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Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
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Posted - 2012.02.11 10:38:00 -
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Please no BS now. Serious question. I've been soloing level 3's now with ease in my Dom ship full up on cap rechargers and armour repairs. Armour tanking and only using drones. Been using drones and armour tanking for 5 years and has always been good for me. But I see people taking level 4 missions with ease. Shield tanking with no problems as I pick of the targets with my drones. But when I try level 4 solo I always get overwhelmed. Running 2 large armour repairs Tec 2 can't keep up with the bombardment. 3 however will but the cap drain is too much and can't hold out for more than a few. And this is even after I put my armour restance to over 80% to the damage type being delt.
But now I think after all this time I might give something else a try. Put my dom away and my drones to sleep. What would you recommend for level 4 solo mission runnings? What ship, fit and skills to level 5? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.11 10:42:00 -
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use mission-specific hardeners and read the mission descriptions on eve-survival - avoid triggering new spawns until all aggressed spawns are cleared out.
dual-rep dominix is perfectly fine for lvl4s. |
Sarrein Razor
RazorCorporation NUNQUAM RETRO
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 10:47:00 -
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http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports <- Mission Guide.
Dual Rep Dominix
2x LAR II 4 T2 Hardeners (Mission Specific, Example: 2x EM / 2 Therm against Bloods/Sansha)
Rest basicly filled with Cap Modules (Relays and Rechargers) until you are cap Stable (Capacitator Control Circuits as Rigs help a lot here).
And if u got any spare med slots, use a tracking link for your drones. |
Alara IonStorm
1548
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Posted - 2012.02.11 10:50:00 -
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I use a Raven to do them personally. It is a pretty easy going ship you can almost be casual about it.
[Raven, New Setup 2] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Signal Amplifier II Damage Control II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
A lot of people say go with Rigor Rigs but I prefer CCC's since I can run the Tank of the recharge. It is mostly Missions like the Blockade where I need to run the Cap Booster maybe even Warp out once. Pretty much any other missions I don't even bother with it or only use a couple of Charges. With CCC's Precision Missiles are a god send for taking out Cruisers. I use a Meta 4 Shield Booster for fitting so I can have a Sig Amp since their are times when the enemy spawns about 100km away. I will upgrade that to faction though.
I like this Ship because it is lazy I often alt tab out to do other stuff after I pick a target so Blitzing is not really my thing. I make good money between it and my Noctis. The Tractor Beam is so I can grab any Mission items if they are close before I grab my Salvage Boat.
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Fuee
Cupcake Catapults
10
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Posted - 2012.02.11 10:52:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I use a Raven to do them personally. It is a pretty easy going ship you can almost be casual about it.
[Raven, New Setup 2]
This is probably completely and utterly useless to him. |
Alara IonStorm
1548
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:03:00 -
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Fuee wrote:
This is probably completely and utterly useless to him.
Really... ?
Maxious wrote: But now I think after all this time I might give something else a try. Put my dom away and my drones to sleep. What would you recommend for level 4 solo mission runnings? What ship, fit and skills to level 5?
Seems to answer the exact question he asked.
He wants a new Ship I showed him my Raven and told him how I Fly her. |
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:08:00 -
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A simpler question would be, who CANT solo lvl4 missions? |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
251
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:16:00 -
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My drake does fine on level 4s.
I think the problem here is not your setup, but your tactics. Read up on the spawns on eve survival, and also.. DO NOT SIT STILL!
Moving and messing with npc ranges and tracking works magic, even in larger ships. I speedtank most of the things when I'm in a level 4 mission in my drake, using an AB.
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martin louis
Datadyne Dark Division The CodeX Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:33:00 -
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Why would running lvl 4s be hard in a domi with 2x tech 2 repairers running be hard.
And you said you have been running level 3s for 5 years.
