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Hank Showbo Neyi Industries	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:39:00 - [1] Idea: Give them more damage, character and a role. Remove resistance bonus as its useless, replace with something useful. Format (highs-meds-lows) *Amarr:* Retribution (4-2-5) +25 CPU Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret Rate of Fire per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level Vengeance (4-3-4) Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to rocket damage, 5% bonus to armor resistances Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to rocket launcher rate of fire and 5% bonus to cap recharge rate per level *Caldari:* Harpy (4-4-3) +30 cpu 50->75KM base lock range Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 10% bonus to shield boost ammount per level Hawk (4-5-2) +30 cpu Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Standard and Rocket Missile Kinetic Damage and 10% bonus to missile velocity Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to standard and rocket launcher rate of fire and 7.5% bonus to the capacitor used by shield boosters per level *Gallente:* Enyo (4-3-4) +25cpu Remove drone bay Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 5% reduction in microwarpdrive capacitor penalty per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 2% bonus to the effect of stasis webifiers per level Ishkur (4-4-2) +30cpu +8PG 15m3 drone bandwidth, 50m3 drone bay. Remove 1 turret point Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Armor repair ammount and 5m3 bonus to drone bandwidth per level *Minmatar:* Wolf (5-2-4) +25cpu +1 turret point +12PG Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Damage bonus and 10% bonus to Small Projectile Optimal Range per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Turret damage and 10% bonus to accuracy falloff per level Jaguar (4-4-3) +10cpu +5PG +1 turret point Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus and 15% bonus to accuracy falloff per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus and 10% bonus to shield hitpoints per level ROLE BONUS for ALL of these ships: 50% Reduction in heat damage taken by overloading, and 50% increased overloading effect on weapons. So its simple, they will have good dps, OK tanks with a little bit more edge if they use overloading. They become more like predecessors to heavy assualt ships, and will have a good use.
Illminatis	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:51:00 - [2] Quote: Remove resistance bonus as its useless, replace with something useful. made me skeptical, but I kept reading. Then I read your proposed Retribution change - taking off one high slot, adding a med slot (I'm OK with this), but removing the resists and instead adding a 25% ROF bonus? That's a bit crap. So it's still slow, does less DPS than a t1 cruiser, but now has the tank of a T1 frigate? The ship transformed from a handy missioning/npcing ship to totally useless in both PVP and PVE.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:54:00 - [3] How about a role bonus: +100% to afterburner velocity bonus? Their problem is that they are sluggish like cruisers but fail to make up for it with anything. They have frigate hitpoints but can't use speed to their advantage which frigates rely on. Therefore while they are good against other frigates, they too easily get killed by bigger ships, which discourages their use heavily. An afterburner bonus would give them enough speed and low enough sig to have enough protection from bigger ships so that they can be useful in their anti-frigate role. Their relatively low damage output would still make sure they wouldn't simply be better than cruisers and they would still not go anywhere near as fast as interceptors. --- CEO
Tuko kun Gallente Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:54:00 - [4] i think/hope he means they still get the bonus but its not one of its 4 ship bonus
Caffeine Junkie Celestial Frontier Inc Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:57:00 - [5] Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 15/01/2008 17:59:30 Your ideas are good, but I still can't see them having a different role to a HAC. I'd like- Role Bonus: 100% bonus to primary weapon type damage. +50% agility. -25% mass. +25% cap (or -25% recharge time) Turn them into relatively fragile, but nutty little things that pack one hell of a punch, faster but still much slower than intys. I don't think a frig-sized craft will ever be overpowered, might make them more fun though. Quote: If you need a reminder of the deterrent effect of CONCORD, just remember the number of ships you pass in highsec that don't frag you on sight.
