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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: 7shining7one7
there's no difference, it's just two beliefs, and the same mechanism. and quite frankly, neither are none the wiser. cause both are walking around with blinders on.
I'm sorry but this is wrong. Several people in this thread have said there's no difference in a religious belief and belief in things like evolutionary theory.
The difference is that evolution (and other scientific theories) are only still in existence and theories because they have been tested and have failed to be disproved.
How does this work? Simple - you theorise, then make observations specifically to attempt to disprove that theory. Whether those are, for instance, observations of the motion of stars & planets in an attempt to disprove Newton's laws of motion or observations of fossil records, genetic linkages, population migrations etc to attempt to disprove evolutionary theory.
Theory - prediction - observation. That's the scientific method and it's an incredibly powerful tool to let us work out, as a society, how the universe works.
On the other hand religious beliefs specifically deny testing via the dogma of faith. Faith means you have to take these ideas as they are presented to you and any attempt to make predictions based upon those theories and then to test them by observation is considered fallacy and a denial of faith. You are considered "not worthy" and "lacking in faith" if you apply, or talk about applying, scientific method to these ideas.
So, before you claim that things like evolution etc are "just beliefs" and are "the same as religion" please think again - they most definitely are not the same.
It depends how far you stretch the definition of god. You can belive in god without being part of a set religion... does that mean you are not religious?
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dheorl on 21/01/2008 13:43:32
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Edited by: Dheorl on 21/01/2008 12:55:13
God "is the creator and sustainer of the universe and all the creatures in it".
Logically this means that god could be the start of the universe and the whole of the current universe so if you don't belive in god you don't belive in exsistence.
now that's interesting.
...but how do you know that the Big Bang was the beginning? Who can tell that it was really a Big Bang that came up from nothing and not actually a Big Crunch?
It doesn't have to (it's just a general theory that this can apply to). Basically what I'm saying is that the universe is self sustaining and therefore the universe IS god. If the universe isn't self sustaining that means that there must be something else to sustain it (god).
P.S. Just picking up on one of your earlier points. The whole "are you a product of god..." Ever read a book called "all the worldly gods" (I think). I persoanlly haven't read it but have talked to people who have and it is apparently a very good read. This point just made me remember it. It may not interest you personally but some people on here may like to read it (there is another similar one but I think thats the one with a stronger relation).
If you can find it please tell me because the only copy I have ever heard of is in a private library (may go off to one of the libararys in the UK that apparently has every published book and see if I can find it). From what I can gather it has been banned in alot of countries which may explain why I haven't been able to get hold of a copy.
I'm gona run and hide now before I find some secret society coming and killing me for mentioning it.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:42:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Edited by: Dheorl on 21/01/2008 12:55:13
God "is the creator and sustainer of the universe and all the creatures in it".
Logically this means that god could be the start of the universe and the whole of the current universe so if you don't belive in god you don't belive in exsistence.
now that's interesting.
...but how do you know that the Big Bang was the beginning? Who can tell that it was really a Big Bang that came up from nothing and not actually a Big Crunch?
It doesn't have to (it's just a general theory that this can apply to). Basically what I'm saying is that the universe is self sustaining and therefore the universe IS god. If the universe isn't self sustaining that means that there must be something else to sustain it (god).
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:45:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Edited by: Dheorl on 21/01/2008 12:55:13
God "is the creator and sustainer of the universe and all the creatures in it".
Logically this means that god could be the start of the universe and the whole of the current universe so if you don't belive in god you don't belive in exsistence.
now that's interesting.
...but how do you know that the Big Bang was the beginning? Who can tell that it was really a Big Bang that came up from nothing and not actually a Big Crunch?
It doesn't have to (it's just a general theory that this can apply to). Basically what I'm saying is that the universe is self sustaining and therefore the universe IS god. If the universe isn't self sustaining that means that there must be something else to sustain it (god).
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:47:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
too wide explanation tbh. God is universe and universe is god. It also implies that it has a will of it's own.
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:50:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
too wide explanation tbh. God is universe and universe is god. It also implies that it has a will of it's own.
Who said anything about god having free will. All I'm saying is that by some definitions of god (or just by stretching some of them a bit) god must be everything or there must be a seperate god in the more traditional sense.