Something odd is going on here. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
819
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:35:00 -
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If you fit mission specific hardeners and avoid the triggers it is quite easy to solo most of them. Having the right ship for the mission also helps, I usually switch between 3 different battleships (Maelstrom, Apoc, Raven) to have the best tool for the job. Still, there is stuff that is hard to do solo, like the Angels Extravaganza bonus room (for me, at least- i have to warp out so often that it becomes inefficient). But eve survival should be your best friend, as mentioned above. -.- |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2806
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:36:00 -
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Everyone but you
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1347
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:37:00 -
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me. in a hurricane. and i'm not even reading eve survival. Not my own missions though, but those of others.
Yeah, i like doing it the hard way, because the way how many others play them is just boring and too easy. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Liam Mirren
250
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:38:00 -
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LVL 4 missions is where you really need to stop clowning around just guessing your way through it (unless you have the EVE knowledge to guess properly well).
- you really have to fit appropriate hardeners for every mission, you can't just get away with doing "whatever" - you HAVE to read up on how to do each mission: what to shoot first, what to shoot last, how to behave
For both of those use eve-survival, and put in the effort to learn about the different NPC factions and how they behave. Apart from that you have to start fitting properly. Below I'll post a fit that is VERY tanky at the cost of dps, for starters it's the safest way. if you can't make it with that fit (or comparable named) then I don't know what to tell you...
[Dominix, LVL 4 Double rep Serpentis Heavy tank] Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
E500 Prototype Energy Vampire Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge Small Tractor Beam I Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warden II x5 Garde II x5
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
122
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:41:00 -
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Maxious wrote:Please no BS now. Serious question. I've been soloing level 3's now with ease in my Dom ship full up on cap rechargers and armour repairs. Armour tanking and only using drones. Been using drones and armour tanking for 5 years and has always been good for me. But I see people taking level 4 missions with ease. Shield tanking with no problems as I pick of the targets with my drones. But when I try level 4 solo I always get overwhelmed. Running 2 large armour repairs Tec 2 can't keep up with the bombardment. 3 however will but the cap drain is too much and can't hold out for more than a few. And this is even after I put my armour restance to over 80% to the damage type being delt.
But now I think after all this time I might give something else a try. Put my dom away and my drones to sleep. What would you recommend for level 4 solo mission runnings? What ship, fit and skills to level 5?
I find this very hard to believe. A dual repped domi can chew thru practically any l4 easily (tho there's one Amarr mission that gives me diarrhea sometimes). Would be more helpful if you posted your fit - a poor fit ie. wrong hardeners would make things very difficult. I use a Dominix Navy issue myself for l4 and although it's a lot tougher I can't see much problem with the regular one. I have it single repped and quite often I finish missions before I even need to turn the repper on as my sentry drones and turrets crush anything before it gets close enough.
My fit is roughly: rigs: 2 Large cap control circuit, 1 aux nano pump
5X350 railgun II Drone Link Augmentor
4 Cap rechargers II 2 Omnidriectional tracking link II
4 T2 hardeners which type depends on faction 1 LArge armour repairer II 2 Mag field stabilizers II (sometimes i use the fed navy ones when i want to go a bit quicker0
Plus a full set of light medium and heavy and sentry drones T2. |
Sarmatiko
520
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:01:00 -
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Assault frigs can solo many lvl 4 missions (not all ofc) Something like this:
[Ishkur, PvE]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Empty High Slot
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hobgoblin II x5
If you dont like frigates and battleships then Ishtar is your choice. Dual rep afk Ishtar is indestructible against gurista/serpentis.
[Ishtar, PvE Lvl 4 Ishtar (Dual MAR)] Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Capacitor Battery II Domination 10MN Afterburner
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Salvager I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x5
Stealth bombers can solo many of lvl 5 missions if you want real trials. |
Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
112
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:20:00 -
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I use a Maelstrom.
High: T2 800mm AC x8, mission specific ammo.
Mid: T2 Mission specific hardener x3 T2 XL shield booster T2 Cab booster
Low: T2 Tracking enhancer x2 T2 Gyrostabiliser x2 T2 PDU or DCII, depending on mission
Drones: 5x Hobgoblin 2 5x Hammerhead 2 1x Ogre 1
Medium and small can in the hold, stuffed full of as many cap boosters as I can and with ammo filling the gaps.
