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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:47:00 -
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This is the one and only reason I do not plan on getting one as my endgame. If I get one Kirjava becomes mothership bound till I either get another charecter trained up or it dies. As I assume the nerf has happened, would it be asking too much to allow peeps to put them into storage on occasion and let loose their HAC and a myriad of other fun toys?
I have never piloted one, my view is from the perspective of someone considering one. If this is truely gamebreaking then tell me, I am not suggesting that Titans be dockable just motherships, Titans deserve to never dock.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:55:00 -
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On Titans v Motherships, MS are from what I have seen used as bigger carriers or in medium sized gang (approx 15 people) pvp in lowsec. A Titan is another thing entirely, they are used to bathe battlefields with splash damage and move armadas around.
On trust, they are worth 15-16B in minerals, 19B to buy. Would you trust someone with that much if you knew they could fly it and weren't filthy rich? Theres also the fact of brag rights to a noob who manages to bump it out and kill it, regardless of the fact it was allied. AFAIK, the thing that made MS the ferocious beasts they are legendary for has been removed, so it being dockable (if I were a MS pilot allready) would have been a halfway acceptable compromise.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Westly Synpaimo
you can launch a pos for your own us and not corp use you know.
This is a new development if its true....
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian I don't think that this is a good idea. As it is it keeps them to being what their supposed to be (at least for the most part): An alliance tool. If you want to keep it safe then you need to have the resources to do that by setting up a POS with the appropriate storage facilities, and the means with which to defend them.
I have never seen (well, been killed by one) on an alliance op, it has allways been in lowsec. Not talking about smartbombing, but I have seen a few in lowsec pvp, small gangs, MS are the big tools for individuals. Back in the early day's battleships were legendary things that were inspirational, considered a grand acheivement by my corp (different toon, I quit and came back) and a corp acheivement. Now that has diminished to it is a staple of Eve to own and operate at elast one Battleship, Capships are becoming into this standard slowly, and MS allready are alliance and personal things.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Onchas Erivvia The downside to being in a super cap is you can't dock. If you don't want that restriction, don't fly a super capital. It makes a lot of sense for the game if you really rub two brain cells together and think about it.
If you can't figure it out, just pretend that a station is a giant secure can and a mothership is another giant secure can.
Yes I know, I understood this restriction when MS could operate 25 fighters at once, but since that has been downgraded to 5 and needing wingmen to operate the other 20 then being able to dock it and use another ship instaed of barely ever using it would be good. Titan - it's a different beast like I said, I can't see how it would break the game to dock a ship that dosen't have the roll it did when not being able to dock was introduced.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Kutie didnt read ur post....but NO
If you didn't read then why bother posting 
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant I was under the impression the carrier fighter nerf got called off. Did they still go ahead with motherships? That doesn't make much sense...
I don't fly one, I like everyone watched the mighty threadnaughts and assumed that the nerf happened..... Can any carrier/mothership pilots confirm if the number of fighters the carrier pilot can control themselves has changed at all?
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro "End game" != bigger ships
Everyone makes their own endgame, that is the sandbox nature of Eve, mine is to own and pilot a ship that has that "awe" factor like battleships in beta did. Whats yours?
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Troye Yout want to fly the second most biggest class of ship in game then prepare for the drawbacks, if you've been playing since beta you should know EVE is a paper/rock/scissors game, not being able to dock is the MSs paper to its rock.
And no the fighter control nerf was canceled but CCP are still eager to nerf the carrier class in general so buy with caution. I realy don't think your petitions going to have alot of succes btw.
Aye, I understand that it is the second biggest class ingame but I made this under the petition it had had it's claws clipped off, and the request was for the counter to this awesome firepower (it can't dock) to be removed to make the ship more appealing to a potential pilot. I put petition in the title because no one actualy ever treats them as such, and seem to me allways to become good discussion beds as opposed to /sighned.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Vanladall
It did not change, it was called off.
Yay - but why are motherships selling so low now? Is it market inertia from the speculation keeping it down as people expect them to be that price now?
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 14/01/2008 21:50:54 Rorquals can use the clone vat so that can't be the problem. And my fault for not having a garage alt? Sorry but this isn't alt online whatever everyone does, I see no reason to specificaly train an alt to pilot a moderatly expensive ship so as not to limit my main. All I am suggesting is it be able to dock so I wouldn't need more accounts. It is as safe with an alt logged off in deadspace as it is docked in a station so I can't see the problem from that pov.
EDIT - aren't Motherships just bigger Carriers, like a Supercarrier with a clone Vat Bay attatched anyway?
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gawain Hill I can't be arsed reading this thread.
So you skipped the entire constructive criticism and debate to troll your opinion as being more valuable than those that are debating it? My apologies for just ignoring you....
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 14/01/2008 22:30:17
Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin
Originally by: Kirjava Everyone makes their own endgame, that is the sandbox nature of Eve, mine is to own and pilot a ship that has that "awe" factor like battleships in beta did. Whats yours?
The idea is that you should craft your "end game" within the scope of the game. Asking developers to restructure the game because you want your "end game" and none of the sacrifice to get there, well that just doesn't make sense. I'm sure there are some people who want to be elves and such. Should development cater to them as well?
I am stating a vested interestand reason for requesting the change. I beleived -wrongly I may add- that the firepower of MS had been slashed by a significant amount by the patch. This was my reasoning as an acceptable trade - much lower firepower in exchange for the ability to dock and change ship.
Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: Kirjava EDIT - aren't Motherships just bigger Carriers, like a Supercarrier with a clone Vat Bay attatched anyway?
Sure, but why does that mean they should be able to dock? (You also missed that they are immune to EW and basic scrambling).
Like mentioned earlier - HACtors can scramble a MS.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.16 12:20:00 -
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I do manage my own POS, I know about cloaking and logoff tactics very well, I am a lowsec POS runner after all 
What I am addressing is the want to have 1 account and 1 charecter, whilst needing to have an alt dedicated to running my most powerful ship, thats my issue.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.16 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kirjava on 16/01/2008 12:33:00
Originally by: Steve Hawkings lol @ op, get a pos and stop crying like a baby, tbh we dont care if u never get one.
LOL at the forum noob that didnt read the post above this posted 5 miniutes previous.
Originally by: Kuranta So, you should actually include a "I want to be able to jump without a cyno alt / friend." in your Petition. Otherwiese you won't be able to do that 1 account / 1 char thing.
No, I have no problems realy with this, Alliance teritory mostly has Cyno beacons anyway and noone should fly a MS by itself to begin with for combat. What I am asking for is the dock it up and switch ships from Mothership to something more appropriate to the matter at hand.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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