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Don Z0LA
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2008.01.25 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: BoB Peon
Originally by: popej Fewer stronger alliances make for more stalwart defence than multiple alliances of less strength right? I think history has demonstrated this on more than one occasion.
I really hope you aren't calling Morsus Mihi a strong alliance. I'm going to give myself a hernia laughing at that.
maybe they are not that good in offensive, but im sure tribute is one of the toughest fortresses in the universe.
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Dylan Rhade
Caldari UK Corp Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.25 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 25/01/2008 04:53:58 Well, i can add nothing to this thread, except BoB are doing better than i thought they were.
I thought that the "train" would start rocketting faster than ever once BoB fell back to Delve.
I dont know how many alliances they are holding off, but its alot, so they are proving themselves everyday, holding of ******** ass blob numbers etc etc ( we all know how the game works)
With being ex-LV, fighting odds like that over distance is hard, specially 23/7, (oh, whomever goonie said about LV and t1 frig and cruiser battles, u left out that T1 frigs and cruiser were all YOU were flying, think i saw 1 BC the whole campaign in goon, a Ferox fitted with pulse lasers if i recall ..)
So, tbh, BoB are showing the RSF the middle -finger just by being alive, hard to compete when they are stood that far above a rising tide.
Call me whatever smack-name u wish, i dont care, BoB are holding u off with the odds fairly high, i will not quote numbers or odds, because, its CAOD, which has its own standards, albeit they are low, but they still have them (according to CCP forum rules)
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w0rmy
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.25 07:55:00 -
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I ALT+NP3 Waagaa
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Sun Ra
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.01.25 10:55:00 -
[244]
Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 23/01/2008 13:40:31
Originally by: TWD
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahha hahaaaaaahahaha
Omg you're actually trying to spin it as a contract.
ahhhhhhhahahaha.
I think you mis understood me TWD.
Internally this is no different to a contract, except the employer is KIA Alliance. We have treated as such since day 1, and its how we veiwed this endeavour from the outset. We had goals, set objectives to achieve, payment is a 0.0 base of ops.
No spin intended.
Isnt the employer always KIA ??
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Nathanial Victor
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.01.25 11:02:00 -
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So i found out RSF wont even give Tortuga docking rights. Something about 'they need additional negotiations' to permit their new blue buddies even access to RSF stations.
Between that, the loss of respect (from others and your own memebers, some of which are leaving), and the current complete lack of respect RSF has for you (and ya gotta wonder, IF they can get past bob, who would be next)....
hows that workin out for ya?
You sleep in the bed you make. I could be way off, but i'd say MC better get ready to be bit in the ass by their worst mistake ever.
"one more spam thread will get you a warning. - Thanks Hutch. " isn't a warning of a warning a warning? or just a warning of a warning? didnt he just get 'the warning'?
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 11:23:00 -
[246]
Guys, cant we all just be freinds?
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.25 11:26:00 -
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I've read a few pages of this, interesting to say the least...
In MC and Friend's favor:
They did what seemed right for them. I hold no bitterness. Heck, once all this stuff dies down, I'd have no problems being blue again, or continuing the shooty shooty. Good stuff.
However....
The notion that MC/Tortuga is in ANYWAY a responding to being "attacked by BoB" is just wrong. Sort of the other way around. MC is attempting to secure its space by attempting to remove BoB (who, to be honest, are a threat, so I can see the logic). Almost all the shooty shooty BoB has had with MC has been due to BoB responding to MC attack.
I realize some (Not all, not even remotely all...) Tortuga want to claim being innocent defenders, but please, take at least this one point from the BoB play book: You dont have to. Just do it.
And, no, BoB does not care about being innocent defenders. We just want epic pew pew. Although in this very specific case, bazzare as it is, BoB actually is the innocent defender... (I feel dirty.....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.01.25 11:48:00 -
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I think most reasonable people who read the BoB responses to MCs decision at the time and since felt pretty sure that BoB wanted to kill MC. This is regardless of who fired the first shot Sgt. The responses didn't really indicate that BoB were going to take it lying down no?