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Apocryphai
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:52:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Apocryphai on 21/01/2008 13:52:47
Originally by: Dheorl
It depends how far you stretch the definition of god. You can belive in god without being part of a set religion... does that mean you are not religious?
That's got nothing to do with the post of mine that you quoted there.
Belief in a specific religious denomination or generalized spiritual beliefs both share the fact that they are untestable, and any predictions you can make based upon thsoe beliefs are also untestable.
This is the opposite of scientific theories which have to be tested to be worth anything at all.
My post was specifically comparing religious beliefs (of any sort) to scientific theory, and was only aimed at those people who were claiming that the two were comparable.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:56:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
too wide explanation tbh. God is universe and universe is god. It also implies that it has a will of it's own.
Who said anything about god having free will. All I'm saying is that by some definitions of god (or just by stretching some of them a bit) god must be everything or there must be a seperate god in the more traditional sense.
you do have a point, but the inner skeptic in me revels with religious issues
"God is everywhere", but I only see matter here. you mean that there's god in that pile of stinky putrefied trash aswell?
"God created us", yeah but how do you know that? did he told you?
those are the 2 main things that religion tells me, and that's how I discuss them.
Show me proof, as in the guy itself showing up in front of me, and I'll accept that there's a god, altho in no shape of way I'll believe in such thing. Untill then I say that every metaphysical omnipotent and omnipresent entity is just a creation of the minds of the ole, trying to cope with the unknown.
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:56:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Apocryphai
Edited by: Apocryphai on 21/01/2008 13:52:47
Originally by: Dheorl
It depends how far you stretch the definition of god. You can belive in god without being part of a set religion... does that mean you are not religious?
That's got nothing to do with the post of mine that you quoted there.
Belief in a specific religious denomination or generalized spiritual beliefs both share the fact that they are untestable, and any predictions you can make based upon thsoe beliefs are also untestable.
This is the opposite of scientific theories which have to be tested to be worth anything at all.
My post was specifically comparing religious beliefs (of any sort) to scientific theory, and was only aimed at those people who were claiming that the two were comparable.
I was just saying that by logic the theorys of science prove that there is a god of sorts (just not in the tradition man in white pulling all the strings sense). Does this mean that scientists are religious and therefore science is a religion.
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:59:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Dheorl on 21/01/2008 14:01:53
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
too wide explanation tbh. God is universe and universe is god. It also implies that it has a will of it's own.
Who said anything about god having free will. All I'm saying is that by some definitions of god (or just by stretching some of them a bit) god must be everything or there must be a seperate god in the more traditional sense.
you do have a point, but the inner skeptic in me revels with religious issues
"God is everywhere", but I only see matter here. you mean that there's god in that pile of stinky putrefied trash aswell?
"God created us", yeah but how do you know that? did he told you?
those are the 2 main things that religion tells me, and that's how I discuss them.
Show me proof, as in the guy itself showing up in front of me, and I'll accept that there's a god, altho in no shape of way I'll believe in such thing. Untill then I say that every metaphysical omnipotent and omnipresent entity is just a creation of the minds of the ole, trying to cope with the unknown.
I'm not saying that god is an enitity or a pesonification of anything, I'm just saying that god is.
By my way of thinking yes that pile of trash in the corner is part of god because it is part of the self sustaining reality/dimension/universe that we live in.
I'm trying to think of ways to put it better but my mind is too slow at the moment.
P.S. The proof is that your here... kinda (bend your mind a bit, pivot 90%, travel back 20 hours and tie a sheet bend with it and my logic may make more sense)
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:02:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
too wide explanation tbh. God is universe and universe is god. It also implies that it has a will of it's own.
Who said anything about god having free will. All I'm saying is that by some definitions of god (or just by stretching some of them a bit) god must be everything or there must be a seperate god in the more traditional sense.
you do have a point, but the inner skeptic in me revels with religious issues
"God is everywhere", but I only see matter here. you mean that there's god in that pile of stinky putrefied trash aswell?
"God created us", yeah but how do you know that? did he told you?
those are the 2 main things that religion tells me, and that's how I discuss them.
