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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1122
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:47:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I highly doubt CCP would give a tough punishment on any CSM member caught for the first time.
Hell, CCP probably settle with a promise not to do it again.
Last thing CCP want's to do is have the CSM mad at them, especially since CCP is still busy placating the player base for last summer. Guess you weren't around when CCP removed Ankhesentapemkah from the CSM.
Back then CCP also didn't have a multitude of events happen that almost toppled their empire.
Not to mention that was for breaking NDA which usually has severe consequences in real life.
This topic is about violating the EULA which rarely has an impact on real life events. |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
76
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:05:00 -
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ILikeMarkets wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote: Take Mittens for example. He's the head of the CSM, runs Goonswarm, proclaims he's the most influential player...
lol. Sure he is 
Just quoting Eve News |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
76
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:05:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:this guy thinks i log into eve online more than once in a blue moon
cute
Used you as an example. It was 0500 and I couldn't remember Montolio's name at the time |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1214

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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:52:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:yes it's biased, CCP Punkturis hates me, therefore she loves you all and by doing this her feelings are biased towards me CCP Punkturis hear meh
whaaaaaat how could I hate you?
you're the only one who has offered to make streets of flowers just for me!  CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
106
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:53:00 -
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I don't know about how it works for bans and such, but I got a bug report answered within less than 3 hours. On a Sunday. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
76
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:39:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:yes it's biased, CCP Punkturis hates me, therefore she loves you all and by doing this her feelings are biased towards me CCP Punkturis hear meh whaaaaaat how could I hate you? you're the only one who has offered to make streets of flowers just for me! 
I can't tell if you're trying to reassure us it doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't look like it. |

Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:46:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:yes it's biased, CCP Punkturis hates me, therefore she loves you all and by doing this her feelings are biased towards me CCP Punkturis hear meh whaaaaaat how could I hate you? you're the only one who has offered to make streets of flowers just for me! 
This was offered to be planted/created in Iceland? (In Atlanta, she could just throw some Kudzu around, toss polka-dot paint on it and it'd look like 'streets of flowers') |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1230
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:09:00 -
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CCP hates lone wolf players and for some uncomfortable reason it turns me on.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
346
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:18:00 -
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Super Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
338
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:00:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:CCP hates lone wolf players and for some uncomfortable reason it turns me on. Nah. I'm lone most of the time... I've done some messed up smack to people. One time I got petitioned by someone who I was trying to discredit and make a few bucks from, and it was legal grey area. Obviously I'm not going into detail on that, but they sided w/ the famous guy and not me. They did, however, go in and edit evelopedia and associated policy threads to make it crystal clear that what I did was a no-go. That's a lot of trouble those GMs went to for something I did that took only a few moments just to make sure the rules were clear. The thing is, if I (or most others who ride the grey line) were to have something happen where I felt favoritism was shown, I'd probably be yapping about it in the forums. This player community is insane. By that I mean there are some real nutters that share space with us and will go to ridiculous lengths to support whatever stupid crusade they are on. I'm certain CCP is more cognizant of that than I... they know you can't bury a story (a'la T20).
If there is a fair shake to be had, it's the petition system. They will take the time to explain everything and make sure both parties are satisfied, or if not satisfied at least aware of the rules and why the judgement shook out the way it did. It's all standard fair.
Acac Sunflyier wrote:If CCP ever find out that somebody relevant to them, like Chribba for example, were to have violated the EULA in a bannable manner, do you think they'd burry it or let them off with a lesser punishment than they would say John Doe? Let's say Chribba was selling Veldspar for RL money, as a hypothetical. What I would do is ban him outright because if anyone knows what CCP's policies are, it's him. What you are suggesting, OP, is that CCP might just ignore him? I think in practice though, it would be handled like anyone else getting busted for RMT. He would get a warning and maybe some of his smack or ISK would be impounded. Second offence probably a two week ban and other stuff confiscated. After that, he might get his chars banned altogether. Dealing with it in that vanilla way ensures that when Chribba comes back to the forums to complain about how unfairly he was treated, everyone will be able to see all the events that transpired were handles the same as they might have been handled for anyone else. When Hellicity (sp?) got banned during the riots yah people complained... but eventually all the ins and outs of why ended up on the table and people realized that it would have been the same for anyone else.
Acac Sunflyier wrote:Take Mittens for example. He's the head of the CSM, runs Goonswarm, proclaims he's the most influential player, and all together makes a lot of noise in Eve. CCP has player accounts that are anonymously apart of the population, hire people from Eve, and is very active in the community. It stands to reason CCP has some kind of relation to Mittens. If mittens were to bot and raise the flags that CCP uses to track bots, do you think they'd go easier on him than anybody else? Perhaps let him off with a warning where they'd usually ban somebody? After all, he's on the CSM, leads an alliance, and does stuff.
Again, Mittens knows the rules better than most, certainly better than I. ...and while I would again ban his a55 in a second for any infraction, CCP wouldn't. He's done some really crazy smack in this game, but like anyone else, he has to follow the rules. If he breaks them the punishment would be no less or greater than it would be for any of us "common" people. He's just in a position to do something huge that effects the whole game... and if what he did was against the rules and it wasn't a repeat offence, I'm sure he would just get a warning. So when you look at it like that, I think at a glance it might seem unjust that everyone is treated the same, but you can't say that it's unfair or favoritism, because after T20 I really haven't heard of even a single creditable case of a dev showing favoritism.
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Ai Shun
262
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Posted - 2012.02.13 02:00:00 -
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I find myself strangely at ease with the idea of favouritism in EVE Online; to a point. Allow me to explain, using Gogela's example. If, for example, I was engaged in RMT and were caught doing so I would expect a full ban immediately. This would seem fair to me, because, well. I broke the rules and in terms of my value to EVE Online I'm just another $15.
If the same happened to the Mittani or to Chribba or to another of the EVE celebrities I'd expect them to receive a warning, a wallet hit and closer scrutiny in the future. Because, the cost of banning them is far larger than just another $15. They are the types of players who devote a significant amount of their personal time and real resources to the game. In a way they are like mini CCP employees. So while I wouldn't expect them to get off scot-free; I would expect the penalties against them to be lower because they are more valuable to the game overall.
By that token, of course, I expect the odds of them being involved in something dodgy is also commensurately lower because of the higher level of scrutiny they automatically have. Or maybe that's just a day-dream 
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
339
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Posted - 2012.02.13 02:51:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:I find myself strangely at ease with the idea of favouritism in EVE Online; to a point. Allow me to explain, using Gogela's example. If, for example, I was engaged in RMT and were caught doing so I would expect a full ban immediately. This would seem fair to me, because, well. I broke the rules and in terms of my value to EVE Online I'm just another $15. If the same happened to the Mittani or to Chribba or to another of the EVE celebrities I'd expect them to receive a warning, a wallet hit and closer scrutiny in the future. Because, the cost of banning them is far larger than just another $15. They are the types of players who devote a significant amount of their personal time and real resources to the game. In a way they are like mini CCP employees. So while I wouldn't expect them to get off scot-free; I would expect the penalties against them to be lower because they are more valuable to the game overall. By that token, of course, I expect the odds of them being involved in something dodgy is also commensurately lower because of the higher level of scrutiny they automatically have. Or maybe that's just a day-dream  See... I disagree with this. In particular the way you are monetizing your "value" vs someone better known is wrong within the context of the policy. If it could be said for the sake of argument that your character, Ai Shun, is worth 129 bucks a year and Mittani is worth say 3 grand a year (again, just speaking hypothetically here) it wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things because even with Mittens significantly higher subscription premiums they are a drop in the bucket for CCP in terms of total revenue or operating budget. The quality of the game play is the draw for all of these subscriptions. If it was understood that CCP would arbitrarily pull the plug on your accounts on a whim, or that the field of play would be actively tilted by CCP away from a newcomer, this game would be as worthless as any other MMO that pops up and goes away in a few months. CCP's only currency is the legitimacy of the game. That's all they have. 10 years from now EVE will look like Elite in relative terms of graphics and assuming no further development is done. People in this game make a 1 and 2 year plan (I had never even heard of such a thing in a game until I played this one) because they have faith in CCP's commitment to continue to develop the game and keep what few rules there are in place and adjudicated in an even handed way. Most of those subscriptions would go away if this were not the case. So to paraphrase my Marine drill instructor from boot: "we are all equally worthless pieces of sh**". No single pilot's subscription money makes that big a difference. The perception overall of EvE is what has value. If you combined your subscription fees with Mittens, CCP could buy a few rolling chairs for some coder's office. If the perception was that there is favoritism in eve and a nub can't get a fair shake, CCP's going to have to sell their whole building.
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Ai Shun
262
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Posted - 2012.02.13 04:57:00 -
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Gogela wrote:See... I disagree with this. In particular the way you are monetizing your "value" vs someone better known is wrong within the context of the policy.
-- snip ---
If the perception was that there is favoritism in eve and a nub can't get a fair shake, CCP's going to have to sell their whole building.
Ah, I hear you. If I gave the impression a new player would not get a fair shake, my apologies. I'd want them to get a fair shake according to the rules published by CCP. However, I see more value in the notoriety and fame that brand names like the Mittani and Chribba and others bring to EVE Online than I see in the value of their subscription dollars, so I am okay with the idea of people who are very visible testaments to EVE Online getting a bit more slack on their first offences.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1561
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Posted - 2012.02.13 06:52:00 -
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OP is just a jealous nobody that probably got caught rmting or something to compensate for losing failfit myrmidons. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1215