Thunk
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunk I think most reasonable people who read the BoB responses to MCs decision at the time and since felt pretty sure that BoB wanted to kill MC. This is regardless of who fired the first shot Sgt. The responses didn't really indicate that BoB were going to take it lying down no?
Thunk
Agreed completely.
The decision to clear BoB out of PB was made, and we're still playing out how it will unfold in the end. Lots of shooty shooty for all.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
P.S. man I love COAD cleaner
Is it as good as the CAOD cleaner?
---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus? |
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Gloomy Gus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Gloomy Gus on 25/01/2008 16:42:02 What always makes me less depressed is all the BoB alts spamming that MC has somehow lost respect for leaving them sprawled by the side of the road. After ditching some ugly skank after a night of beer goggles, the last thing I care about is her opinion. Speaking of chicks who got ditched,
Originally by: DB Preacher dbp
did you ever get a new mothership?
Originally by: Red Templar System no rubby!
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BoB Peon
Caldari Stop Posting on COAD You Tards
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Don Z0LA maybe they are not that good in offensive, but im sure tribute is one of the toughest fortresses in the universe.
and also that statement must be taken seriously when its made someone without spine to post with main. so much about your strength.
Is that why they are NAPed with 90% of the north?
That's a very bold statement Mr Alt Poster. Goon Leadership says: REMEMBER 46DP! |
Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:48:00 -
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OP:
What MC think is simple, really : 1- Bob is screwed 2- We're next 3- Coalitions may explode after Bob. We have a chance to beat them after Bob, while we don't have a chance teaming Bob. 4- Let's ally people whose interest is to stay after Bob explode.
We're not the group #4 @ this time precisly but we have the same interests => nap.
Difficult to understand ?
No.
Bob planed it all at bbq 2006. 2isk
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NaNNeR HaMMeR
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:45:00 -
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I view this simply as a choice of survival, it's basically the same thing F-E did to FOE only more subtle and they at least have the cover of being a separate entity.
When faced with the choice of change alignment so that you can continue on, maybe try to salvage what you once had, or get swept away with the current, how many people do you really think will choose to go down with the ship?
BOB provided MC with a great deal of security and no small amount of favors including the use of the BPO their titan spawned from as it's already been mentioned here. I would hope that it was a hard decisions that still weighs heavily on those that made it. I could not say what MC really provided in return only those in bob high command and the MC leadership really know the extent of it but I have a hard time believing it would be enough for one to turn your back on such a relationship and not feel as if you just betrayed a friend.
Changing stances to neutral and letting bob handle their own situation would have been in my personal opinion completely within the realm of reasonable, both sides had to know that at some point they would not be blue. I really can't even fault them for deciding to claim PB along with their new coalition considering the fall of all surrounding regions it was a move to ensure that their home was protected accordingly.
I don't know their reasoning behind setting RSF blue, or the truth of this being part of a contract by KIA, but I do know that I will never view the MC the same again, and I think it will be interesting times to see how many entities that for a very long time have questioned MC's motives might decide it's time to take a poke now that the 800lb gorilla is too busy fighting the t-rex's to get in the way.
I also have to wonder how long it is before more and more of the coalition loses interest, or even better bob decides to take it on the move and visit tribute, or tenal, or wherever else their fancy takes them, something I always thought more scary than trying to face BOB in their home systems is trying to face BOB in my home systems when it was no longer in goons or RA's interest to help, moving goes very quick when almost every pilot has a carrier and you have what 7 titans?
or maybe they will disband and all move to empire, I mean that happens a lot to groups that have been as tight knit and played together as long as they have right?...
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VileLust
Minmatar The humble Crew Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.26 00:25:00 -
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IAC are paying Tortuga for their aid ^_^
Duh.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.26 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: VileLust I have aids ^_^
Duh.
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 03:25:00 -
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A Goonswarm Member's Analysis of This Thread
it sucks
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: WrathOfOprah on 26/01/2008 04:25:32 Guys, whats the problem? This was already planned out at the '06 Barbecue. You wanted this.
