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Omeega
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: xRazoRx
convince RA to invest in titan production > scam RA > sell to highest bidder > surrender to RA and evacuate > PROFIT!
ohgod, ohgod, my belly hurts so much.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:26:00 -
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And let this continual debasement and grovelling of DMC be a lesson to the rest of you.
BOB may well have had "pets" but clearly RA just has suckers. -
- Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345 |

Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:29:00 -
[33]
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Trusting RA a second time?
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Jain Za
Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:32:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Jain Za on 20/01/2008 22:32:57
Quote: How could this happen to DMC?
Clicky + listen
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Maitre Yoda
Viking Clan Absolute Guardians Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:33:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ptinoz
Originally by: Berrik Radhok That's what you get for not reading the fine print, sucker!
Well, as I compared it; Northern Coalition honored their NAP with all involved, so itŠs not a question about reading fineprint as I see it.
To the favor of RA I at least gotta say that as far as I know themself and Ka-Tet has stood by their words, and my post is aimed to bring attention to their allies that showing a real low standard attacking their masters beaten victims.
My thought was that maybe, just maybe - RA themseld didnŠt approve to this behavior - but instead itŠs some going renegade and need to be put in place. Perhaps a long shoot, but I wrote this to bring light to actions taken place.
Merry christmas 
Perhaps, just perhaps, RA don't care about your not being able to evacuate...
And perhaps, RA are not about to tell their friends what to do on that unimportant matter. _________________ Don't Panic! |

dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:37:00 -
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During my evacuation from the north under a temp nap, i learned some hard lessons. Do not move your stuff without a defence gang. Protect each others retreat and you should be fine. Also you now have an advantage because no longer do you have to fend off RA and Ka tet: very capable pvp entities in drone land. Their "freinds" are not that capable and believe me easy to kill off. Dont be the hunted, be the hunter. GL to ya
[gold]I driks lots [gold] [/URL] |

Ptinoz
Caldari Northern Shadowrunners Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Trusting RA a second time?
Well - the case is hardly that any member or leader is really trusting them.
This was more a post to find out, or point out how they do their buisness. If they didnŠt know/approve of this actions they now have opportunity to make this clear by fixing it - otherwise this post is merely to point out in public how they run their show.
So itŠs not as all DMC is that naive, but as a weaker alliance versus seven stronger alliances you many times canŠt just decide how you wish things to be and make it happen. U might have to play the bad cards that you really donŠt have much hope in. But the stronger alliances will anyhow show their morale when they got the power to do how it seems them fit to do, since the resistance is taken care of.
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DeckardIRL
The Randoms THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:43:00 -
[38]
And people thought Bob were bad...
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |

Lenaria
Caldari Ursa Ritor
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:44:00 -
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I dont know about Ultima Ratio - they indeed mostly follow RA standings - but xDeathx are sure independed and always had much smaller list of blues than RA. If you want safe evacuate - ask your friends CI/Atlas. Without RA and Ka-tet blob presence that should be more than enouth to safely evacuate - but ofc you'll need at least a little organisation... ==============================================
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Maitre Yoda
Viking Clan Absolute Guardians Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ptinoz
Originally by: Gnulpie Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Trusting RA a second time?
Well - the case is hardly that any member or leader is really trusting them.
This was more a post to find out, or point out how they do their buisness. If they didnŠt know/approve of this actions they now have opportunity to make this clear by fixing it - otherwise this post is merely to point out in public how they run their show.
So itŠs not as all DMC is that naive, but as a weaker alliance versus seven stronger alliances you many times canŠt just decide how you wish things to be and make it happen. U might have to play the bad cards that you really donŠt have much hope in. But the stronger alliances will anyhow show their morale when they got the power to do how it seems them fit to do, since the resistance is taken care of.
After smacking the crap out of RA and Russians in general you want them to show mercy? I am surprized you even got the NAP. _________________ Don't Panic! |

Tavernier
R.u.S.H. Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tavernier on 20/01/2008 22:46:13
Originally by: DeckardIRL And people thought Bob were bad...
Its all a mistake BOB where the good guys. RA are the evil ones because they gave DMC a NAP.
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Hitme Harder
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:47:00 -
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So hold on, you think that a NAP means they are going to protect your assets? That ended when they declared you KOS. NAP != protection
Axiom Empire's status: WHO? |

DeckardIRL
The Randoms THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:49:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Tavernier RA are the evil ones
Well said.
Deck
Whiskey For CAOD at its best |

