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Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Everything is about making isk even going as far as to make it possible to buy game time for isk. Even one of the newest skills, salvaging, adds to this constant mind-numbing isk grind. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? CCP, when will you take the focus in this game off constantly making isk? There should be more to it than this, but in all honesty, there really isn't. EvE has an active economy, and therefore opportunity costs. If everyone suddenly had more ISK, the stuff that everyone wanted would suddenly cost more. At the end of the day, the basic unit of exchange is player effort. If someone with equivalent abilities is prepared to put more time in to getting some item than you are, he will get it and you won't. Your options are to either improve your ISK making potential, increase the effort you invest or lower your expectations. Damb... just like the real world, really. As others have hinted: work smarter. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire It is too easy to make but that doesn't take away from the fact that this whole game is just built around making it in the first place. There are no alternatives to getting ships or ship equipment outside of making isk then buying said items. Rinse and repeat. If so.. go back to WOW. If this is the same Anthriel Skyfire as in the Amarr npc chat then about the only thing that one does is spam the same three lines of text over and over in the chat. "SWA 4 LIF" "AMARR SUCK" and "GO BACK TO WOW AMARR NOOBZ". Whats funny is the he admitted to playing wow and eve at the same time on his supposed dual 104" HDTVs. He was quickly blocked by everyone though. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.21 00:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Dirk Magnum Wasn't there a thread yesterday about how it was too easy to get isk and nobody had to grind for it any more, and that made the OP a sad panda? It is too easy to make but that doesn't take away from the fact that this whole game is just built around making it in the first place. There are no alternatives to getting ships or ship equipment outside of making isk then buying said items. Rinse and repeat. You keep saying this, but keep refusing to think about a potential solution or way to alleviate this problem. You've clearly made your statement, why post if you aren't going to add to the discussion beyond this? Because whining is easier than thinking. OP translates to: I WANT SHINEY OFFICER STUFF NOW MY MOM SAYS I AM SPECIAL SO I DESERVE IT NOW NOW NOW NOW. I await with amused anticipation the OP's inevitable purchase of ISK and subsequent loss of his faction fitted Machariel (or whatever ISKmobile he thinks will give him the level of pwn he so clearly deserves) as described in a bitter alt-post that blames everyone but himself for everything. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
DroneBay Diva Universal Industries Inc	Posted - 2008.01.21 01:24:00 - [34] I've noticed general discussion really sucks today. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nanofag
Sylvaan Skyfire	Posted - 2008.01.21 03:44:00 - [35] Edited by: Sylvaan Skyfire on 21/01/2008 03:44:38 If you have no contributions to make to this topic except to attempt to ridicule me as if it would bother me in some way, then go elsewhere. This topic is about being forced by CCP to constantly make isk in some way or another just to keep afloat in the game. Missions need to give something else besides isk all the time. How about special ship equipment or even special ships themselves? There should be special rat outposts that give rare loot that can't be obtained anymore else. Not just outposts in deadspace from missions. How about when you kill someone in pvp, you can loot something special from the wreck of their ship, say dog tags or something, that allows you to turn it in for some kind of loot? Just a few suggestions that people said I should have come up with and I did.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.01.21 03:45:00 - [36] Originally by: DroneBay Diva I've noticed general discussion really sucks today. I've noticed it's pretty much always this bad
FuQue	Posted - 2008.01.21 03:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Umm because ISK = ISK to them?
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2008.01.21 05:00:00 - [38] Applesauce.
Davos Breemer	Posted - 2008.01.21 05:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Let me guess... You would like to be able to do a corps run for your ship after having it exploded. Am I right? huh? Am I? Hate to break it to you but, if you don't get podded, you're making a corpse run for your ship
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.21 07:03:00 - [40] k so let em understand this some guy, lets call him "lame" makes a thread with no real point, not even a supporting case for his whine then proceeds to ask everyone not to post in it because they clearly understand the game? and you people aren't seeing that its an OBVIOUS troll? please do not feed the troll well unless the troll is me, i like to be fed Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.21 07:07:00 - [41] Edited by: Richard Phallus on 21/01/2008 07:08:27 Obvious trolls need food too! edit also to OP, they keep pigeon-holing you because your aptitute tests show you just aren't fit for anything other than janitorial work cleaning the high sec belts. Sorry. --
Vincent Rainbow Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.21 07:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Missions need to give something else besides isk all the time. How about special ship equipment or even special ships themselves? /facepalm
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.01.21 07:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Missions need to give something else besides isk all the time. How about special ship equipment or even special ships themselves? There should be special rat outposts that give rare loot that can't be obtained anymore else. Not just outposts in deadspace from missions. You have just almost perfectly described 1. Loyalty points 2. Exploration
DroneBay Diva Universal Industries Inc	Posted - 2008.01.21 08:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Vincent Rainbow Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Missions need to give something else besides isk all the time. How about special ship equipment or even special ships themselves? /facepalm /headdesk _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nanofag
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.21 08:11:00 - [45] Originally by: DroneBay Diva Originally by: Vincent Rainbow Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Missions need to give something else besides isk all the time. How about special ship equipment or even special ships themselves? /facepalm /headdesk /keyboard slap *** "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men." Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees
Cyne Spurr Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.21 08:21:00 - [46] Edited by: Cyne Spurr on 21/01/2008 08:23:13 Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Everything is about making isk even going as far as to make it possible to buy game time for isk. Even one of the newest skills, salvaging, adds to this constant mind-numbing isk grind. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? CCP, when will you take the focus in this game off constantly making isk? There should be more to it than this, but in all honesty, there really isn't. So far I have not seen any MMO where this is not the case, there is allways "grind" of some form or another. Its either XP,Items,money,Loyalty.. The other thing about MMOs (EvE included) is that you get out of the game what you put into it. When I first started we made a nice little corp, we ran missions together, mined, had fun..To be honest it was the flying around in space with a cool group of people that mattered more than the ISKs.. Even Now they are pretty much irrelevent to me, I dont have to make any major effort to get things for my ships and certainly I dont find myself having to go out and "grind" to get ISK. ISKs just happen :D Seriously, get yourself into a fun and socialble corp and the game becomes a lot better.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.01.21 08:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Edited by: Sylvaan Skyfire on 21/01/2008 03:44:38 If you have no contributions to make to this topic Perhaps you should make something we could contribute to? What would you contribute to this sentence? "WAAAA, my glass of milk it empty!!" I hear a lot of "Then go fill it up" kinda replies, just like you've got in this thread. And besides, every MMO consists of grinds. EvE only has the ISK grind, covered in mining, missions, trade, R&D, manufaturing and ratting. Look at WoW, it has a gold grind, reputation grind and an item grind. There is no items in EvE that are "bind on pickup", hence no item grind. So if you don't like to grind ISK, go and grind gold and items in WoW?