Originally by: Nathanial Victor So i found out RSF wont even give Tortuga docking rights. Something about 'they need additional negotiations' to permit their new blue buddies even access to RSF stations.
This is a non-issue. They don't need rights in our space, we don't need rights in their space. Keeps the relationship nice and formal.
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.01.26 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Zorland on 26/01/2008 04:29:40 One thing I'd like to add. The whole MC thing proves one thing, Goons never ever managed to kill someone without going around and looking to NAP ANYONE that will shoot the same target they have set. With V, they NAPed all V opposing factions in the area, IMP, CA, Snigg and whoever else was there. Then, the same thing with LV, they gattered all enemies of LV to blob them with 1000 man fleets. They did the same thing against RISE and many many other allainces they say they killed. Now, they managed to NAP MC, with just about everyone else they could find to go and kill BOB. But, all this is understandable, they have to do it with "diplomacy" (lets call it diplomacy ) simple because they really, really suck when it comes to actuall game play. I have to say this to Goons: you guys are great, much smarter then your average EVE player. You are really good in meta-gaming, and too bad you can't match that skill in game.
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 26/01/2008 04:29:40 One thing I'd like to add. The whole MC thing proves one thing, Goons never ever managed to kill someone without going around and looking to NAP ANYONE that will shoot the same target they have set. With V, they NAPed all V opposing factions in the area, IMP, CA, Snigg and whoever else was there. Then, the same thing with LV, they gattered all enemies of LV to blob them with 1000 man fleets. They did the same thing against RISE and many many other allainces they say they killed. Now, they managed to NAP MC, with just about everyone else they could find to go and kill BOB. But, all this is understandable, they have to do it with "diplomacy" (lets call it diplomacy ) simple because they really, really suck when it comes to actuall game play. I have to say this to Goons: you guys are great, much smarter then your average EVE player. You are really good in meta-gaming, and too bad you can't match that skill in game.
One moment goons are dumb disposable meathsields, next moment we're Machiavellian diplomats, another moment we're meta-gaming noobship lagsploiters, another and we've got more devs than BoB, another we're the Russians' slaves, another and we're pulling their strings.
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angelena
Caldari AND THEN NO YOU
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Posted - 2008.01.26 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: WrathOfOprah
One moment goons are dumb disposable meathsields, next moment we're Machiavellian diplomats, another moment we're meta-gaming noobship lagsploiters, another and we've got more devs than BoB, another we're the Russians' slaves, another and we're pulling their strings.
well all above true, but i think
A goons a biatch, A goons a lover A goons a child, A goons a mother A goons a sinner, and a saint They do not feel ashamed. They are your hell, But not your dream They're nothing in between You know you wouldn't want it any other way.
Imo.
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 26/01/2008 04:29:40 One thing I'd like to add. The whole MC thing proves one thing, Goons never ever managed to kill someone without going around and looking to NAP ANYONE that will shoot the same target they have set. With V, they NAPed all V opposing factions in the area, IMP, CA, Snigg and whoever else was there. Then, the same thing with LV, they gattered all enemies of LV to blob them with 1000 man fleets. They did the same thing against RISE and many many other allainces they say they killed. Now, they managed to NAP MC, with just about everyone else they could find to go and kill BOB. But, all this is understandable, they have to do it with "diplomacy" (lets call it diplomacy ) simple because they really, really suck when it comes to actuall game play. I have to say this to Goons: you guys are great, much smarter then your average EVE player. You are really good in meta-gaming, and too bad you can't match that skill in game.
A Goonswarm Member's Analysis of This Post
it sucks badly
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 06:34:00 -
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why does this need to be analyzed if it was all planned im so confused since its so easy for us to be manipulated (at barbeques) :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
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Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.26 15:36:00 -
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I think all this analysis is absolutely fascinating. Please please keep going and ignore the simple fact that the following statement has been true since before recorded time: "The enemy of my enemy is my ally, at least for now".
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.26 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Larice Look at all the bottom feeder alliances supporting the 'no fair' post from Waawaa: Blade., Executive Outcomes, Big Bang Quantum.
