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Vosace
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Posted - 2008.01.24 23:46:00 -
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I'm debating how far to train this skill. Is there a point where I get a perfect reprocessing say at hopefully lvl 4 in a 50% refining facility?
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.01.24 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jameroz on 24/01/2008 23:58:21
I think you'll only need like level 1 or level 2 if you have refinery effiency 5 trained even without it you shouldn't need to train it to level 5 with 50% refinery.
Formula is [Station Equipment] + 0.375x(1+[Refining Skill]x0.02)x(1+[Refinery Efficiency Skill]x0.04)x(1+[Ore Processing Skill]x0.05) taken from Halada's excellent mining guide
The scrap metal skill would be considered ore processing skill 
Applies to pretty much everything except ore and ice.
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Vosace
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Posted - 2008.01.25 06:33:00 -
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Ok, so it works like ore processing. That means I only need to train it to 1.
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Florio
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:49:00 -
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i thought a perfect refine was at level 2 specialist refine skill at a 50% station where you had >6.66 standing?
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jameroz on 25/01/2008 19:06:09
 Originally by: Florio
i thought a perfect refine was at level 2 specialist refine skill at a 50% station where you had >6.66 standing?
I think Refining 5, Refining Effiency 4 and Ore Processing 1 is enough:
0.5 + 0.375 * ( 1 + 5 * 0.02 ) * ( 1 + 4 * 0.04 ) * ( 1 + 1 * 0.05 ) = 1.002425000
Another very intresting case is max skills in player owned Minmatar Refinery Outpost which has 35% and can be upgraded to 40%
in 35%:
0.35 + 0.375* ( 1 + 5 * 0.02 ) * 1 + 5 * 0.04 ) * ( 1 + 5 * 0.05 ) = .968750000
in 40%:
0.40 + 0.375 * ( 1 + 5 * 0.02 ) * ( 1 + 5 * 0.04 ) * ( 1 + 5 * 0.05 ) = 1.018750000
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Fswd
Gallente
Black Ops Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.26 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Florio
i thought a perfect refine was at level 2 specialist refine skill at a 50% station where you had >6.66 standing?
People never include station tax in their calcs, as if it isnt there
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Iracham
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.26 01:35:00 -
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Refinery Efficiency 5 and Refining 5 give a base refine in a 50% station of 99.5%, so you need Scrapmetal Processing 1 for perfect reprocessing, and you can't train Scrapmetal Processing without Refinery Efficiency 5.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.26 11:48:00 -
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when it 1st came out it only needed refining efficiency 4 - that got nurfed up before I could get it :-( [so had to got to 5]
with R,RE, Ore Processing [Scrap metal can be considered that]
@ a 50% station then you get full returns with
5:5:1
5:4:2
5:3:3
etc.
station tax has nothign to do with this - they will take a percentage unless you have a standing of 6.6667 or better
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.26 14:36:00 -
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Don't forget that scrapmetal processing needs Metallurgy V as well; only you can decide whether this is worth the couple of weeks for a skill that you might not have any other use for.
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San Badgeros
Gallente
EntroPrelatial Vanguard
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Posted - 2008.01.26 17:08:00 -
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And having Metallurgy is also useful as it reduces your Material Efficiency research time by 5% per level meaning you can get more cycles in the 30 day limit
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.01 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: San Badgeros
And having Metallurgy is also useful as it reduces your Material Efficiency research time by 5% per level meaning you can get more cycles in the 30 day limit
Point taken, although I've found that the 3-week wait for the lab slot in the first place slows things down much more.
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anomalousresult
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Posted - 2008.02.01 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: vanBuskirk
Originally by: San Badgeros
And having Metallurgy is also useful as it reduces your Material Efficiency research time by 5% per level meaning you can get more cycles in the 30 day limit
Point taken, although I've found that the 3-week wait for the lab slot in the first place slows things down much more.
For me it's less about the wait and more about the efficiency, ie it costs less to get it to the same level so you're in profit quicker.
But Scrap processing is a nice skill for someone to have in a corp. Makes those civilian shield boosters a bit more useful.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:03:00 -
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Refinery Efficiency 5 and Refining 5 give a base refine in a 50% station of 99.5%
So what level of reprocessing bonus implant would you need to get to 100%?
That might take up a valuable hardwiring slot, but if it saves having to train metallurgy V, maybe it's worth it!
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Quote:
Refinery Efficiency 5 and Refining 5 give a base refine in a 50% station of 99.5%
So what level of reprocessing bonus implant would you need to get to 100%?
That might take up a valuable hardwiring slot, but if it saves having to train metallurgy V, maybe it's worth it!
I think you need to have the H50 which has 2% bonus with Refinery Effiency 5 for the 50% stations.
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