placed between the launchers. Why? They act as heat sinks with respect to overloading. You get more damage longer by having them there.
I can understand if this was a 50-page threadnaught, but it's not. It's two pages long. At least learn to read if you can't learn to play and think outside the box a little bit.
Please, if you don't mind, quote me where this was said. Granted I didn't read all of the wordy boasting about how someone used an alt to scam someone else. These stories are, as others have so rightly pointed out, a dime-a-dozen in this little world we call eve.
As for learning how to play, well, I suppose you're right. We all know about the epic skills of eve university.  So I bow to your destroyers of doom.
-Karlemgne
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Karlemgne
Flying Under the Influence
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Posted - 2008.02.16 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Karlemgne
So, ah... great story and all and grats on the kill, but I'm puzzled by something. So your target was a Freighter, correct? I mean I see how you killed other ships so this might not be such a big deal to anyone else, but... uhh...
Why exactly, if you were kitting to take out a Freighter, would you fit energy neuts? You do realize that Freighters can't fit any mods, don't you? Using an energy neutralizer (or two) on one only serves to kill your cap and your tank.
-Karlemgne
Welcome to game mechanics introduced months ago AND multiple posts earlier in the thread.
The neutralizers were offlined and placed between the launchers. Why? They act as heat sinks with respect to overloading. You get more damage longer by having them there.
I can understand if this was a 50-page threadnaught, but it's not. It's two pages long. At least learn to read if you can't learn to play and think outside the box a little bit.
Please, if you don't mind, quote me where this was said. Granted I didn't read all of the wordy boasting about how someone used an alt to scam someone else. These stories are, as others have so rightly pointed out, a dime-a-dozen in this little world we call eve. Even if you're correct, sir, I still would question the logic of using named items for this purpose over tech 1. But who am I to argue with someone as l33t in the ways of eve as yourself?
As for learning how to play, well, I suppose you're right. We all know about the epic skills of eve university, and your own super l33tness. So I bow to your destroyers of doom.
-Karlemgne
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