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Sylvaan Skyfire	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:55:00 - [1] Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Everything is about making isk even going as far as to make it possible to buy game time for isk. Even one of the newest skills, salvaging, adds to this constant mind-numbing isk grind. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? CCP, when will you take the focus in this game off constantly making isk? There should be more to it than this, but in all honesty, there really isn't.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.20 21:59:00 - [2] You don't actually have to grind to make ISK though, that's the thing. --- MOZO
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:00:00 - [3] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Everything is about making isk even going as far as to make it possible to buy game time for isk. Even one of the newest skills, salvaging, adds to this constant mind-numbing isk grind. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? CCP, when will you take the focus in this game off constantly making isk? There should be more to it than this, but in all honesty, there really isn't. well you can sit in your hangar and fly your ibis/reaper/velator/impiraror(sp) and laugh at those suckers who get isk for nice things.
Sylvaan Skyfire	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Sylvaan Skyfire on 20/01/2008 22:01:47 Originally by: Asestorian You don't actually have to grind to make ISK though, that's the thing. Yes you do. Mining, missions, salvaging, ratting....it's pretty much all a grind, just in different forms.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:01:00 - [5] I take it you are the same poster as Anthriel Skyfire. Hopefully this thread will be locked as well as it seems to be a rant just like the last one.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Asestorian on 20/01/2008 22:01:52 Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Asestorian You don't actually have to grind to make ISK though, that's the thing. Yes you do. Mining, missions, ratting....it's pretty much all a grind, just in different forms. Yeah, but you don't have to do those things to make ISK. Edit: And I'm not talking about GTCs. --- MOZO
Sylvaan Skyfire	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Vladimir Ilych I take it you are the same poster as Anthriel Skyfire. Hopefully this thread will be locked as well as it seems to be a rant just like the last one. Yes, because every concern is a rant right....? If you can't add anything constructive to the conversation, don't post please.
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:03:00 - [8] agree isks = xp
Miss Ore Caldari Thiefs United	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:06:00 - [9] Why we care about money in real life? Think about it and there's your answer to your iskies gonna mad question...
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Vladimir Ilych I take it you are the same poster as Anthriel Skyfire. Hopefully this thread will be locked as well as it seems to be a rant just like the last one. Yes, because every concern is a rant right....? If you can't add anything constructive to the conversation, don't post please. What do you suggest then? You are good at having "concerns" but what are your suggestions to resolve them?
Sylvaan Skyfire	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Vladimir Ilych I take it you are the same poster as Anthriel Skyfire. Hopefully this thread will be locked as well as it seems to be a rant just like the last one. Yes, because every concern is a rant right....? If you can't add anything constructive to the conversation, don't post please. What do you suggest then? You are good at having "concerns" but what are your suggestions to resolve them? That isn't my job. That's CCP's job. My job as a player is to point out things that are wrong with the game.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:15:00 - [12] Well, you've pointed it out, now's that point where you suggest something that can help, and various other members have a discussion on the validity of your points. Well? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:16:00 - [13] Thats one way to look at it. CCP might not agree with you though.
Shwedagon Paya	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire That isn't my job. That's CCP's job. My job as a player is to point out things that are wrong with the game. Oh noes, you have to do stuff to get ISK! I just came up with a solution! CCP can deposit a billion ISK in everyone's wallet every week. That would solve everything.
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:30:00 - [15] Edited by: Luh Windan on 20/01/2008 22:30:18 Originally by: Shwedagon Paya Oh noes, you have to do stuff to get ISK! I just came up with a solution! CCP can deposit a billion ISK in everyone's wallet every week. That would solve everything. That's not enough - they should send some one round our houses to play the game for us as well. Pressing those keys and moving that mouse, shooting those spaceships and hauling that loot - what drudgery!!1! The things we are forced to do eh?
Shikaku Minmatar Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:30:00 - [16] maybe you should try the test server instead...