Ask Unbeatable
Tenacious Danes
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:51:00 -
[44]
RA nor Ka-Tet are breaking any NAPs here. Your diplomats just simply didn't think about all the other alliances in Eve 
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:51:00 -
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What are you talking about, then the new Northern Coalition surrendered, not all of the north complied with it.
Not only do you have terrible leaders, no wait, that's it really, you have terrible leaders, and I urge you to rebuild under different people.
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Ptinoz
Caldari Northern Shadowrunners Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hitme Harder So hold on, you think that a NAP means they are going to protect your assets? That ended when they declared you KOS. NAP != protection
Nope. But I expect them to be able to withdraw the same guns they brought during the siege.
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 22:59:00 -
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I remember this time in a DMC frigate op where we killed a CPU ship in a belt. The pilot sent me a hate mail for my gang killing him. The pilot blamed me for a mistake that the CPU diplomats had made.
It appears that the OP is doing the same thing in this thread. You should be talking to your own diplomats rather than having a public discussion.
Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Yeah it's a pain in the rear when you get probed out. I've had it happen to me on a couple of occasions.
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Devian 666 You should be talking to your own diplomats rather than having a public discussion.
Wont help, they are in jita, sipping mojito.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ptinoz Edited by: Ptinoz on 20/01/2008 21:33:04 Edited by: Ptinoz on 20/01/2008 21:32:30 Recently DMC surrendered to RA and allies and RA/Ka-Tet signed an evacuation-NAP where DMC get one week with blue standings to named parties and that time to get our stuff out of our conquered space. So far, so "good".
What wasnŠt mentioned is that all allies (xxdeath, Ultima Ratio, Ethereal Dawn, Intrepic Crossing) that aided RA/Ka-Tet in the siege of DMC space wasnŠt only to remain red (we knew that), but they would also gatecamp the route out of our constellation (as well as cyno-route) and from time to time our stations. Besides this use cloakers/traps at our jumpbridges to kill easy targets.
Is it RA that canŠt keep their allied in place, or their allied that doesnŠt honor ther masters deals? As I know it you donŠt shoot at those that surrenderd and shows white flag in wars - and I think RA should make sure their allies donŠt bring more bad reputation to this situation by having such a messed up NAP.
DMC has surrendered. RA has offered us one week to get out. Can RA make their allied stop interfering with this deal - plz.
I'd prefere and all blue local from all active in this siege to see this nap made in same respectful way as Northern Coalition gave the invaders of their space when they surrendered. Can RA make this happen? I know U only need to give the order to fix it.
And - no, the fact that itŠs different alliances on the paper isnŠt a matter - all knows that mentioned parts wouldnŠt do anything unless RA either ordered it or approved it. To say itŠs out of RA control isnŠt an answer that I see fit.
next time look up 'bilateral treaty' before expecting security
also hurry up and die/get out already
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Father Muslum
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:39:00 -
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You just traded your entire alliance and your future for a titan. Goodbye, Good riddance.
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Father Muslum You just traded your entire alliance and your future for a titan. Goodbye, Good riddance.
For nothing tbh. They just could sell the titan as it was agreed on.
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CARY
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:51:00 -
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I am sorry to hear that of DMC, I have always found many of you good Players and few old friends in DMC from the Oxide Alliance. I wish you all well and I hope DMC will continue to be a part of the EVE World.
Again Good Luck guys and fly safe.
Salute
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Daelan Lok'errt
OMNYX Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ptinoz
And - no, the fact that itŠs different alliances on the paper isnŠt a matter - all knows that mentioned parts wouldnŠt do anything unless RA either ordered it or approved it. To say itŠs out of RA control isnŠt an answer that I see fit.
thanks for making me lol.
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General Windypops
Gallente Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:53:00 -
[54]
LOL at coalition in-fighting.
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Kvaell
Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.20 23:59:00 -
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Heck even I find this amusing.
People who are not blue to us are perfectly fine to shoot us. Just deal with it. I have moved my stuff away from the outposts with a T1 hauler without getting killed (or a single ceptor shot at me while i was waiting for docking in but who cares?)
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: xRazoRx on 21/01/2008 00:06:40
Originally by: Kvaell Heck even I find this amusing.
People who are not blue to us are perfectly fine to shoot us. Just deal with it. I have moved my stuff away from the outposts with a T1 hauler without getting killed (or a single ceptor shot at me while i was waiting for docking in but who cares?)
Congrats
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Oofig VanDoogan
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:14:00 -
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I lol'd  ---------------------------------------------- Full circle. |

umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:16:00 -
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Man i love watching carebear alliances die
Also RA they called you dishonorable AGAIN... start shooting them again now 
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Ptinoz
Caldari Northern Shadowrunners Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn Man i love watching carebear alliances die
Also RA they called you dishonorable AGAIN... start shooting them again now 
No - that was aimed to the allies. I even said RA and Ka-Tet had stood by their part, but the other alliances involved in the siege continued to harrass the alliance that surrendered and had an evacuation-nap.
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Medory
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Te-Ka
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Posted - 2008.01.21 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ptinoz Edited by: Ptinoz on 20/01/2008 21:33:04 Edited by: Ptinoz on 20/01/2008 21:32:30
DMC has surrendered. RA has offered us one week to get out. Can RA make their allied stop interfering with this deal - plz.
Can't speak with any real authority on this, but I had heard it was three (3) days - (shrugs)
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