Caffeine Junkie Celestial Frontier Inc Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Jin Entres How about a role bonus: +100% to afterburner velocity bonus? Their problem is that they are sluggish like cruisers but fail to make up for it with anything. They have frigate hitpoints but can't use speed to their advantage which frigates rely on. Therefore while they are good against other frigates, they too easily get killed by bigger ships, which discourages their use heavily. An afterburner bonus would give them enough speed and low enough sig to have enough protection from bigger ships so that they can be useful in their anti-frigate role. Their relatively low damage output would still make sure they wouldn't simply be better than cruisers and they would still not go anywhere near as fast as interceptors. /signed. Like this idea too. Quote: If you need a reminder of the deterrent effect of CONCORD, just remember the number of ships you pass in highsec that don't frag you on sight.
Skeiron	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:06:00 - [7] I thought AF's were already being boosted some time soon with resistance vs. propulsion jamming effect (ie. webs)? Anyways, if that's not gonna happen, /signed deffinatelly. ------------------------- No more alt-posts!!!
Zaqar	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Illminatis Edited by: Illminatis on 15/01/2008 18:07:13 Quote: Remove resistance bonus as its useless, replace with something useful. made me skeptical, but I kept reading. I assume he means leave the resists exactly as they are, but to remove the text from the description that claims they're a bonus, and add a real bonus instead.
Sean Faust	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:14:00 - [9] Overall I like the idea, but your proposed changes to the gallente AFs in particular seem to ignore 2 things: 1. The Enyo NEEDS a falloff bonus, it really does 2. The Ishkur's bandwidth was nerfed for a reason, there was no reason for that ship to be able to field medium drones. It was ridiculously overpowered, and you want that back?
Hank Showbo Neyi Industries	Posted - 2008.01.15 18:36:00 - [10] To clear things up, yes I did mean keep the current resists and replace it from a bonus to just being there. Also the enyo, do you know that the falloff bonus isnt really much help on small guns? And I took off a turret on the Ishkur, thats why I give it back the possibility of using a few mediums. The ishtar can use 5 heavies and thats a t2 cruiser eh? And I forgot to mention have their agility increased, as well as sig radius decreased to thier t1 counterparts.
NateX THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.15 19:37:00 - [11] AF's should IMO be a small command ship :) R0ADKILL-killboard \|
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:00:00 - [12] Seems cool but change all RoF bonuses to damage bonuses... CCP won't have RoF bonuses on small turrets because they create too much lag to have stuff firing that quickly. __________________________________
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:03:00 - [13] Originally by: NateX AF's should IMO be a small command ship :) No. AFs need to not suck before getting a role. Which means, mass fix first. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Power's Urge Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Hank Showbo Idea: Give them more damage, character and a role. They actually have character and a role; it just needs to be more clearly defined. They need to be good at what they do, not just able to do it at all. Quote: Remove resistance bonus as its useless, replace with something useful, keeping thier current t2 resists. Check. Quote: First off, have their agility/inertia increased and sig radius reduced to that of their t1 variants. Check. Quote: Retribution (4-2-5) +25 CPU Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret Rate of Fire per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level I'd keep the current slot layout to be honest; sure, it makes her unviable as a solo ship, but that's one thing that makes her special; I'd rather have her get a fifth turret. Quote: Vengeance (4-3-4) Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to rocket damage, 5% bonus to armor resistances Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to rocket launcher rate of fire and 5% bonus to cap recharge rate per level Check. Quote: Harpy (4-4-3) +30 cpu 50->75KM base lock range Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 10% bonus to shield boost ammount per level Okay. Quote: Hawk (4-5-2) +30 cpu Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Standard and Rocket Missile Kinetic Damage and 10% bonus to missile velocity Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to standard and rocket launcher rate of fire and 7.5% bonus to the capacitor used by shield boosters per level Why only a kinetic damage bonus ? The Vengeance is bonused on all damage types, and so should the Hawk as the ultimate missile AF. Quote: Enyo (4-3-4) +25cpu Remove drone bay Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 5% reduction