Julius Romanus Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:34:00 - [17] Step One: Fit Probe Launcher Step Two: Find Lowsec Mission Hub Step Three: Ransom
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Everything is about making isk even going as far as to make it possible to buy game time for isk. Even one of the newest skills, salvaging, adds to this constant mind-numbing isk grind. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? CCP, when will you take the focus in this game off constantly making isk? There should be more to it than this, but in all honesty, there really isn't. Because it is through the economics of EVE that you can accumulate stuff and loose it. Having ISK mean the death penalty for loosing your ship is lessened. That is way it hurts a poor character more when you pop his ship, while the rich guy just shrugs his shoulders, puts a bounty out on your head, fits a new ship, and goes about his business. Ahh.. the beauty that is EVE *** "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men." Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:37:00 - [19] You see the thing is for me Mr Skyfire that I enjoy doing things in this game. The PvE, the exploration, the manufacturing, a bit of group mining and some PvP. All but the last produce me ISK but that is not my central objective. The action itself carries the purpose. The ISK is a nice afterthought that lets me buy shiny ships and get them blown up or sometimes blow other peoples stuff up. You seem to find the action of making ISK intolerable, gaining no fun in the activates that create it. I donÆt see the acquisition of ISK as the central and end goal. You appear to see it as just that though.
Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:39:00 - [20] Trade Research Make isk in your sleep. Plus people can make enough to get buy without grinding, and indeed people may like some of the forms of making isk. PvP also(piracy, merc work). Or offer other services to players. Its a box of sand out there O_o ----
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:53:00 - [21] "Your lack of imagination and initiative does not constitute a game flaw." - Ranger 1
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.20 22:55:00 - [22] Wasn't there a thread yesterday about how it was too easy to get isk and nobody had to grind for it any more, and that made the OP a sad panda?
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:09:00 - [23] if your grinding it your doing something wrong, its far from just an isk grind, i never ever grind isk just kill stuff and if you kill the right things you never have to grind it ever.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.20 23:12:00 - [24] lets see... buy skill book jump sell skill book profit make eve-o video for corp, put on you tube, profit are you saying that real jobs are a grind to? I send 4 hours making a video I get blah isk I spend 4 hours at work I get 40 bucks. life is a grind too mate sorry.
Sylvaan Skyfire	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Wasn't there a thread yesterday about how it was too easy to get isk and nobody had to grind for it any more, and that made the OP a sad panda? It is too easy to make but that doesn't take away from the fact that this whole game is just built around making it in the first place. There are no alternatives to getting ships or ship equipment outside of making isk then buying said items. Rinse and repeat.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Dirk Magnum Wasn't there a thread yesterday about how it was too easy to get isk and nobody had to grind for it any more, and that made the OP a sad panda? It is too easy to make but that doesn't take away from the fact that this whole game is just built around making it in the first place. There are no alternatives to getting ships or ship equipment outside of making isk then buying said items. Rinse and repeat. You keep saying this, but keep refusing to think about a potential solution or way to alleviate this problem. You've clearly made your statement, why post if you aren't going to add to the discussion beyond this? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Rufus MacMaranth Shadow Front Lost Children of Eve	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:20:00 - [27] Rubbish. You can rat, mission and explore for stuff. You can make your own stuff. Take your pick. Such a lot of BS from someone who is clueless. Ruf.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:20:00 - [28] I don't run missions, I don't mine and I don't buy GTC's. I do not spend my time making isk, I spend my time having fun and make isk on the side. If I WOULD need to make isk there's a lot of options open that do not take any sort of grinding or hours of work. That is how it is, if you ignore what is said earlier on this (exactly the same as me) and keep going on about how much of a grind things are instead of actually thinking (or asking) about what other options there are then that's really just your problem.
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire It is too easy to make but that doesn't take away from the fact that this whole game is just built around making it in the first place. There are no alternatives to getting ships or ship equipment outside of making isk then buying said items. Rinse and repeat. Let me guess... You would like to be able to do a corps run for your ship after having it exploded. Am I right? huh? Am I? If so.. go back to WOW. Why is it such a problem for you? The accumulation of wealth. It's what empires/Alliances are built upon. The financial and political power to control certain aspect of the EVE universe. *** "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men." Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Dirk Magnum Wasn't there a thread yesterday about how it was too easy to get isk and nobody had to grind for it any more, and that made the OP a sad panda? It is too easy to make but that doesn't take away from the fact that this whole game is just built around making it in the first place. There are no alternatives to getting ships or ship equipment outside of making isk then buying said items. Rinse and repeat. You know... I get the same problems in counter strike... I gotta buy the guns, and use them.... rinse and repeat () () (â;..;)â (")(")

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