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PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:09:00 - [1] Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:48 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:39 grh, editing now - don't lock
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium imPure.	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:11:00 - [2] Incoming whine? ________
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:11:00 - [3] The suspense is killing me.
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:12:00 - [4] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:48 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:39 grh, editing now - don't lock In Before The Edit? ☼☼☼ 12 Seconds ☼☼☼
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon Incoming whine? Satirical mirror to the "Speed is not EVE" thread in GD? __________________________________
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:16:00 - [6] Is it gonna be about the abundance of capital ships in small gang warfare these days? Because I think "Welcome to Capital Ships Online" is a snappier whine thread title. Might be a little overdone though, and that "Speed is not Eve" thread did alright. Just something to think about while you're editing.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:16:00 - [7] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:48 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:39 grh, editing now - don't lock IBTE!!!! Oh yeah, and Eve IS Capital (13) ships! -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:48 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:09:39 grh, editing now - don't lock IBTE!!!! Oh yeah, and Eve IS Capital (13) ships! -Liang I think you mean EVE is capital >_> __________________________________
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:22:00 - [9] Eight replies and absolutely no content yet. I can tell this thread is going places.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium imPure.	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:26:00 - [10] With such a telling title I'll have to agree with you. ________

PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:28:00 - [11] Ok, finally edited.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:30:00 - [12] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 19/01/2008 05:32:15 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Eight replies and absolutely no content yet. I can tell this thread is going places. I see that he edited the post, but there's still no content. <_< >_> <_> >_< ed: ok ok it's not fair. he does bring a semi-valid point, but... maybe what needs adjusting is the entire pos warfare mechanic -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Big King	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:31:00 - [13] So you are mad about that somthing big can kill something smaller and want somthing huge that can kill the big ship ????
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium imPure.	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:35:00 - [14] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:31:30 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:29:24 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:26:24 Nanoships are taking quite a lot of whining, so I see another problem in EVE. It seems that capital ships have became the new I-win button. What is the counter against capitals? There is no counter against capital ships, that doesn't involve bring more of the same ships(more capitals) or just bringing a lot more friends(blobbing). There is no way to win a 10 capitals vs 10 other ships fight. Isn't that fundamentally unbalanced and needs major adjustments? A good way would be to add a Huginn-like counter-ship for capitals. Something that could seriously hurt them, for example, a anti-capital t2 battleship, that could 1v1 any capital at any moment, and always win. Another idea is to add a special anti-capital neuts, that would perform in a similar way to a Heavy Neut killing nanoships speed/cap. It should be ***ble by BSes and should insta-neut capital's cap. Obviously it should only work vs capitals. Adding a 1B module for anti-capital use would also work out good. It should beform similar to a Domination web, the price is there to keep inline with the Nanoship(200M) <-> counter(200M) and Capital ship(1B) <-> counter (1B) Also, overheating and gangmods** should also involve very specialist anti-capital uses. Gang skills being charisma based skills, though low-ranked, will prevent them from being overused. All in all, capitals need a nerf. Failure, you just countered an "i-win" button with an "i-win" button. ________
PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:36:00 - [15] Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:37:43 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:36:10 Originally by: Big King So you are mad about that somthing big can kill something smaller and want somthing huge that can kill the big ship ???? Nanoships have counters. Capital ships do not. Bigger is not supposed to be better. I can't disagree, the changes suggested here would ruin the current pos war mechanic, but POS war is undergoing some redesigning anyway. No need to make the new poses capital-only stuff.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.19 05:40:00 - [16] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:37:43 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:36:10 Originally by: Big King So you are mad about that somthing big can kill something smaller and want somthing huge that can kill the big ship ???? Nanoships have counters. Capital ships do not. Bigger is not supposed to be better. I can't disagree, the changes suggested here would ruin the current pos war mechanic, but POS war is undergoing some redesigning anyway. No need to make the new poses capital-only stuff. It takes twenty five man-hours with a fully skilled Basilisk to rep a pos. What the *** jack?! -- Originally by:** "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Bellona Il'uria	Posted - 2008.01.19 06:46:00 - [17] "...is Eve", and "...is not Eve" are the current FOTM expressions and are obviously in need of urgent euthanasia. All who have posted in this thread so far have thus failed on a massive scale. Learn to meet your challenges with the [provided] means available to you, and stop your ridiculous whining. Plz.
Hans Viktor	Posted - 2008.01.19 06:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Bellona Il'uria "...is Eve", and "...is not Eve" are the current FOTM expressions and are obviously in need of urgent euthanasia. All who have posted in this thread so far have thus failed* on a massive scale.* Learn to meet your challenges with the [provided] means available to you, and stop your ridiculous whining. Plz. Italicized and underlined the import part of what you just said...welcome to the fail, join us :)
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.01.19 07:30:00 - [19] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Nanoships have counters. Capital ships do not. Bigger is not supposed to be better. I can't disagree, the changes suggested here would ruin the current pos war mechanic, but POS war is undergoing some redesigning anyway. No need to make the new poses capital-only stuff. Capitals have lots of counters. It's called jamming, damping, etc. You ever tryied it? What the Op is sugesting is similiar to adding an anti-battleship cruiser to the game, which can engage every single battleship in the game and win. It's absurd, hah. Capitals are vulnerable to EW, pretty slow, hard to use(synos, etc.), tankable by some battleships, and in general don't have much of a DPS. I've seen loads of "nerf carriers" topics by now, but they all fail to get valuable proof that this is needed. I say gang mega deals similar DPS to some carriers. They need a buff, buff carriers please.
Riho Drop of Blood	Posted - 2008.01.19 08:32:00 - [20] ffs... more whine... Capitals can be killed easy. they are not solo pwn mobiles (well.. motherships where and now its fixed ---------------------------------- This is Me

Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.19 08:33:00 - [21] I bet you'd get better flames in General Discussion. Ships and Modules is too mellow lately for an entertaining thread. =\
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium imPure.	Posted - 2008.01.19 08:33:00 - [22] BTW it's possible to kill a carrier with 3 or 4 BS if you're fit correctly. ________
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.19 08:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad I bet you'd get better flames in General Discussion. Ships and Modules is too mellow lately for an entertaining thread. =\ I dunno, there's some pretty good back and forth going on in my thread. Of course it's with Goumindong so that may be why it's somewhat unpopulated now [/plug] @OP - Lol? Can I have a ship that costs as much as a HAC but automatically defeats all HACs? __________________________________
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.19 08:46:00 - [24] It's obvious the OP has never flown a capital and I highly doubt he's ever even been in a battle with capitals were involved. If they were allowed in highsec, I might agree with his point. Otherwise it's just one big "omg big scary ship that can pwn me in my useless little battleship with only 10 mill skillpoints!" whine. Completely misinformed and incorrect opinion. Otherwise battleships could be seen as I-win buttons with their enormous weapons, fitting options and strength in numbers. Like the OP said, he thinks it's unfair that you can't beat 10 capitals with 10 non-capital ships. So it must also be unfair if you can't beat 10 battleships with 10 t1 cruisers. Or 10 frigates for that matter! The OP needs to grow a brain and play the game for a while until he spends the months it takes to train up the skills, and works himself to death to build up the resources to get his very own capital, so he can see for himself why they're fine the way they are as a reward for the investment. Or he needs to inject more humour into his trolling. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Aries Acheron Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.19 09:07:00 - [25] By the way folks, it's obvious the OP is a satire on nanoship complaints. He's not serious about 'capital counters'. Note the things that are bolded when people say Nanoships have no counter. :) Survive Eve! Eve Tribune
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2008.01.19 10:06:00 - [26] Capital ships are so necessary in a EVE. afterall, EVE is a space game....and no space game is complete without capital ships.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.19 10:16:00 - [27] Nos/neut and sensor damp more whine less. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Van'Klomp Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.19 11:04:00 - [28] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:37:43 Edited by: PriceCheckMax on 19/01/2008 05:36:10 Originally by: Big King So you are mad about that somthing big can kill something smaller and want somthing huge that can kill the big ship ???? Nanoships have counters. Capital ships do not. Bigger is not supposed to be better. Yes they do. But they are a big ship, you are supposed to bring friends to take them down. I recently read of a carrier taken down by a heavy interdictor or two, plus 3 standard BS It took time, but they killed the ship. They are bigger and they are better. Live with it. ------ This is a signature, no?
Van'Klomp Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.19 11:06:00 - [29] Forgott to say, and I know this is a bit presumptuous, but it would be a fine gesture if you were to give me your stuff ------ This is a signature, no?
burek Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.01.19 11:06:00 - [30] Clearly the answer is to add Capital Overdrive modules and Capital Poly Rigs. That way we can evade other capitals in our nano caps!



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