It solos Lv4 missions with barely any trouble if I pay attention, don't run the boosters too much, and don't aggro too many rats. The only problem is that the missions are boring now. Sure, it's easy money, but it's not enough thinking. |
Dmoney3788
the unified Negative Ten.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:21:00 -
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0/10 |
Kietay Ayari
En Garde
326
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:43:00 -
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Try a nano blaster Ferox with ECM drones to jam the big stuff. More DPS than a Drake. Ferox #1 |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
194
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:48:00 -
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On the rare event that I still run missions, I just use a Golem. But you don't even need to go that far in order to solo them. As everybody else mentioned, you simply need to fit your ship in specific for the mission you are about to do. IE: Proper hardeners, ammo, etc etc.
They are _not_ difficult to solo once you get used to it.
Also, I'm not a fan of the Domi, but it tends to be the ship of choice when it comes to solo'ing level 4's while semi-afk. Sentries, sentries, sentries. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2806
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:59:00 -
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lol Golem
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
194
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:04:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:lol Golem
Love using the torp Golem.
I want everything I kill to be within the 40km tractor range since I don't come back to missions to loot. I just pick up stuff while still fighting.
Most level 4 mission battleships can be two and three volleyed, and even some of the cruisers can be one volleyed.... A trio of repub fleet target painters works wonders on the smaller ships. Though I do of course just send drones out at the frigs. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:07:00 -
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Some lvl 4s can actually be done in a rifter. And no that is not a joke. Stuff Goes here |
I'thari
54
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:11:00 -
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Maxious wrote:Been using drones and armour tanking for 5 years ... But when I try level 4 solo I always get overwhelmed. I'm surprised some actually answered more or less seriuosly... |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2807
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:18:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Bumblefck wrote:lol Golem Love using the torp Golem. I want everything I kill to be within the 40km tractor range since I don't come back to missions to loot. I just pick up stuff while still fighting. Most level 4 mission battleships can be two and three volleyed, and even some of the cruisers can be one volleyed.... A trio of repub fleet target painters works wonders on the smaller ships. Though I do of course just send drones out at the frigs.
I realise that the Golem can be very efficient at demolishing larger ships. However, most of your applied DPS will go to smaller ships (as there are simply more of them then battleships, generally speaking), so two points spring to mind:
- You will lose a lot of effective DPS without at least two (but preferably three plus) target painters, which leads me to...
- ...insane micromanagement. TP cycles are a bastard, and timing them with launcher firings is even more so. Worse, you very much have to count volleys if you are to reduce ammo/time wastage, and that couple with the tiny launcher capacity, means that you are flying what is effetively the worse marauder now (did anyone think that would ever be said?!)
Vargur is king, with the Paladin/Kronos a little bit behind, and those are only really second due to their fixed damage types. Yes, the Golem has selectable damage types but, for me, juggling all of this around to kill red crosses is just too insane.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:18:00 -
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Mr LaForge wrote:Some lvl 4s can actually be done in a rifter. And no that is not a joke. Recon 1 & 2, Cargo Delivery, Transaction Data Delivery (storyline)
any more? |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2807
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:23:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Bumblefck wrote:lol Golem Love using the torp Golem. I want everything I kill to be within the 40km tractor range since I don't come back to missions to loot. I just pick up stuff while still fighting. Most level 4 mission battleships can be two and three volleyed, and even some of the cruisers can be one volleyed.... A trio of repub fleet target painters works wonders on the smaller ships. Though I do of course just send drones out at the frigs.
JC Anderson wrote:Bumblefck wrote:lol Golem Love using the torp Golem. I want everything I kill to be within the 40km tractor range since I don't come back to missions to loot. I just pick up stuff while still fighting. Most level 4 mission battleships can be two and three volleyed, and even some of the cruisers can be one volleyed.... A trio of repub fleet target painters works wonders on the smaller ships. Though I do of course just send drones out at the frigs.
