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These pilots are truly the greatest in the game, as there is alot more than your ships top-speed in teh count for a good nano-gang.

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Originally by: Everyone Dies

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Edited by: Everyone Dies on 20/01/2008 15:46:58
There's really nothing you can do other than recruit huginn/rapier pilots spend, 100's millions on faction webs, or gimp your BS with neuts but that won't guarantee that you will kill or even catch them.

The problem with speed is that it's no different than fitting WCS without the scan res penalties which is obviously a broken mechanic. Nanof4gs will tell you otherwise but they are just defending their cheap tactics/exploits. Everyone wants their overpowered setup but eventually CCP will smash them to bits.

CCP wants people to stay engaged in battles not run like girls. That's why they nerfed WCS in the first place. These nanof4gs are going against natural EVE law.

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Originally by: Father Shillelagh

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Edited by: Father Shillelagh on 20/01/2008 14:42:54
Encountered a gang of 20 nanod-recons last night in out Bs fleet, and couldn't catch / hit one lol. Is there a viable way to catch these speed freaks, wish CCP would make a stasis probe that could be dropped like a warp bubble with a 30km range or more.

:P

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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APOC 8 Unstable Heavy neut 3 Cap recharge II 1 Power Relay II rest passive tank. Egres ports in rig slots. You can run the 8 neuts almost forever and no nano recon or hac will survive the rest of your gang after they pass under 25 km from you.

You can in fact easily nullify 3 to 4 recons at same time this way. You won catch all. but if you have some reasonable tackler you will kill a few of them before they warp out.

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Originally by: Drek Grapper

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Edited by: Drek Grapper on 21/01/2008 14:39:30

Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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APOC 8 Unstable Heavy neut 3 Cap recharge II 1 Power Relay II rest passive tank. Egres ports in rig slots. You can run the 8 neuts almost forever and no nano recon or hac will survive the rest of your gang after they pass under 25 km from you.

You can in fact easily nullify 3 to 4 recons at same time this way. You won catch all. but if you have some reasonable tackler you will kill a few of them before they warp out.

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Actually I belive the problem lies in the fact that Nano ships are something that CANNOT be countered by simply applying more firepower or tank to the problem, which has proven to be the #1 way to solve any problem in eve since I've played. All of a suddent people find that all the firepower in the universe doesn't really do much to these things and we are all quite confused by the problem. Thus my solution of invulerability fields that live up to their name. But only for me.

Yeah but this means people will have to change tactics and ship fittings and all this other invonvenient stuff. It's too hard to change and to much of a drain on brain resources to have to think of other ways to play the game. People are happy with thier cookie-cutter setups and BS Blobs...why change when a perfectly engineered whine takes less effort....

I mean really...a counter? Thats just poppycock!!

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Originally by: Beth Heke

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Nano-gangs are lame as hell

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Originally by: Everyone Dies

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Edited by: Everyone Dies on 20/01/2008 15:46:58
There's really nothing you can do other than recruit huginn/rapier pilots spend, 100's millions on faction webs, or gimp your BS with neuts but that won't guarantee that you will kill or even catch them.

The problem with speed is that it's no different than fitting WCS without the scan res penalties which is obviously a broken mechanic. Nanof4gs will tell you otherwise but they are just defending their cheap tactics/exploits. Everyone wants their overpowered setup but eventually CCP will smash them to bits.

CCP wants people to stay engaged in battles not run like girls. That's why they nerfed WCS in the first place. These nanof4gs are going against natural EVE law.

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Originally by: Semkhet

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Ah... The uber complexed antinano whiner of excellence. A pity your hate of nanowarfare only competes with your abysmal tactical knowledge

You can decimate nanogangs without even needing webs. Split a decent sniper BS wing into two squads who cover each other at 150 Km, and use med/lil drones for point defense if necessary. Pop the falcons first.

And FYI genius, the majority of nanopilots would have no problem using conventional tanks, since the kind of warfare you refer to is the realm they come from since long, long time ago

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Originally by: Derek Sigres

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Edited by: Derek Sigres on 21/01/2008 16:11:07

Originally by: Drek Grapper

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Edited by: Drek Grapper on 21/01/2008 14:39:30

Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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APOC 8 Unstable Heavy neut 3 Cap recharge II 1 Power Relay II rest passive tank. Egres ports in rig slots. You can run the 8 neuts almost forever and no nano recon or hac will survive the rest of your gang after they pass under 25 km from you.