in microwarpdrive capacitor penalty per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 2% bonus to the effect of stasis webifiers per level Same as the Retribution - the slot layout is one of the defining elements of this ship; also, you'd take away a good part of its damage, which is really what makes the Enyo shine. As for the web resistance bonus, I'd up that to, say, 5% per level. Quote: Ishkur (4-4-2) +30cpu +8PG 10m3 drone bandwidth, 50m3 drone bay. Remove 1 turret point Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Armor repair ammount and 5m3 bonus to drone bandwidth per level I thought about bandwidth and repair bonuses too; to be honest, she should either be able to field a full flight of mediums or get hitpoint and damage bonuses like the other drone ships. Compared to the Ishkur's current simple extra spare drone bonus, the Ishtar's drone bonuses are insane - or the Ishkur's insanely low. Don't like the slot layout change again - giving her a tanking bonus and gimping her ability to actually fit a tank doesn't seem to make much sense. If she's to get 4 mids, I'd rather make it 3-4-3, as the drones should make up for that additional high. Quote: Wolf (5-2-4) +25cpu +1 turret point +12PG Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Damage bonus and 10% bonus to Small Projectile Optimal Range per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Turret damage and 10% bonus to accuracy falloff per level I like this one; not sure about the falloff bonus, though; would help her with ACs of course, but softens the definition as an artillery platform. Quote: Jaguar (4-4-3) +10cpu +5PG +1 turret point Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus and 15% bonus to accuracy falloff per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus and 10% bonus to shield hitpoints per level Do you really mean 15% falloff bonus per level ? Not that I wouldn't like it, but it would give her an insane range for ACs. The shield hp bonus is okay if it translates well enough into an improved shield recharge rate. Quote: ROLE BONUS for ALL of these ships: 50% Reduction in heat damage taken by overloading, and 50% increased overloading effect on weapons. That would mean heat would make up a very significant part of their performance; I don't really think that would improve the...
Hank Showbo Neyi Industries	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:42:00 - [15] Edited by: Hank Showbo on 15/01/2008 20:45:15 - Yes the Retribution is one of my favourite assualts, 2 slots may seem a bit overpowered, but in all honesty, the enyo at the moment can do more damage and has 2 medium slots. - Here is where the racial sets in, ships like drakes, caracals, cerberus and nighthawks all have kinetic damage bonus. Remember the vengeance as stated in the Khanid MK2 changes are rockets only. Hawk gets to choose between rockets or standard while holding a cap stable, 5 med slot tank. - Where do I take away the damage btw? Also you misunderstood the webbing bonus, the bonus is intended for its own webs, so say level 5 assualt ships with t2 web would give a -99% webber, same as the Kronos and Paladin. - First off I apologize for making a typing error, I was meant to propose 2-4-4 now 4-4-2. So thats 2 highs, 4 meds and 4 lows. Also if I have worked it out correctly, it will be able to use 2 small nos/neut, MWD, web, scram, small injector, 2 reps, EANM and a damage control. This basically gives it the versatilty of the usual drone boats with a few meds, apart from the vexor of course. I also agree with the point that even my proposal doesnt give the Ishkur as much damage as it should get, but it will get roughly 250 dps with average skills and 2 blasters in its highs, that and 4 meds and 4 lows should be pretty balanced. - A lot of people use the Wolf with autocannons too, a falloff bonus will benefit both them and artillery, basically allowing it versatility to go either platform. - I did mean 15% because the falloff on small guns if very weak, even with barrage + 200mm AC II. 15% can be justified in this aspect I think, turning the Jag into a small Vaga without a speed bonus, but with more shield HP buffer, allowing for a better survivability chance, soon as the Jag will have to come in web range to deal any sort of reasonable dps, even with 75% falloff. - The idea behind the overloading bonus if simply to allow people with high skills to still want to use one and find them useful. The ship changes will still be very good even without the role bonus supplied, so the role does not exactly put thier performance down to the use of it, it will just be there, as an option.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:45:00 - [16] double the existing turrets damage, or double the turrets imho.
Spaced Skunk 9omH	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:48:00 - [17] Originally by: slothe double the existing turrets damage, or double the turrets imho. That would be crazy, youd get like 500 dps from the Retribution and like 600ish with the Enyo. Would be fun though. To Spawny, a great guy, a great laugh. Rest in peace buddy.
