Originally by: Keorythe

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Name one I dare you.

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Originally by: Keorythe

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That line is used by people who can't stand the idea that a news agency isn't kissing up to their democratic party.

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Originally by: Kephael

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http://digg.com/pc_games/Gamers_get_revenge_Quack_Gets_Amazon_Book_Rating_Spammed

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Getting really tired of the whole "liberal media" meme.

It was true once upon a time but has not been the case for a good while now. Certainly examples of liberal media can be found but by and large the mainstream media is decidedly conservative.

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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan

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But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.

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Originally by: Do they mass produce these idiots

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The person playing the game gets to determine what happens between the two people if you know what i mean

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Originally by: Cybarite

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I got one, the daily show.

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Heaven and Hell are the same place, its only the point of view that's different.

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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For the record....I am not a 15 year old nor do I worship the devil, nor do I do drugs, nor do I wear spandex, and no I don't kill kitties for fun. And I have been playing videogames sense the first Atari.

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Originally by: Keorythe

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You can point all you want to Robert Murdoch (consequently the New York Post was already about to die) but you need to look at Ted Turner who owns a large number of media outlets including CNN and his influence on them as well.

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 25/01/2008 15:46:40

Originally by: Keorythe

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You can point all you want to Robert Murdoch (consequently the New York Post was already about to die) but you need to look at Ted Turner who owns a large number of media outlets including CNN and his influence on them as well.

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We could go round-andround on this. Part of the problem to be sure is there are examples of media bias to be found in both directions. For the purposes of this however I think we are talking about mainstream media. The large, national papers and news shows.

The notion of liberal media bias has been such a whipping boy of the conservatives that it is largely just accepted without critical examination. The conservatives know this and play it for all it is worth (smart of them really). However, with only a modicum of scrutiny this can be shown to be largely an illusion. A boogeyman created to distract the public.

Below are a couple of quotes from staunch conservatives saying it is baloney. I also strongly encourage you to view "Buying the War" (linked below) and invite you to point out the liberal bias in the media at large. Lord knows I think most of the world wish there had been a bias and the media had called Bush on his Snake Oil sales pitch. Maybe a war and tens of thousands of dead and a world that largely despises the US for it would have been avoided. In short, this debate matters!

And since you noted CNN as some sort of liberal bastion I include a 15 miute video of Jon Stewart reaming Tucker Carlson on CNN's Crossfire for failing. Note Stewart is a liberal. One would not think he would lambaste a liberal media outlet so thoroughly. Fact is he saw nothing of the sort and was calling them out on their failures.

"ôIÆve gotten balanced coverage, and broad coverageùall we could have asked. For heaven sakes, we kid about the æliberal media,Æ but every Republican on earth does that,ö ~Patrick Buchanan (diehard conservative) during 1996 Presidential campaign

ôI admit it. The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.ö ~William Kristol (Influential neoconservative pundit, impeccable conservative credentials, editor of the Weekly Standard which is a Rupert Murdoch publication)

Jon Stewart on Crossfire (5 years or so ago)

Buying the War -Bill Moyers Journal

"There are none so blind as those who will not see." ~Jonathan Swift

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Originally by: Buxaroo

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What do you expect from the like's of that low-IQ trash channel some people call a news service. Fox news is nothing but a 24/7 tabloid channel for the sexually-repressed subhumans who get off on watching it.

Take for instance when that college girl who took nude photos of herself and made money off of a site got killed by some nut....Fox was all over that story for days and days and days. It was a blip everywhere else. Fox news is trash, has always been trash, will always be trash. And the majority of the people who watch it and take to heart everything said on it are trash.

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 25/01/2008 15:46:40

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Originally by: Ademaro Imre

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 25/01/2008 15:46:40

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Bill Moyers is about as biased as anyone can possibly be. You want to use a quote made 12 years ago by a politician looking for a TV gig? Perhaps, you should read the works of Bernard Goldberg, who worked for CBS, and tried to remove biased reporting there. You could find some quotes there I am sure.

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Originally by: Ademaro Imre

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 25/01/2008 15:46:40

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Bill Moyers is about as biased as anyone can possibly be. You want to use a quote made 12 years ago by a politician looking for a TV gig? Perhaps, you should read the works of Bernard Goldberg, who worked for CBS, and tried to remove biased reporting there. You could find some quotes there I am sure.

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Bwahaha! Bias as a good treatise on media bias? Did you read it? The book fails with most any critical examination of it. On a book about bias you would think it would strive to be, you know, unbiased. But it is not by a long shot. Goldberg is a disgruntled ex-employee with an axe to grind...especially as regards Dan Rather.

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Try What Liberal Media by Eric Alterman for a better job on examining liberal bias in the media.

As for Bill Moyer he may be a liberal but can you deny the conclusions of the piece I linked? Did Bush not sell a bogus war to American citizens? Did the media do anything by way of its job to critically examine the reasons or did the toe-the-line? Were the few journalists waving a red flag get any play at all or were they marginalized if not outright buried? Can you think of an example in the last 30 years where such a journalistic failure had such far reaching consequences?