Kale Kold Caldari V i r u s	Posted - 2008.01.21 09:42:00 - [48] I make isk by blowing people up and selling their modules/cargo. I wouldn't call it a grind though. Mwhahaha
Zinras Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.21 09:52:00 - [49] Dear OP, can I have your stuff?
Iskandara Cho	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Laura Steel Its a box of sand out there O_o I've never understood the idea that 'sandbox' = 'a good thing'. Go find a box of sand in the real world. Odds are a cat has found it before you and you are playing among clumps of waste....
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:34:00 - [51] Theoretically you can make a trading character and never ever leave a station in your whole EVE career and treat it as a huge economical simulator. No grind just speculating and investing. Go go gadget excelspreadsheet! Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up*
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:41:00 - [52] So OP, tell me: what would you like to do in EVE? --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
heheheh Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:44:00 - [53] I dont always feel the need to make isk and i dont ever grind for it, what sort of topic is this ? seems your the only one that thinks this so maybe that should tell you something ??
DOC PIC	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:45:00 - [54] IBTL /
heheheh Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:48:00 - [55] because pigeons if not holed will leave their crap everywhere, hang on, seems your not pigeon holed afterall.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:51:00 - [56] EvE online is the fishermansfriend of MMORPG's and stop moaning, we all started with an ibis/velator fitted with a civilian gun and miner 1. I dont see this changing in the near future
Ihmen Shank	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Why does CCP keep wanting to pigeon-hole the players into a constant grind for isk? Everything is about making isk even going as far as to make it possible to buy game time for isk. Even one of the newest skills, salvaging, adds to this constant mind-numbing isk grind. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? CCP, when will you take the focus in this game off constantly making isk? There should be more to it than this, but in all honesty, there really isn't. Actually I make isk by blowing other people up and selling what's left. Have done since a week into the game with an ishkur and continue to do it now in an Ishtar. Everything I have is bought using the ISK gained from blowing other people up. Hardly a grind. You just want everything for free because you're lazy, probably used to things being handed to you on a plate like in other MMOs.
Dracon O'Conner	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Originally by: Vladimir Ilych I take it you are the same poster as Anthriel Skyfire. Hopefully this thread will be locked as well as it seems to be a rant just like the last one. Yes, because every concern is a rant right....? If you can't add anything constructive to the conversation, don't post please. What do you suggest then? You are good at having "concerns" but what are your suggestions to resolve them? That isn't my job. That's CCP's job. My job as a player is to point out things that are wrong with the game. And how is this wrong? In any society, the drive to attain money, in which ever currency type it's called is paramount. This is human nature. The desire to have "more", "Better", "Bigger" etc. Games, having been created by people, will tend to have this same drive built into them. It's a reflection on our life and the societies we live in. If you don't want to 'grind for isk' as you say, then you really may just consider not playing any MMORPG at all, because realistically, thats what their all about. To put it in another fashion. Nothing is free. Everything has a value. And the "barter" system is just another method of doing the same thing. So be honest, "grind for ISK", use it, give it away, hoard it, or whatever, or just stop playing the game as your "unhappy with it" otherwise, STFU about it cause thats life. Dracon
Ihmen Shank	Posted - 2008.01.21 15:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Missions need to give something else besides isk all the time. How about special ship equipment or even special ships themselves? Erm...Faction ships/equipment/implants for loyalty points? Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire There should be special rat outposts that give rare loot that can't be obtained anymore else. Not just outposts in deadspace from missions. Erm...Cosmos sites/exploration sites? Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire How about when you kill someone in pvp, you can loot something special from the wreck of their ship, say dog tags or something, that allows you to turn it in for some kind of loot? Erm...T2 salvage components? Also (as a side note) why would the Empires offer special loot to people for blowing up other people in the confines of low security space? Makes no sense... Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire Just a few suggestions that people said I should have come up with and I did. Seems to me like most if not all of them already take one for or another. You sir, make me lol.
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.21 16:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Sylvaan Skyfire If you don't believe me, ask yourself this, who do you know, outside of newbies, that doesn't have salvaging? Me. I ask my corpmates for rigs for free, then get them blow-up the day after Tashiell Gao, Minmatar in-side, RolePlayer.

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