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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:23:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote: I can't tell if you're trying to reassure us it doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't look like it.
Yeah, I think Tanya might be my favorite weird stalker - it's a tough competition though, I have a few
Duvida wrote:This was offered to be planted/created in Iceland?  (In Atlanta, she could just throw some Kudzu around, toss polka-dot paint on it and it'd look like 'streets of flowers')
just in New Eden  CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
76
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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:57:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote: I can't tell if you're trying to reassure us it doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't look like it.
Yeah, I think Tanya might be my favorite weird stalker - it's a tough competition though, I have a few Duvida wrote:This was offered to be planted/created in Iceland?  (In Atlanta, she could just throw some Kudzu around, toss polka-dot paint on it and it'd look like 'streets of flowers') just in New Eden 
Did you even read my original post? Or, is your lack of an out right denial an attempt to say there is favoritism when it comes to enforcing the EULA? |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1215

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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:00:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote: I can't tell if you're trying to reassure us it doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't look like it.
Yeah, I think Tanya might be my favorite weird stalker - it's a tough competition though, I have a few Duvida wrote:This was offered to be planted/created in Iceland?  (In Atlanta, she could just throw some Kudzu around, toss polka-dot paint on it and it'd look like 'streets of flowers') just in New Eden  Did you even read my original post? Or, is your lack of an out right denial an attempt to say there is favoritism when it comes to enforcing the EULA?
I have nothing to do with banning people or seeing if people are enforcing the EULA. I just saw Tanya was talking about me so I replied to her. My reply to her wasn't a reply to your original post.
I'm sorry I posted unrelated stuff in your thread - won't post again. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
76
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:03:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote: I can't tell if you're trying to reassure us it doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't look like it.
Yeah, I think Tanya might be my favorite weird stalker - it's a tough competition though, I have a few Duvida wrote:This was offered to be planted/created in Iceland?  (In Atlanta, she could just throw some Kudzu around, toss polka-dot paint on it and it'd look like 'streets of flowers') just in New Eden  Did you even read my original post? Or, is your lack of an out right denial an attempt to say there is favoritism when it comes to enforcing the EULA? I have nothing to do with banning people or seeing if people are enforcing the EULA. I just saw Tanya was talking about me so I replied to her. My reply to her wasn't a reply to your original post. I'm sorry I posted unrelated stuff in your thread - won't post again.
Oh god, I chased off the only CCP person I ever see do forum stuff. I'M SORRY! |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
508

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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:31:00 -
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I dont know how the CCP officials which actually carry out our policy avoid any favouritism. There should be some basic due diligence and checks and balances in place, just like there are in any executive branch of any entity in the western world. This is why we have IA.
But favoritism is just a bad word for "experience". I show favoritism in all aspects of my life and do not feel that it is inappropriate. I will treat people differently based on my experience with them. For example I will avoid talking to that annoying guy who wouldn't leave me alone the last time I met him at the pub. I will also not buy him any drinks because he's shown that he's rather annoying when he is drunk and I don't feel like being annoyed.
This is of course not favouritism, but I would then most likely extend that opinion of mine to any of his friends that I do not know. Again this is because I do not want to be annoyed while I'm at the pub interacting with people and I'm not going to "test" their character and risk being stuck with someone explaining the finer points of his 2nd edition AD&D Paladin (I've been stuck in this conversation, yes. And I love AD&D.. at some point I just have to be allowed to talk as well because your Paladin is only that interesting to me).
But that just tells me how I deal with people in the pub. It has no effect on CCPs policy or the practice thereof. I just saw philosophical wonderings about the human condition and thought I'd post some nonsense about it. After all, I do like the sound of my fingers striking the keys! 
P.S. Be nice to Punkturis. I'd give you a reason but you shouldn't need one to be nice to people.  ~ CCP Prism X EVE Database Developer If anything in this post was informative or could be considered as 'good news' to you - chances are you've misread it. |
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My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:31:00 -
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Well, from remembering the "Monkey incident" which was (is) a member of PL, EULA was broken for MANY times/ways. And, as far as i know nobody was banned, so there might be some kind of "favors" for the biggies. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
225
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:53:00 -
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Officially? Of course CCP don't play favourites. Unofficially? Is anyone really naive enough to believe that it doesn't happen? The only thing you can do is hope that its not to widespread and doesn't shaft the players to any great extent. Not that I believe that CCP is particularly corrupt or anything, its just how it works for any company or service provider.
People who work in IT call centres at a telecoms firm get friends moved up the priority list, GMs from MMO providers pass things along to RL friends that play the game, the guy who works in supply's will get stationary for his friends.
All that day to day dodgyness and corruption is a part of life, CCP as a company made up of human beings isn't magically exempt from it. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2911
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:06:00 -
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My Postman wrote:Well, from remembering the "Monkey incident" which was (is) a member of PL, EULA was broken for MANY times/ways. And, as far as i know nobody was banned, so there might be some kind of "favors" for the biggies.
Many assertions were made but nothing was actually proven IIRC. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2450
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:04:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:For example I will avoid talking to that annoying guy who wouldn't leave me alone the last time I met him at the pub. I will also not buy him any drinks because he's shown that he's rather annoying when he is drunk and I don't feel like being annoyed. All I wanted to know was what cool SELECT and UPDATE statements you used 
  