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And the quote of Buchanan was intentionally old to show this is not a trend that is new. As for looking for a TV gig he was running for president. He did not need to suck up to the networks and that statement (or the reverse) would not change anything for him (he was near the end of his run anyway). Not like by brown nosing the "liberal" media say, "Thanks, here is a free hour of prime time for you to rant."

Maybe, just maybe, a diehard conservative like Buchanan who is programmed to despise all things liberal and will trash them at any opportunity might have actually been speaking what he felt was true in this case?

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Originally by: Ademaro Imre

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So now your source is a self-proclaimed liberal who writes a books specifically to support his ideas. Comparing Goldberg to Dan Rather is pure idiocy. What did Goldberg produce on the scale that rivaled Rather's faked information on George Bush's National Guard record? Read the introductions of your books.

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Yes I can. Bill Moyers perception of time begins after 2001 and his production has nothing to do with bias. If it did, he would have published he dogma about the media and when Bill Clinton attacked Iraq because he said it had weapons of mass destruction in 1998. Remember that? Bill Moyer didn't tell you what to think? Just look at his list of sources and the video itself, and you can not detect bias in that video? Do you know anything, and I mean ANYTHING about Bill Moyers and what he puts on TV and radio? Its amazing you put credibility in a man whose primary source for his little video is a sexual predator that was on the Iraqi agents' payroll.

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OK, when a diehard conservative speaks his feelings, its the truth? Is that what you want to say? If conservative picked their number one conservative - you would go with what he has to say?

Pat Buchannon being a die-hard conservative is a whole other thread because conservatives are not anti-semitic.

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Primary source is one guy who is a sexual predator? Huh? Did you watch the video? Did you notice Tim Russert of MEET THE PRESS; Bob Simon of 60 MINUTES; Walter Isaacson, former president of CNN; and John Walcott, Jonathan Landay and Warren Strobel of Knight Ridder newspapers among others in the report? Did you happen to notice that there were NO frakking nuclear weapons? Did it pass you buy that the link between Iraq and 9/11 does not exist? What "one" source are you talking about?

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And when did Clinton attack Iraq in 1998? I seem to recall endless little shooting matches post Desert Storm I but I missed the part where Clinton invaded Iraq.

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Originally by: Minerva Vulcan

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But poor victimized Ulf...I weep lavender scented tears for you.

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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There... I just bought Mass Effect... I hope Fox is proud of itself

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Originally by: Ademaro Imre

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maybe you should read about all the background interview with Ritter for it, and Moyers obsession with discussing Ritter, before it was known he was a molestor.

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Your the War in Iraq had little to do with 9/11, you are confusing different things together. Did you happen to notice the reasons Bill Clinton attacked Iraq? Did you happen to read the interviews with ******'s interrogator that described ****** putting on such a front to convince Iran he had such weapons?

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Now I understand why you don't see any bias in the media, because you are a product of it! You are oblivious to this history as much as Moyers is - because it does not fit the agenda he wants to push. Perhaps this will refresh your memory {and remember this took place 4 months after Clinton obliterated an Sudanese aspirin factory)

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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h

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Originally by: Ademaro Imre

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maybe you should read about all the background interview with Ritter for it, and Moyers obsession with discussing Ritter, before it was known he was a molestor.

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As far as I am aware the charge against Ritter was dismissed. Last I heard in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. Also doesn't it strike you as just a bit too convenient timing for the charge to be leveled at a time when he was the most potent critic of the war in Iraq? It is hardly news that the Bush administration gleefully engages in character assassination.

However, even if we accept that Ritter is a scumbag child molester that changes nothing as regards his assertions. If it turned out Einstein was a child molester would the theory of relativity get thrown in the bin? I think not. You are engaging in an ad hominem attack. Try discrediting his arguments rather than slandering the person. It is not relevant to this discussion

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Your the War in Iraq had little to do with 9/11, you are confusing different things together. Did you happen to notice the reasons Bill Clinton attacked Iraq? Did you happen to read the interviews with ******'s interrogator that described ****** putting on such a front to convince Iran he had such weapons?

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I not confusing anything. Bill Clinton launched a measured attack based on intelligence he was given. George Bush attacked based upon intelligence except Bush's response was orders of magnitude beyond what Clinton did.

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Now I understand why you don't see any bias in the media, because you are a product of it! You are oblivious to this history as much as Moyers is - because it does not fit the agenda he wants to push. Perhaps this will refresh your memory {and remember this took place 4 months after Clinton obliterated an Sudanese aspirin factory)

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I know my history just fine. As mentioned above there is a world of difference between what Clinton did and what Bush did. Intelligence estimates rarely tell the President that X HAS nuclear weapons. They give it as a likelihood or an estimate. Based upon that and knowing the kind of guy ******* was launching a strike on some factories I do not think is undue.

However, when a President wants to take the country to war I think the standards need to be somewhat higher. A LOT higher. In general the American public thought so as well so the administration exaggerated what their intelligence was telling them. It is here where the media should have been more questioning and probing. In a real sense the free press is a guardian of democracy. By and large they failed miserably and peddled Bush's message for him.

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