Show me proof, as in the guy itself showing up in front of me, and I'll accept that there's a god, altho in no shape of way I'll believe in such thing. Untill then I say that every metaphysical omnipotent and omnipresent entity is just a creation of the minds of the ole, trying to cope with the unknown.
I'm not saying that god is an enitity or a pesonification of anything, I'm just saying that god is.
By my way of thinking yes that pile of trash in the corner is part of god because it is part of the self sustaining reality/dimension/universe that we live in.
I'm trying to think of ways to put it better but my mind is too slow at the moment.
well that is a point of view, considering "god" as existence itself ant not an entity.
however if god is existence itself, that means that we're god too.
it also means that Haruhi exists apparently
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:03:00 -
[72]
As usual, xkcd wins.
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Apocryphai
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:03:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Apocryphai
Edited by: Apocryphai on 21/01/2008 13:52:47
Originally by: Dheorl
It depends how far you stretch the definition of god. You can belive in god without being part of a set religion... does that mean you are not religious?
That's got nothing to do with the post of mine that you quoted there.
Belief in a specific religious denomination or generalized spiritual beliefs both share the fact that they are untestable, and any predictions you can make based upon thsoe beliefs are also untestable.
This is the opposite of scientific theories which have to be tested to be worth anything at all.
My post was specifically comparing religious beliefs (of any sort) to scientific theory, and was only aimed at those people who were claiming that the two were comparable.
I was just saying that by logic the theorys of science prove that there is a god of sorts (just not in the tradition man in white pulling all the strings sense). Does this mean that scientists are religious and therefore science is a religion.
Er, what?
What scientific logic proves there's a god of sorts? You've completely lost me there, or are using a definition of "god" that I've never heard of before.
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What the skull-chick said.
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:03:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
So you're saying that God is, in fact, Dark matter.
now that's a really new one.
No, I'm just going back to the whole thing that god is all around you (as in god is everything). If the universe sustains itself then that must mean that the universe and everything within the universe is god.
too wide explanation tbh. God is universe and universe is god. It also implies that it has a will of it's own.
Who said anything about god having free will. All I'm saying is that by some definitions of god (or just by stretching some of them a bit) god must be everything or there must be a seperate god in the more traditional sense.
you do have a point, but the inner skeptic in me revels with religious issues
"God is everywhere", but I only see matter here. you mean that there's god in that pile of stinky putrefied trash aswell?
"God created us", yeah but how do you know that? did he told you?
those are the 2 main things that religion tells me, and that's how I discuss them.
Show me proof, as in the guy itself showing up in front of me, and I'll accept that there's a god, altho in no shape of way I'll believe in such thing. Untill then I say that every metaphysical omnipotent and omnipresent entity is just a creation of the minds of the ole, trying to cope with the unknown.
I'm not saying that god is an enitity or a pesonification of anything, I'm just saying that god is.
By my way of thinking yes that pile of trash in the corner is part of god because it is part of the self sustaining reality/dimension/universe that we live in.
I'm trying to think of ways to put it better but my mind is too slow at the moment.
well that is a point of view, considering "god" as existence itself ant not an entity.
however if god is existence itself, that means that we're god too.
it also means that Haruhi exists apparently
Well yes it does mean we to are part of god seeing as we are part of the universe. Also, who exists and why?
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Dheorl
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Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:04:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Apocryphai
Edited by: Apocryphai on 21/01/2008 13:52:47
Originally by: Dheorl
It depends how far you stretch the definition of god. You can belive in god without being part of a set religion... does that mean you are not religious?
That's got nothing to do with the post of mine that you quoted there.
Belief in a specific religious denomination or generalized spiritual beliefs both share the fact that they are untestable, and any predictions you can make based upon thsoe beliefs are also untestable.
This is the opposite of scientific theories which have to be tested to be worth anything at all.
My post was specifically comparing religious beliefs (of any sort) to scientific theory, and was only aimed at those people who were claiming that the two were comparable.
I was just saying that by logic the theorys of science prove that there is a god of sorts (just not in the tradition man in white pulling all the strings sense). Does this mean that scientists are religious and therefore science is a religion.
Er, what?