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oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:07:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Officially? Of course CCP don't play favourites. Unofficially? Is anyone really naive enough to believe that it doesn't happen? The only thing you can do is hope that its not to widespread and doesn't shaft the players to any great extent. Not that I believe that CCP is particularly corrupt or anything, its just how it works for any company or service provider.
People who work in IT call centres at a telecoms firm get friends moved up the priority list, GMs from MMO providers pass things along to RL friends that play the game, the guy who works in supply's will get stationary for his friends.
All that day to day dodgyness and corruption is a part of life, CCP as a company made up of human beings isn't magically exempt from it.
This, its all there...
Also, this forum needs a "dislike" option, or just remove the "like" one.
Also, we are Writing, Not Talking!
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ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:24:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Gogela wrote:See... I disagree with this. In particular the way you are monetizing your "value" vs someone better known is wrong within the context of the policy.
-- snip ---
If the perception was that there is favoritism in eve and a nub can't get a fair shake, CCP's going to have to sell their whole building. Ah, I hear you. If I gave the impression a new player would not get a fair shake, my apologies. I'd want them to get a fair shake according to the rules published by CCP. However, I see more value in the notoriety and fame that brand names like the Mittani and Chribba and others bring to EVE Online than I see in the value of their subscription dollars, so I am okay with the idea of people who are very visible testaments to EVE Online getting a bit more slack on their first offences. CCP could also use the fame of those people to their advantage, by forcing them to publicly apologise if they want to keep playing the game (in addition to a punishment, not a replacement), with the idea of raising the profile of that issue (EULA violation, botting, RMT, etc) and showing potential violators that anyone can and will be caught.
My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:56:00 -
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What no IF THEN ELSE for cross referencing validity statements and coroboration? 
@OP;
Does favouratism exist? Yes, else the world would be grey.
"Are CCP corruptable?" I think is the question and ironically due to the nature of that questioning and who it's targetted at you either have faith in that or push for transparency or an informed view, but even then you would question the source if corruptability was an issue. Having reasonable doubts however is a healthy start rather than simply accepting things verbatum especially with some of the outlandish claims some of the CSM are pandering currently.
If I can ask the OP, what kind of responce would placate your suspicions? |

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:38:00 -
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Favoritism has existed in EVE for a very long time and there have been multiple incidents in the past due to this. Mostly because it is the negative part of developers communicating close with their player base. So alternatively we could have developers never posting on the forums and being (even more ) out of touch with their player base than currently.
There have not been any major blatant favoritism incidents for some time now, but that generally just means that a new one will pop up soon as part of the cycle. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
238
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:38:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:P.S. Be nice to Punkturis. I'd give you a reason but you shouldn't need one to be nice to people. 
God love you for trying but this the is EVE forums, are you new round here or something? 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:51:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:CCP Prism X wrote:P.S. Be nice to Punkturis. I'd give you a reason but you shouldn't need one to be nice to people.  God love you for trying but this the is EVE forums, are you new round here or something? 
Well in his favor, at least the guy has the balls to admit his favoritism...
CCP Prism X wrote: I show favoritism in all aspects of my life and do not feel that it is inappropriate.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:05:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:this guy thinks i log into eve online more than once in a blue moon
cute
Unless I am missing the point of some sort of Mittani whimsical joke, why is he on the CSM? |
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