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Shotaro Tsukumo Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:44:00 - [1] Oursulaert local, Jita local, Rookie help & newbie corps corp channels. Question: What do all these channels have in common? If you answered the overwhelming amount of ISK sellers flood, you got it right. I invite any of CCP guys to check this out, go to Jita or open the rookie channel to see how things are there. It's just impossible to have a normal conversation there just because the ISK sellers are popping every single minute! I am not talking about one every 3 or 2 minutes, but several per minute. When will we have a solution to all these spam messages? This is not bad only to users, but it's even worse for CCP bussiness, as they spoil the economy, drive new users away and are bad for community interaction. And it's getting worse. Sorry for my rant but I find kinda amazing a measure still hasn't been taken against this.
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:50:00 - [2] Its called the block function.
ArmaggedonPSA Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:51:00 - [3] I agree completely...removing isk sellers is a must...but who wont agree with that? Getting rid of isk sellers is like trying to eradicate hippies...a noble cause as it is...will never happen, because there is jut too damn many. CCP wont be getting rid of local or rookie chats any time soon, or ever, if I'm not mistaken. The only "decent" solution to slow down the isk selling playerbase is to altogether stop trial accounts, which would cripple new players joining the game. Everyone has identified the problem, but I don't see a solution in sight... Oh well ------------------------------ D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S -Offical RHN sig-maker
Shotaro Tsukumo Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Andreask14 Its called the block function. Oh, a witty answer. Go to rookie channel, Jita local or even FNA corp channel and keep blocking 1-3 ISK sellers PER MINUTE on a DAILY basis. I am sure you got nothing else to do than blocking people, right?
Shotaro Tsukumo Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:01:00 - [5] Originally by: ArmaggedonPSA I agree completely...removing isk sellers is a must...but who wont agree with that? Getting rid of isk sellers is like trying to eradicate hippies...a noble cause as it is...will never happen, because there is jut too damn many. CCP wont be getting rid of local or rookie chats any time soon, or ever, if I'm not mistaken. The only "decent" solution to slow down the isk selling playerbase is to altogether stop trial accounts, which would cripple new players joining the game. Everyone has identified the problem, but I don't see a solution in sight... Oh well Well, they could at least set some kind of flood filter or IP blocking, couldn't they? When we go to these channels, we see like 10 times the same message, it's pretty damn annoying.
Roz Akanit Akanit Supplies	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:12:00 - [6] An MMO I used to play didnt have downloadable 'free' trials. If you wanted to try it for free, it was done via a 'buddy key' that was sent from an already existing full account, or it was download for free, sign up, but enter CC details here. You didnt pay anything for the 1st month (so a free trial) and during that 30d period you could choose to continue on with a full account (charged at the end of 30days) or you could choose not to continue with it and not be charged. Using the buddy key route, which I see we already have in place, you could track which full account was being used to create the free trials, and as such ban that account. No more buddy keys being given out for creating disposable isk selling alts (from that account). If you use the pre-register CC route, you can see who is signing up and then ban that person from signing up to eve permantly. I understand that CCP wants it to be as easy as possible for new customers to sign up, but at the moment I think it's too easy.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:23:00 - [7] Personally, I suspect that Rookie Help may be scaring away more customers than it draws in at this point. It scrolls by too quickly to follow, it's filled with trolls, it creates in-game lag, and of course it's full of spam. I was extremely lucky to be a returning player who had veteran friends already playing EVE. I knew 70% of what I needed to get on my feet when I subscribed, and could ask my mates (and read the forums) for the rest. Even though this is one of those "groan" threads that pops up once or twice I week, I have to /sign it... something needs to be done. Rookie Help causes more problems than it fixes at this point. ________________
Artem Plovix Dynamic Industrial Group	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:30:00 - [8] Email clients and POP servers have invented ways over the years to determine which email is spam and which isn't. It's still not perfect, but I'd say 90% of spam never reaches my inbox anymore. If they can do it for email, CCP can do it for ISK sellers. I'm really sick of reading their crap constantly. It's also really frustrating to know I'm playing a game so filled with jackasses ruining the economy, and sometimes it makes me want to quit because I'm tired of it. FIX IT ALREADY!