What scientific logic proves there's a god of sorts? You've completely lost me there, or are using a definition of "god" that I've never heard of before.
Read back through the last page or so.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:05:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Grimpak
well that is a point of view, considering "god" as existence itself ant not an entity.
however if god is existence itself, that means that we're god too.
it also means that Haruhi exists apparently
Well yes it does mean we to are part of god seeing as we are part of the universe. Also, who exists and why?
for that I have to see Monty Pyton's "The meaning of life".
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Dheorl
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:05:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Dheorl on 21/01/2008 14:06:16
Originally by: Malcanis
As usual, xkcd wins.
Why does everyone think god is supernatural. If you belive in the big bang then either god is a perfectly natural thing or the big bang is supernatural.
P.S. Arguing with too many people at once... my brain hurts. Time for a bit of tetris.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:08:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Dheorl
Read back through the last page or so.
Yes, I have.
Nothing you have said has any sort of scientific logic to it. What you're describing is a general feeling that there "must be more than this!" to life and existence.
It's known as non-specific spirituality.
It's neither scientific or logical. It may feel like logic to you because that's how you feel inside, which I entirely respect and understand, but please don't try and apply words like logic or science to it, because that's just using the words wrongly.
Please understand I mean no disrespect to your beliefs or feelings in this matter, I'm just concerned that when people use terms like logic, science and theory in such an entirely incorrect matter that it just confuses debate.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:12:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Dheorl
Read back through the last page or so.
Yes, I have.
Nothing you have said has any sort of scientific logic to it. What you're describing is a general feeling that there "must be more than this!" to life and existence.
It's known as non-specific spirituality.
It's neither scientific or logical. It may feel like logic to you because that's how you feel inside, which I entirely respect and understand, but please don't try and apply words like logic or science to it, because that's just using the words wrongly.
Please understand I mean no disrespect to your beliefs or feelings in this matter, I'm just concerned that when people use terms like logic, science and theory in such an entirely incorrect matter that it just confuses debate.
I don't think that there must be more than this. I don't belive in any higher entity or anything. I'm just saying that by a general definition of god everything is god.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:16:00 -
[80]
i am god.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:16:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Dheorl
I don't think that there must be more than this. I don't belive in any higher entity or anything. I'm just saying that by a general definition of god everything is god.
Which, again, has nothing to do with science, scientific theory or logic.
It's just a way of describing a god, that people who believe in gods, use sometimes.
Please explain how that's scientific, related to scientific theory or logical?
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:19:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Dheorl
I don't think that there must be more than this. I don't belive in any higher entity or anything. I'm just saying that by a general definition of god everything is god.
Which, again, has nothing to do with science, scientific theory or logic.
It's just a way of describing a god, that people who believe in gods, use sometimes.
Please explain how that's scientific, related to scientific theory or logical?
Ok, science has proven that at some level we exsist. Science has therefore proven that there is a god.
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Apocryphai
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:26:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Dheorl
Ok, science has proven that at some level we exsist. Science has therefore proven that there is a god.
OK, I'm backing out of this now, since, sorry to say, you're not explaining yourself in any way that isn't just clearly nonsense.
This is why I try and avoid debating with religious people generally, it's pointless, it's like having an argument with a crazy person.
No offence meant to you Dheorl, but you and I may as well be talking different languages.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Dheorl
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:30:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: Dheorl
Ok, science has proven that at some level we exsist. Science has therefore proven that there is a god.
OK, I'm backing out of this now, since, sorry to say, you're not explaining yourself in any way that isn't just clearly nonsense.
This is why I try and avoid debating with religious people generally, it's pointless, it's like having an argument with a crazy person.
No offence meant to you Dheorl, but you and I may as well be talking different languages.
I'm not religious but I can see where your coming from.
My brains to tried atm to think of a better way of explaining myself. I'll try agan later.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:47:00 -
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I just wish people wouldn't try to force their religions down my throat.
That's the crux of it for me really. In a 'do as you would be done by' kind of way. I don't try and convert people to my beliefs, religious or otherwise, so nobody should be trying to convert me to theirs. Even if God exists, and is the type of God to send me to the fiery pits of doom for not believing in him, and the person trying to convince me is trying to save my soul...assuming all of that is true, my soul is still none of their business.