You can in fact easily nullify 3 to 4 recons at same time this way. You won catch all. but if you have some reasonable tackler you will kill a few of them before they warp out.

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Actually I belive the problem lies in the fact that Nano ships are something that CANNOT be countered by simply applying more firepower or tank to the problem, which has proven to be the #1 way to solve any problem in eve since I've played. All of a suddent people find that all the firepower in the universe doesn't really do much to these things and we are all quite confused by the problem. Thus my solution of invulerability fields that live up to their name. But only for me.

Yeah but this means people will have to change tactics and ship fittings and all this other invonvenient stuff. It's too hard to change and to much of a drain on brain resources to have to think of other ways to play the game. People are happy with thier cookie-cutter setups and BS Blobs...why change when a perfectly engineered whine takes less effort....

I mean really...a counter? Thats just poppycock!!

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I think the real problem is Nano Gangs are the first problem that isn't easily overcome by application of more firepower, which has proven to solve all problems in eve since I've played the game.

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Originally by: Beth Heke

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Nano-gangs are lame as hell, but they lose most of their effectiveness in Fleet PVP (ie: not ganking like a typical nano-tard).

Heavy Neuts on a BS will make them disengage when they get low on cap and being in a loosely packed fleet means they'll get in someone's web range eventually and eat some damage (although they'll still have enough speed to escape usually). You will be able to chase them off, but actually killing them is very difficult.

Nano-HACs and Recons chew up Interceptors.

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These pilots are truly the greatest in the game, as there is alot more than your ships top-speed in teh count for a good nano-gang.

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BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!

Why yes, setting orbit to 20km and being able to disengage at any time, while being virtually immune to damage by flying in excess of 5.6k/s takes a huge amount of skill!

HUGE ammounts!

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Originally by: Everyone Dies

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Edited by: Everyone Dies on 20/01/2008 15:46:58
There's really nothing you can do other than recruit huginn/rapier pilots spend, 100's millions on faction webs, or gimp your BS with neuts but that won't guarantee that you will kill or even catch them.

The problem with speed is that it's no different than fitting WCS without the scan res penalties which is obviously a broken mechanic. Nanof4gs will tell you otherwise but they are just defending their cheap tactics/exploits. Everyone wants their overpowered setup but eventually CCP will smash them to bits.

CCP wants people to stay engaged in battles not run like girls. That's why they nerfed WCS in the first place. These nanof4gs are going against natural EVE law.

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Well, it certainly take more skills for FC's to lead a bunch of peeps where the slowest one goes at 5 Km/sec. Using EW, neuts, guns, drones & missiles blah blah blah....

Let's be realistic, if you think that it's more complicated to sit on a gate in F1-F8 mode, maybe you should look for a game which does not require an IQ score above impairement metrics...

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Originally by: Beth Heke

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Orbit at 20km (avoiding virtually all damage)

Press F1-F6

Scoop loot or disengage

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Originally by: Beth Heke

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Well, it certainly take more skills for FC's to lead a bunch of peeps where the slowest one goes at 5 Km/sec. Using EW, neuts, guns, drones & missiles blah blah blah....

Let's be realistic, if you think that it's more complicated to sit on a gate in F1-F8 mode, maybe you should look for a game which does not require an IQ score above impairement metrics...

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Orbit at 20km (avoiding virtually all damage)

Press F1-F6

Scoop loot or disengage

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Originally by: Dray

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Get a f***king clue please, no really get a clue, fly them and then come back and tell me its that easy, as semkhet has said in gangs its not just about orbit and pressing function keys, maybe against a solo npcer too stupid to watch local, but then again whether its a nanoship or not isnt the issue, ganking npcers is easy.

Adapt thats all you have to do, and one of the more common reasons for nanogangs is not having to worry about big camps at low sec, 0.0 chokes.

From this "nanofag" to all you "whiningnonnanofags" even if speed does get nerfed we'll find another way to p1ss on you, so you can cry about and nerf something else.

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Originally by: Beth Heke

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Originally by: Dray

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Get a f***king clue please, no really get a clue, fly them and then come back and tell me its that easy, as semkhet has said in gangs its not just about orbit and pressing function keys, maybe against a solo npcer too stupid to watch local, but then again whether its a nanoship or not isnt the issue, ganking npcers is easy.