I realise that the Golem can be very efficient at demolishing larger ships. However, most of your applied DPS will go to smaller ships (as there are simply more of them then battleships, generally speaking), so two points spring to mind:
- You will lose a lot of effective DPS without at least two (but preferably three plus) target painters, which leads me to...
- ...insane micromanagement. TP cycles are a bastard, and timing them with launcher firings is even more so. Worse, you very much have to count volleys if you are to reduce ammo/time wastage, and that couple with the tiny launcher capacity, means that you are flying what is effetively the worse marauder now (did anyone think that would ever be said?!)
Vargur is king, with the Paladin/Kronos a little bit behind, and those are only really second due to their fixed damage types. Yes, the Golem has selectable damage types but, for me, juggling all of this around to kill red crosses is just too insane.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
122
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:41:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Mr LaForge wrote:Some lvl 4s can actually be done in a rifter. And no that is not a joke. Recon 1 & 2, Cargo Delivery, Transaction Data Delivery (storyline) any more?
Buzzkill.
/joke |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:08:00 -
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I've done lvl 4 missions in a Thorax. Untill recently I used a Domi as my main mission ship and have now moved onto a Rattlesnake. IMO lvl 4 missions are too easy! There are lvl 4 missions where I don't even have to activate my repper and only use an Invunrability field.
My experiance in a Domi is that it's low DPS if you are relying on drones only it means you need a much bigger tank and you need to run it for longer which can land you in trouble unless you invest alot of isk on it.
Remember the faster you kill ships the less damage you need to tank. knowledge is power! learn which ships are the triggers, what damage types you'll be reciving and what damge types you need to be meating out.
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Yukiyo
The Pie Factory
1
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:29:00 -
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I use a Loki to solo level 4's. It does all of them very easily except the one where you attack the Caldari station and I get jammed out.
It isn't the best ship to do level 4's with by any means, probably one of the worst for efficiency but I really enjoy flying it :) |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
244
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:40:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:JC Anderson wrote:Bumblefck wrote:lol Golem Love using the torp Golem. I want everything I kill to be within the 40km tractor range since I don't come back to missions to loot. I just pick up stuff while still fighting. Most level 4 mission battleships can be two and three volleyed, and even some of the cruisers can be one volleyed.... A trio of repub fleet target painters works wonders on the smaller ships. Though I do of course just send drones out at the frigs. I realise that the Golem can be very efficient at demolishing larger ships. However, most of your applied DPS will go to smaller ships (as there are simply more of them then battleships, generally speaking), so two points spring to mind: - You will lose a lot of effective DPS without at least two (but preferably three plus) target painters, which leads me to... - ...insane micromanagement. TP cycles are a bastard, and timing them with launcher firings is even more so. Worse, you very much have to count volleys if you are to reduce ammo/time wastage, and that couple with the tiny launcher capacity, means that you are flying what is effetively the worse marauder now ( did anyone think that would ever be said?!) Vargur is king, with the Paladin/Kronos a little bit behind, and those are only really second due to their fixed damage types. Yes, the Golem has selectable damage types but, for me, juggling all of this around to kill red crosses is just too insane.
Doh. I hate moving around, so i used to fly a cruise Golem with 2x TP and the usual assortment of T2 drones. Anything upwards of a Golem is gonna sacrifice tank, so the Golem is the best all-rounder until you get used to room tanking.
Anyway, once i got all shield tanking to 5, the Nightmare turned to be the ultimate pwnmobile. What it did on Blood Raiders can only be called "abuse", scoring some 6,000 damage per volley (over 10,000 on static structures).
Grow bored before trying a Paladin or a Vargur, but, if Vargur has to perform only a bit better than a Machariel, then it's not really worth it, i never bringed the Mach to anyhting but explosive sensitive targets... if they as much as had thermal as secondary, the Nightmare would wipe them way faster than the Mach on their primary. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
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