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.01.24 12:46:00 - [9] I do agree that the Rookie channel should be done away with. I don't know of anyone who has found it useful. Those who actually want help aren't answered, and the rest use it as their version of local/pick-up joint. It's function was never there, and it's now a beaten horse. Please, CCP do away with this. I thought "Help" was useless in Beta, and this is many orders of magnitude worse. The rest should stay, as there can be actual uses for them. They may not be apparent from the start, but at least people aren't constantly asking how they can do away with them. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:15:00 - [10] Not to invoke the name of evil, but Everquest 2 has a pretty damned good filtering system, when you get a "tell" (private message) from a spammer the heuristics of their message system catch it and all you get is a message in the chat window "spam tell from iopdbyuasdosdjk -- click here to read". So you never get to see the spam from www.reallyreallyreallycheapISK.com or whatever, just a blurb like another message. And since what the ISK sellers are doing is basically suicide marketing (throwaway accounts), then if their message was muted, they could rage all they want but the important part (the message) would never get out. Frankly, I'd consider buying this technology from SOE, if CCP couldn't program it themselves. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.

Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:29:00 - [11] I doubt CCP care about isk farmers that much, as long as we keep on paying each month. yeah blah blah we banned so many isk sellers this month blah blah, if they were serious about it we have have some sort of decent filter system and not just block(player) Blocking 20 players every day ftl
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Roz Akanit An MMO I used to play didnt have downloadable 'free' trials. If you wanted to try it for free, it was done via a 'buddy key' that was sent from an already existing full account, or it was download for free, sign up, but enter CC details here. If trying the game out would have required any more then it did, I would probably never have tried it. Since it actually required very little effort, I'm instead closing in on my 1year birthday for my second account, just a couple months to go.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:50:00 - [13] Easiest solution in the world: give us a function that allows us to block all incoming mail and chat from trial accounts, but I think we will see pink flying pigs before that happends.
Zubb Ionesco Audentia et Artis	Posted - 2008.01.24 13:52:00 - [14] agreeing completely with the author if this article... A possible solution: just block the whole IP-Range from China and spam would be reduced by 90% with this single action. No really, take the web-sites the spammers promote, go to www.internic.com and ask about their origin there... they are from china in ALL cases I did ask. ----------------- Never knock on Death's door. Ring the bell and run! Death hates that.
Lord Evangelian Gallente LEAP Corp	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 24/01/2008 14:28:36 The thing is, we might block them, but then the newbs think...."oooo ISK..for money :) I wants me a megathron....skips to seller website to buy ISK...comes back with a shiney new megathron"... --------------------
Dorisane	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Sinder Ohm Easiest solution in the world: give us a function that allows us to block all incoming mail and chat from trial accounts, but I think we will see pink flying pigs before that happends. this.
Major Stallion Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.24 14:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Shotaro Tsukumo Originally by: Andreask14 Its called the block function. Oh, a witty answer. Go to rookie channel, Jita local or even FNA corp channel and keep blocking 1-3 ISK sellers PER MINUTE on a DAILY basis. I am sure you got nothing else to do than blocking people, right? leave the rookie channel?
Krxon Blade	Posted - 2008.01.24 15:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Sinder Ohm Easiest solution in the world: give us a function that allows us to block all incoming mail and chat from trial accounts, but I think we will see pink flying pigs before that happends. Signing ↑ this ↑ -- EVE offline game
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.24 22:56:00 - [19] isk sellers are all over the place Trashed sig, Shark was here
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:30:00 - [20] I predict this will get much worse with the steam crowd. Expect to have half of empire spammed soon. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway

Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:45:00 - [21] I favor the elimination of Local Chat ONLY if CCP replaces it with something that is even EASIER for lazy carebears to use, and will make lazy Gankers whine and cry even more. Play nice while you butcher each other.
hennep ashsa	Posted - 2008.01.24 23:54:00 - [22] IP banning might not work, proxies could then be used, the isk spammers have cash invested, after all they have accounts that make the ISK, they have to sell isk to cover costs thats why they will always find a way to sell. CCP must do something about them before Stream comes online, just looking at and matching the IP ranges of players and spammers would be a start, investigate accounts using those ranges, but it takes a person to do the work and CCP GM's and support staff just don't seem to exist to do this task as it very time consuming exposing ISK farmers and banning them. Does CCP have a mission statement or policy regarding ISK farmers and ppl to implement it, or do they wait until complaints become unbearable before they do something?. Spam ISK selling Eve-mail everyday using the exact same message still gets through, its an issue CCP needs to take more seriously, and if they are its something that should be communicated to the player base who after all provide them with a living.