Maeltstome Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.15 20:55:00 - [18] You'd turn the retribution into a monster, and the wolf would be completely unstoppable... which i like. IMO the new bonus for the caldari ships are all wrong - and the lock range on the harpy is silly. If however, it where a bonus, then that would make sense (making it a more pointed sniping frigate, like a well armored catalyst). ------- [12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF
Hank Showbo Neyi Industries	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Maeltstome You'd turn the retribution into a monster, and the wolf would be completely unstoppable... which i like. IMO the new bonus for the caldari ships are all wrong - and the lock range on the harpy is silly. If however, it where a bonus, then that would make sense (making it a more pointed sniping frigate, like a well armored catalyst). I proposed a lock range increase because of the recent sensor booster nerf which I felt was unfair on sniping ships such as the Harpy.
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Power's Urge Why only a kinetic damage bonus ? The Vengeance is bonused on all damage types, and so should the Hawk as the ultimate missile AF. Because the vengeance only gets to fit rocket launchers bonused but the harpy can pick between std launcher and rocket. Just like the crow gets kin bonus and can pick between long and short range weaponry and compare with malediction that only can get bonused rockets but all dmg types. Its a fair trade and inline with the rest of the "system".
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Hank Showbo *Gallente:* Enyo (4-3-4) +25cpu Remove drone bay Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 5% reduction in microwarpdrive capacitor penalty per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 2% bonus to the effect of stasis webifiers per level Ishkur (2-4-4) +30cpu +8PG 10m3 drone bandwidth, 50m3 drone bay. Remove 1 turret point Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Armor repair ammount and 5m3 bonus to drone bandwidth per level *Minmatar:* Wolf (5-2-4) +25cpu +1 turret point +12PG Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Damage bonus and 10% bonus to Small Projectile Optimal Range per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile Turret damage and 10% bonus to accuracy falloff per level Jaguar (4-4-3) +10cpu +5PG +1 turret point Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus and 15% bonus to accuracy falloff per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus and 10% bonus to shield hitpoints per level ROLE BONUS for ALL of these ships: 50% Reduction in heat damage taken by overloading, and 50% increased overloading effect on weapons. So its simple, they will have good dps, OK tanks with a little bit more edge if they use overloading. They become more like predecessors to heavy assualt ships, and will have a good use. retri: like the bonuses, don't like the slot change. 5-1-5 with 5 turrets and the current bonuses, the proposed CPU addition and 10 more grid caldari lineup: shield boost and cap ammount swapped to a 25% resistance bonus from caldari frig to both ships. gallente lineup: the enyo as it is is ok-ish, however I would make him into a blasterboat and give a falloff bonus instead. as for the ishkur, instead BW bonus, a +10% drone speed bonus please. Love the layout however Minmatar layout: atm they are pretty ok, altho the only thing that would be changed is the range bonuses. Optimal for the wolf and falloff for the jag. Wolf should get dual damage bonuses from the minmatar frig (making the range bonus an AF bonus), but the jag with that shield HP bonus is nice. layout as it is now should remain. and if you're giving them that role bonus (good one aswell), yes, an agility boost is in order. --- planetary interaction idea!
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 21:50:00 - [22] These are good ideas for a AF fix. There have been many of these kinds of threads about the AFs. I don't think CCP is ignoring them, but they seem to have some plan for the AFs that they don't want to talk about. Some communication would be nice from CCP.
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Hank Showbo Edited by: Hank Showbo on 15/01/2008 20:23:16 Idea: Give them more damage, character and a role. Remove resistance bonus as its useless, replace with something useful, keeping thier current t2 resists. Format (highs-meds-lows) First off, have their agility/inertia increased and sig radius reduced to that of their t1 variants. *Amarr:* Retribution (4-2-5) +25 CPU Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret Rate of Fire per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes please
Shaka Quatuic	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:06:00 - [24] I really like the idea of giving the Wolf/Jaguar an afterburner bonus that doesn't apply to MWDs. Something along the lines of say 25% per level of Assault Frigate Skill. that would put them in the speed range of a meta 1 MWD when using a T2 or good named AB without the sig penalty. they would still be faster using T2 or named MWDs of course, but absolute speed isn't the point - efficient and sustainable speed is. more effective use of afterburner would also free up power and cpu grid for other uses: heavier guns, tanking, etc. I don't know much about the other AFs - dont fly them - but as it stands now I really have no use for the min AFs outside of say L2 missions, where a cruiser does just as well or better. come to think of it, I like this bonus for all the minmatar combat ship classes, including T1, though I wouldn't give all of them quite as much of a bonus - perhaps 10-15%/level base for T1 plus an additional role bonus for T2... they are supposed to be the best at going fast after all.