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so i don't deny the possibility of things beyond my understanding, i just deny your god.
Again, something I agree with. I don't believe in a god, but I don't deny the possibility of their being one, or any other possibility really. Though what I don't understand, is religious people who put their religion over other religions  Given everything's subjective anyway, I don't see why they can't have their god if you can have yours...
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Creationism is a minority belief within western Christianity. I'm certain most Christians look at the bible as metaphore rather than Gospel Truth, if you'll excuse the pun.
You'd be surprised
I basically see all religions as kinda...different themed belief systems.
But the amount of Christians I've spoken to who aren't particularly fundementalist, but take the bible literally rather than as a metaphor or analogy...
Granted, it could still be 'most' Christians, as the people I've encountered certainly don't encompass 'most' Christians' 
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It's known as non-specific spirituality.
*points* there, that's me.
I believe there's more 'to it' than chemicals and synapses and science...but I don't think the answer to that, for me anyway, is in religion. Well, maybe Buddhism. (The Middle Way sounds really similar to Freud's theory of the unconscious, how many thousands of years early ) But I think whatever there 'is' is down to the individual in question to encounter and intepret in their own way.
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Ok, science has proven that at some level we exsist. Science has therefore proven that there is a god.
Isn't that like...the definition of a circular arguement?
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
If I had to pick a religion, I'd be Haruhiist though.
Sweet mother of [insert fictional deity] he's done it again.
Anyhoo, supposing there is a God, and he/she created the universe, then he/she must have existed before the universe and therefore resides outside of our space time. Thus making organised religions moot. Besides, if I were an awesome God, I wouldn't care about the pleas of some squashy meat creatures on a ball of rock and water. I'd be too busy making the wind blow up chicks' skirts, a-la Bruce Almighty.
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Asimov
I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time.
A nice little quote from Isaac Asimov there.
Always funny to see these religious arguments always popping up on the internet. It seems to bring out such strong emotions from people whatever their view may be. Personally I'd consider myself agnostic putting faith in myself to get through life, instead of relying on the belief of some almighty creator that will look after you in this life and the "next".
I have no problems with religions existing, or their beliefs, but do they really need to try and impose them on everyone else?
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: TrustThePilot
Originally by: Dark Shikari
If I had to pick a religion, I'd be Haruhiist though.
Sweet mother of [insert fictional deity] he's done it again.
Like Jedi, you can write that in and it is accepted as a real religion if more than 1000 people write it in.
I have Kyonism penciled into mine for the next national census.
~Nyron
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.
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Mary Makepeace
Caldari
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl
I don't think that there must be more than this. I don't belive in any higher entity or anything. I'm just saying that by a general definition of god everything is god.
i really don't get this, everything is god? that means that god is everything?
why not cross every use of the word god out and replace it with everything? That way there wouldn't be all those other confusing definitions of god to mess stuff up.
or put another way, why are you using the word god instead of everything or 'the universe'? when you use the word god it comes with a huge amount of baggage, specifically things like the immortal soul, omnipotence, omniscience, the intent of creation, everything that is the universe but also outside the universe.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.21 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Malcanis
As usual, xkcd wins.
Why does everyone think god is supernatural. If you belive in the big bang then either god is a perfectly natural thing or the big bang is supernatural.
You're confusing SUPERnatural with UNnatural, I presume, or are quite unaware of the definition of the word "natural" itself.
Also, using the big bang theory as "something agnostics believe in" (or, so I presume you do) is quite out of place.
No serious scientist believes it to be the only possible and absolute truth about how our universe started its existance, it's only a hypothesis, and it's the best we have at the time being.
We acknowledge the fact that we don't know wether it's true or not, and we are always seeking for a better explanation, be it either a completely different hypothesis altogether, or extra evidence and falsifiable experiments that can prove the Big Bang itself.
To put it in a nice flow-chartish way...
RELIGION:
[state dogma] -> [ignore everything else] -> [done]
SCIENCE:
[formulate hypothesis] -> [test hypothesis] -> [collect feedback] -> [repeat cycle forever]
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