Ah, good point. And this coming from 1st Angel Wing, vanguard of the Coalition, amirite?
Originally by: Larice Anyone taking bets on when Pilk will add something here?
Yep! I win. Send me 500m.
--P
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: UNPAID. |
paracidic
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.26 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: KIAEddZ Employer: KIA Alliance Contract Status: Active
Primary Goal: Secure 0.0 base of operations in PB Added Secondary Goal: Ensure BoB are in no position to reclaim it as per their threats in COAD posts.
Right now, we have no intentions of doing anymore than simply staying out of the way of the forces determined to see BoB removed from delve, this may or maynot change depending on how things develop.
Shooting them is both counter productive and against the Ethos of KIA as Mercanaries. The temporary blue standings are enforced due to political developments as of late.
No alignments made, no promises given. Nice try though Wagga.
Get the job done, irrelevant of cost. We are mercanaries, and this contract is no different to any other as far as we are concerned.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahha hahaaaaaahahaha
Omg you're actually trying to spin it as a contract.
ahhhhhhhahahaha.
If KIA are the employer, I wonder who they hired to protect PB?? MC???
oh and BTW Seleene = Cyvok (hahahahaha) ***********************************************
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Moctobot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot I've read a few pages of this, interesting to say the least...
In MC and Friend's favor:
They did what seemed right for them. I hold no bitterness. Heck, once all this stuff dies down, I'd have no problems being blue again, or continuing the shooty shooty. Good stuff.
However....
The notion that MC/Tortuga is in ANYWAY a responding to being "attacked by BoB" is just wrong. Sort of the other way around. MC is attempting to secure its space by attempting to remove BoB (who, to be honest, are a threat, so I can see the logic). Almost all the shooty shooty BoB has had with MC has been due to BoB responding to MC attack.
I realize some (Not all, not even remotely all...) Tortuga want to claim being innocent defenders, but please, take at least this one point from the BoB play book: You dont have to. Just do it.
And, no, BoB does not care about being innocent defenders. We just want epic pew pew. Although in this very specific case, bazzare as it is, BoB actually is the innocent defender... (I feel dirty.....)
keep digging
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Darkstar BP
Caldari eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: paracidic
oh and BTW Seleene = Cyvok (hahahahaha)
So that justifies the pictures? The good old-fashion ad hominem attacks?
When are you going to bring up the Smoske issue again to rally the troops? Is that next weekend?
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Louis Lane
Minmatar Imperium Holding corp
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Posted - 2008.01.26 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim It's the first move of an alliance on it's last 2 feet. Not long ago i heard MC representatives statin how they wqould never nap goons for multiple reasons. I guess the lack of progress and declining participation fueled this decision.
Just when you think you can't get more dissapointed in old friends that i've helped out not so long ago, you get proven wrong.
Such is eve. But after their nap ends, we will still have to settle the score.
you have a heck of a lot of nerve talking about old friends sinking lower. you who back stabbed a loyal alliance and old friend velios right beween the shoulder blades. and for what? because molle was ****ed because they were rat hunting? what a lame excuse. hide away in your little corner of eve with your titans. because you will never be allowed to expand from there again bigshot.
In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a body guard of lies.
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Future Thing
Ninja Warriors of the Round Table
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Posted - 2008.01.26 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Louis Lane
Originally by: Tholarim It's the first move of an alliance on it's last 2 feet. Not long ago i heard MC representatives statin how they wqould never nap goons for multiple reasons. I guess the lack of progress and declining participation fueled this decision.
Just when you think you can't get more dissapointed in old friends that i've helped out not so long ago, you get proven wrong.
Such is eve. But after their nap ends, we will still have to settle the score.
you have a heck of a lot of nerve talking about old friends sinking lower. you who back stabbed a loyal alliance and old friend velios right beween the shoulder blades. and for what? because molle was ****ed because they were rat hunting? what a lame excuse. hide away in your little corner of eve with your titans. because you will never be allowed to expand from there again bigshot.
You're right worthless alliances like M.Pire deserve free space.
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