Shotaro Tsukumo Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.25 02:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Shotaro Tsukumo Originally by: Andreask14 Its called the block function. Oh, a witty answer. Go to rookie channel, Jita local or even FNA corp channel and keep blocking 1-3 ISK sellers PER MINUTE on a DAILY basis. I am sure you got nothing else to do than blocking people, right? leave the rookie channel? Well, if that is your solution, I would agree to those who say the rookie channel should be extict. Anyway, I have just created a new account for a new char so no, I can't leave it just because it joins me again every time I log in. Rookie channel is still useful to those who join and don't know anyone in the game. I myself had some help from that channel back in the days I've joined. Anyway, this doesn't solve the problem of other channels being flooded. Simple solutions to REDUCE (not eliminate unfortunatelly) would be to create a simple anti-flood filter on client side. These are very common in mIRC and other chat places, just avoid repetitive messages, for example. I know this is not the ideal solution but it would help to reduce the amount of messages. Well, I am sure CCP got plenty of ideas to solve this, they just have to put them in practice. Once again, I find it very amazing they allow this to continue growing like it is.
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.25 02:51:00 - [24] Voting mechanics - Must have 200+ AND/OR 25% of population within system, whichever is the greater amount, in yes votes. Boots player from game for 5 days.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.25 03:04:00 - [25] Edited by: Frug on 25/01/2008 03:05:44 Originally by: Andreask14 Its called the block function. You've never actually tried to use your own lame advice have you? It doesn't work against them. The solution is simple. Create a quick dev tool the gives the ability to quickly and easily remove chat privileges for accounts with one click, and then hire a GM to watch these channels. All he should have to do is click an x beside the chat of offenders, and boom they stfu for everone and need to make a new account before they try again. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.01.25 03:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Sinder Ohm Easiest solution in the world: give us a function that allows us to block all incoming mail and chat from trial accounts, but I think we will see pink flying pigs before that happends. This Hasn't been happening too recently, but I used to get isk-mails a lot after answering newbie-Q's in the New Citizen Forum. I've also had EvE-Mail follow-ups from genuine newbies (and they are wonderful to get back to), but nothing compared to the spam. Having a drop-down option in the Petition options would be a great help, too. A dedicated "isk-spam" option. Right now, I have to go in some sub-menu of EULA violations, or similar, with no obvious category. Sure, CCP gets back in a few days and it's taken care of... but that ain't soon enough. The arguement (fairly true, also) is that the market wouldn't even exist without the buyer/customer looking to use it. That shouldn't mean that I get to filter through isk-sell messages (either direct to my mail-box, or in local newbie-help channels, or even perpetually in Local chat. Ffs, I even get that in 0.0 areas... where I can literally take the law into my own hands, and pod the puppy... but that doesn't stop a return in less than 10 minutes of a new replacement spamming isk-sales. To be honest, I'm not even fully on board with CCP's legitimate GTC sale/sell options... but given the choice between "legitimate" forum-bound RMT & the insane crap that gets spammed all over EVE with 3rd parties... Just makes me mad. _______ We are Ushra'Khan. We come for our people.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ama-gi	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Shotaro Tsukumo ... wait... what? i had no disembodied head option when i created my character... wtf is this? so totally unfair. I'm being cereal... -- No love for the Matari
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.01.25 11:08:00 - [28] No. They killed Local one time before, by 'mistake'. It was a disaster. The game needs local as much as some folks don't want to admit it. Not been in Rookie so long not sure, but I remember it really helped me learn about the game back in the day. I didn't ask many questions but I just watched the chatter and learned a lot. You might could do away with the NPC corp chats, but that might turn more people off the game. The best way to handle it is to block the individual. Then report them through the exploit menu. They should be dealt with quickly. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2008.01.25 12:02:00 - [29] If people would stop buying isk it would stop people from selling it. As long as there is a market there will be sellers and no matter how many safe guards you put in they will always find a way around it or a new way of annoyance I can think of a new way right now, but i wont say it cause they could start using it
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.25 12:05:00 - [30] 1). Minimize local in Jita and Ours; problem solved. 2). Leave Rookie help channel; problem solved. 3). Join a real corp; problem solved. - - - Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...



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