Prometheus Exenthal Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:19:00 - [25] i agree with the enyo needing a 3rd mid slot, but dropping a hi slot...no so much. Other than that i think the overheating bonus (while intriguing) maybe be a little too skill intensive for an already skill intensive ship. The other bonii are cool too. I have to agree with getting a bonus to AB's though, since these ships are already slow as hell and the best defense is its size. -
Flurren	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:25:00 - [26] Wolf extra range bonus is stupid, jack of all trades ships never work as they're poor at everything instead of good at one thing and terrible at others so theyre always beaten by specific ships. Jag bonuses are okish but 15% falloff apart from being out of balance with all other range bonuses wont allow it to operate like a vagabond anyway. Shield buffer is ok but basically forces the ship to fit a shield extender limiting its versatility (but as i said this isnt too much of a problem. Im just concentrating on your minmatar proposals as those are the ships im familiar with but in all honesty im glad you're not a dev as your ideas are frankly crap.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2008.01.15 22:45:00 - [27] Originally by: NateX AF's should IMO be a small command ship :) Second. Bonuses for small ships.
Enkilil Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.15 23:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Flurren Sorry to be so harsh since you obviously tried but i think you need to put more effort and thought into this before posting. Apart from anything else these changes wouldnt fix the majority of problems AFs have which is simply being outclassed by cruisers at close range (the only range in which theyre effective) although the mass reductions would go some way towards helping. Listen to this man. Honestly, outside of the agility bonus proposed, I'm not really seeing anything that's helping just yet. 1. The Vengeance is still kind of meh with that setup. 10% to rocket damage per level is more on par with what kind of damage it needs to deal (It's a baby Sacrilege). 2. I like the idea of a 2nd midslot on the Retribution, but at that cost, it's not worth it. 2. Why have a 5% hybrid damage bonus on the Ishkur if you're talking about removing a hardpoint? 3. Enyo without the 5th high slot is useless, no matter what you do with the webby and MWD. Enyo with a 3rd midslot is overpowered (even with a hi-slot removed). There's just no balance for this ship unless they make it a 4 missle point ACTUAL RODEN ship 'favors missles over drones'. CCP messed up this ship from its' inception, just like they messed up the Phobos. Roden = missles. Since Gallente pretty much don't have any, why didn't they live up to the Roden storyline and actually do that? It boggles the mind... 4. "ROLE BONUS for ALL of these ships: 50% Reduction in heat damage taken by overloading, and 50% increased overloading effect on weapons." If you're not going to apply it (effect) across the board to accommodate all slots, then you've effectively done nothing to help tech 2 frigates. TBH overloading weapons isn't really going to help with anything other than killing other frigates. An overheating bonus to other slots will what an AF will need to give it a razor edge (MWD, Web, Scram, everything for tank, etc). Good ideas, but please refine them a bit. It's going to be difficult to make everyone happy.
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.16 00:42:00 - [29] The only thing the Assault Ships need, is speed and a lot of it. They are all slow, and if you fit a MWD you severely gimp the ship. Their agility has always been pretty crappy. The DPS of them all, I feel is sufficient, it's just they can barely move.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.01.16 01:00:00 - [30] AF's don't need to be made over-powered just minor tweaks. A un-webable Wolf/Jag for me would be fun tell it got nerfed. Mini-Commandship would be a nice tweak for small gangs but doesn't solve the AFs other problems.

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