I believe that this is false. imo Nano HACs would be pretty sweet right now if all tech1 Battlecruisers suddenly disappeared. This is kind of a silly argument regardless, and while I do agree that HACs and especially T1 Cruisers need love, I just think that you are incorrect in saying this.

It's funny that the ships that are supposed to be for rookies are some of the hardest to fit. Destroyers, T1 frigates and T1 cruisers are disturbingly hard to fit.

I created a Gallente alt 5 months and 12 days ago. To date she has perfect gunnery support skills and is halfway through navigation. Yet there are still basics like signature analysis as well as tanking, overheating, rigs, ect. I feel sorry for those trying to get into the game.

Overshadow other tech 1 hulls: the leap in performance between cruiser and tier 2 battlecruiser classes is just too great for too little cost (average slot count, EHP mainly). This, coupled with the gain in damage for having access to more weapon slots, as well as extra fitting power (ever tried squeezing turrets into an Omen and keep a decent fit?), makes the small loss of speed irrelevant when leaving the cruiser class as battlecruisers still remain fairly mobile. That's partly why the Hurricane also is so popular.

Incorrectly funnel new players: don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP. What's the point of a Bellicose? Exequror? Maller? Moa? They shouldn't be things you just skip on the way to a greater purpose, like a leaf of salad in my 250gr double-layered onion and egg hamburger.

It's funny that the ships that are supposed to be for rookies are some of the hardest to fit. Destroyers, T1 frigates and T1 cruisers are disturbingly hard to fit.

I created a Gallente alt 5 months and 12 days ago. To date she has perfect gunnery support skills and is halfway through navigation. Yet there are still basics like signature analysis as well as tanking, overheating, rigs, ect. I feel sorry for those trying to get into the game.

Tell that to the 1000s of new players just going from level 2 in Cruisers to level 3 in BCs.

Imo Tier 3s are balanced well. It's the tier 2s and to a lesser extent tier 1s that are an issue. A Brutix outclasses a Thorax is every possible role imaginable, for example. (And arguably, a Hurricane outclasses both.)

^^ That. So true.

-Liang

Predict many Drake users--and BC users in general across all skill and experience levels--are going to unsub after Drake is nerfed completely unecessarily, because they've decided they're sick of getting ****** in the arse by null-tards' pet devs at CCP.

A cane out classes pretty much everything BC and below, t2 cruiser hulls as well. In general minnie ships are superior to everyone elses.

I didn't say anything about overpowered or underpowered - I said that there will always be a ship of the line. And no, simple use frequency doesn't denote over or underpoweredness.

-Liang

[reason and rationality]
[...]
- I'm not sure why you think that HACs should be competing for the same roles that BCs do. That seems pretty dubious.
- Certain CSs so far outclass T1 BCs its not funny. Others... fall lackluster. One might argue its a problem with specific ships...
[...]

-Liang

One thing that i must agree with is that T1 cruisers are completely useless/unused. (mby Xcept rupture).

They definitely need some kind of buff or refocus. (most of all T1 "logi" cruisers are joke)

Battlecruisers have basicaly same requirements and are better in every way making T1 cruisers obsolete.
Sad but true...

Your classic HAM-buffer or roaming-HML Drake (assuming you need some utility mods, and not just use them to blob) have about an 80-90k buffer, whereas a similarily "buffered" Cane sports a 70-80k buffer.

I am not trolling. Ever hear of alts?

If your playing WoW, maybe. EVE is not a game of bigger=better.

First off, I apologize for my terrible spelling and grammer.

I'm SICK AND TIRED of every time a ship stands out in PVP or PVE everyone who doesnt fly it go OMG-OP-SHIP-CCP-GET THE-NERF-BAT!!!!

Its getting old. Eventually EVER SHIP IN THE GAME will get nerfed to the point of SUCKING. Just rebalance it, dont just SLASH some aspect of it to ribbons without giving it some other bonus.

First its nerf the drake because people like it! Then its nerf the hurricane because its now the best BC with the drake dead! THEN its nerf the harby because its the only tier 2 battle cruiser who's main weapon is on the ship itself that doesn't completely suck!!!