Adapt thats all you have to do, and one of the more common reasons for nanogangs is not having to worry about big camps at low sec, 0.0 chokes.

From this "nanofag" to all you "whiningnonnanofags" even if speed does get nerfed we'll find another way to p1ss on you, so you can cry about and nerf something else.

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Yeah, against anything bigger than a small gang, you're going to occasionally have to DOUBLECLICK IN SPACE (oh noes).

The coming patch is going to be hilarious, with all the nano-abusers crying and complaining that their 130m HAC isn't immune to damage and impossible to catch anymore.

As for Tri 'p1ssing on' anyone, the last I saw was you guys fleeing from Catch like a bunch of frightened schoolgirls after attempting (and failing) to take down Inflatable House

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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon

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Lol seeing a 20 gang of all recons, nano'd or not, would be a NIGHTMARE to any fleet of relatively same size.

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Originally by: Beth Heke

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Originally by: Dray

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Get a f***king clue please, no really get a clue, fly them and then come back and tell me its that easy, as semkhet has said in gangs its not just about orbit and pressing function keys, maybe against a solo npcer too stupid to watch local, but then again whether its a nanoship or not isnt the issue, ganking npcers is easy.

Adapt thats all you have to do, and one of the more common reasons for nanogangs is not having to worry about big camps at low sec, 0.0 chokes.

From this "nanofag" to all you "whiningnonnanofags" even if speed does get nerfed we'll find another way to p1ss on you, so you can cry about and nerf something else.

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Yeah, against anything bigger than a small gang, you're going to occasionally have to DOUBLECLICK IN SPACE (oh noes).

The coming patch is going to be hilarious, with all the nano-abusers crying and complaining that their 130m HAC isn't immune to damage and impossible to catch anymore.

As for Tri 'p1ssing on' anyone, the last I saw was you guys fleeing from Catch like a bunch of frightened schoolgirls after attempting (and failing) to take down Inflatable House

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Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon

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Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 21/01/2008 22:54:44
Lol seeing a 20 gang of all recons, nano'd or not, would be a NIGHTMARE to any fleet of relatively same size. I'd just run the hell away fast as you can tbh :)
Fortunately I've not seen many people with the organization or desire to field large quantities of recons.

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As much as it makes me sick to agree with Tri on anything..
Anyone who whines on the forums about this and that is going to whine even if speed gets nerfed. If you can't manage to handle nanos, you won't be able to handle anything beyond the norm.
So whine and whine and hope some dev is sympathetic to your cause, but that likely won't happen as every dev I've worked with has had at least a splash of intelligence and creativity and wouldn't have problems countering nano gangs :P

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Because it's always the same bunch of people scattered through EvE which is a step ahead

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Originally by: Everyone Dies

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Edited by: Everyone Dies on 20/01/2008 15:46:58
There's really nothing you can do other than recruit huginn/rapier pilots spend, 100's millions on faction webs, or gimp your BS with neuts but that won't guarantee that you will kill or even catch them.

The problem with speed is that it's no different than fitting WCS without the scan res penalties which is obviously a broken mechanic. Nanof4gs will tell you otherwise but they are just defending their cheap tactics/exploits. Everyone wants their overpowered setup but eventually CCP will smash them to bits.

CCP wants people to stay engaged in battles not run like girls. That's why they nerfed WCS in the first place. These nanof4gs are going against natural EVE law.

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Originally by: Polly Prissypantz

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Originally by: Everyone Dies

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Edited by: Everyone Dies on 20/01/2008 15:46:58
There's really nothing you can do other than recruit huginn/rapier pilots spend, 100's millions on faction webs, or gimp your BS with neuts but that won't guarantee that you will kill or even catch them.

The problem with speed is that it's no different than fitting WCS without the scan res penalties which is obviously a broken mechanic. Nanof4gs will tell you otherwise but they are just defending their cheap tactics/exploits. Everyone wants their overpowered setup but eventually CCP will smash them to bits.

CCP wants people to stay engaged in battles not run like girls. That's why they nerfed WCS in the first place. These nanof4gs are going against natural EVE law.

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This.

And yes, I do fly nano ships on a regular basis. Those that deny that nano's are overpowered compared to tanked ships are simply in denial.

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Originally by: Wardeneo

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Edited by: Wardeneo on 22/01/2008 09:53:45
Kagura Nikon, great sig... and so true, ima steal this from ya :)

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