It will never end.

Unless CCP NERFS THE BLOB

That the real problem here. The hurricane is good because of its DPS, ok. Well you can still beat it 1v1. Its when you get 50 hurricanes in the same fleet that the problem arises.

The drake itself? not unbeatable, take away its drones and its just another overtanked, welp DPS'd ships that can win only because it outlasts everything else. When you get 50 Drakes in the same fleet its almost impossible to beat them because of the massive DPS required.

Bring small scale gang warfare back to 0.0 wars. Bring and end to the blob. Give the nerfbat a rest!

Anyone care to share an idea about how to nerf the blob? Only idea i have is lower fleet size but that wouldnt work for 0.0 warfare (blobs).


Tell that to the tracking titan.
(Please, lets not make this a tracking titan thread I was proving a point)

pure incisive fury is also needed, arguably more so, as I submit that CCP is too institutionally up-itself to ever bloody well hear anything else.

Verily old chap. Now, if you would be so jovial as to acquiesce your tangibles into the person of myself for future usage I would be obliged to give a measure of thanks.

Ta ta!

A shield can with NO WARP JAMMING GEAR in the mids (1 invuln 2 LSE 1 mwd) gets 60k EHP all L5 skills
With a warp diruptor it dips to 49k EHP

Clearly never flown a shield cane.

I love how the ZOMG NERF EVERYTHING thread turned into a STFU. quit whining, and lets address real issues thread. Well done

Anyone care to share an idea about how to nerf the blob?

Buff cruisers.

Clearly never flown with links.

Buff Bombers to be able to fit four bomb launchers, with enough cargo bay to carry one reload in the bay. Allow the launchers to be stacked, and create a damage mod that increases size and damage of bombs that can be fit in the lows. Also allow it to fit four siege launchers as an alternative to the bomb launchers.

FE4R teh B0M3R!!!

-DT

What you mean the Insurance thing?

If so I am just not a fan of the mechanic. When I was a newbe it was helpful but now that I know I won't loose a Ship in PvE unless I am being dumb (Happens, my fault) and only fly what I can afford to loose in PvP it just seems a little to hand holding.

Some people like the Safty Net and I am not frothing at the mouth yelling HTFU but I just don't like it.

They are the MBT of EVE but I don't think they should be.

I would prefer Cruisers had the mix of DPS, Tank and Speed to make them the MBT's of EVE while Battlecruisers are just Heavier, Slower better Tanked versions and Tier 3's as Inaccurate but almost as fast Hammers like Tank Destroyers with the big forward facing oversized guns.

I think I would prefer PvP moved to the middle while Battlecruisers should Shine in area's of less mobility like Blockades and Bigger Fleets. T1 Cruisers to me should be more viable as a Skirmish option then the Cane.

Do you drive a car? How about fly a plane, ride a motorcycle, drive or sail a boat? Do you have life insurance?
Soldiers go to war and have insurance.. Its there to compensate you for a loss..

If you crash your car 2morrow? Do you have enough to buy a new one outright? Do soldiers who die in combat, do you think their families should suffer and starve because the money maker of the family dies?

How about your family, if you got injured, and cant work, do you think your family should suffer because of it...

Its there to help cover when bad things happen.. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean everyone else shouldnt have it.

If your not paying for their insurance then you have no right to say they shouldnt have it when they foot the bill...

I don't have any fancy charts or graphs, but I think the tier 2 BC's are all fine. Ok, so I would like the drake to take a small nerf, but if my only options are to leave tier 2's the way they are or to nerf drakes and canes (prob into the ground cus that's what happens when people whine about stuff being OP when it's working) buff the harbinger (WTF) and buff the myrm (just don't try to fight on a gate with GCC cus your drones die), I say to leave them be.

So tier 2 BC's are all but fine imho.

Tier 1 BC's are what I expect out of them: they are cheaper than tier 2's and fill roles nicely without stepping on toes of tier 2 BC's.

The real problem isn't BC's as much as it is cruisers. I thought obvious need for cruiser rebalancing was obvious