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Boomer 4
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Posted - 2008.01.25 10:55:00 -
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 Originally by: bio spore
I had though that the introduction of the Heavy interceptors and their ability to stop every ship in their track 100% of the time was a mistake by CCP and that they would fix it at some point, but after reading their news post on the log in screen it looks like they actually ment it.
damn way to go to totally unbalance a game, no ship should have 100% stopping power or even 95% the same as no ship should have 95% or 100% ability to get away
First off there Heavy Interdicters, second off u need to be within 30km of target(depending on skill) for u to keep them from warping off. so it doesnt have a 100% stopping power, just as the smaller interdicter has a bubble but if u get out the bubble then your free!
I take it cant actually fly the ship or use the bubble, hence why your moaning about it.
And yes this is an alt as my Boss doesnt like me flaming on the forums but sometimes some people are stoooopid. the heavy dicters are overpowered but not in the way your talking, there tank is to much.
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bio spore
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: bio spore on 25/01/2008 13:49:55
BTW i'm not an alt, i'm pretty new to the game just like the other 10,000 people i see that have joined in the last few months.
All the items you suggest are great if you have been playing for years and have the skills learned.
One thing that gets stated on this forum a hundred times a day. "do not fly what you can't afford to loose" so i have a great chance of killing a hic with his mates in bs's sensor boosting him to hell hammering on me whle i'm in a t1 frig as not everyone can afford to loose more than a couple of mil on a ship.
Alts yes i really should pay another ú11 a month just to fly one gate ahead of my char.
There has been a hundred posts here over the last few weeks about how to get more people to come to low sec and yes introducing a ship that can insta target and jam you really is the way to go!
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: bio spore
Alts yes i really should pay another ú11 a month just to fly one gate ahead of my char.
There has been a hundred posts here over the last few weeks about how to get more people to come to low sec and yes introducing a ship that can insta target and jam you really is the way to go!
Unfortunatly yes an alt will get you further in the game and any long term player without one is pretty much handicaped. CCP arnt completely to blame though, they designed the game to promote team play, its just alot easyer to use an alt as its always there, available.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 25/01/2008 15:31:05
Originally by: bio spore
One thing that gets stated on this forum a hundred times a day. "do not fly what you can't afford to loose" so i have a great chance of killing a hic with his mates in bs's sensor boosting him to hell hammering on me whle i'm in a t1 frig as not everyone can afford to loose more than a couple of mil on a ship.
Uhmm... you seriously don't see what your problem is here? Do you really think you should have a chance of killing a HICtor (T2 cruiser btw) with a T1 frig (assuming you both know how to fly your ship)?
Your options now are the same as before. Scout, bring superior fire power, or attempt to escape. Escaping in a T1 frig is fairly easy if you have an MWD and a couple of i-stabs/nanos. WCS won't cut it with HICtors though. You need to adapt.
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Arvald
Caldari
Devilish Intentinos
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Zeba
Yes but none of that applys when some poor nub who barely knows how his own ship works let alone another gets pwnd at a camp with his 'travelling' wcs setup and looses a few hundred mil/bil in cargo that he thought was safe. Que forum rant.
unless this a stealth rant by a mommy pilot of course 
Not many nub's have a few hundred millions.
HICs usually only engage targets WORTH engaging (wich rarely are nubs).
People with millions (or billions) of ISK have played long enough to know better than going around un escorted.
(but I get what you'r saying, no pun intended) =)
     AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......oh wait...your serous
Originally by: Richard Phallus
go and get someone to take a golf club and take a good swing at your nuts by surprise when you walk into a dark room some time. This will prepare you for eve's pvp
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bio spore
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: bio spore on 25/01/2008 16:46:50
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Uhmm... you seriously don't see what your problem is here? Do you really think you should have a chance of killing a HICtor (T2 cruiser btw) with a T1 frig (assuming you both know how to fly your ship)?
No i don'texpect to be able to kill a hic in a t1 frig i was responding to an earlier comment where some one suggested just killing the hic.
Don't get me wrong here i have no problems with gate camps i find them fun if i get past great if i don't its o well it sure was fun trying.
But as my original post was only in relation to the power of the hic, i really though it was a mistake and i was totally surprised that they actually ment it
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whoyoulookingat
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: whoyoulookingat on 25/01/2008 17:08:38
Well this thread made me smile.. HIC's overpowered 
Yes, they have good tanks but then again what about certain BC's, HAC's, BS or Cap Ships? Guess you want all these to melt to a one volley frigate!!
And as others have stated as how to counter them.. ECM ? Neuts ? inert stabs / nanos ?
They lack serious dps and take an age to pop anything solo which means chances of re-enforcements coming before the job is finished is high, not the quickest on lock speeds so fitting your ship out correctly means you'll be in warp before they get a lock and if you jump into a camp who has one.. well duh, where's your scout??
If you don't adapt then prepare to die many times over 
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Boomer 4
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: bio spore
Edited by: bio spore on 25/01/2008 13:49:55
hammering on me whle i'm in a t1 frig as not everyone can afford to loose more than a couple of mil on a ship.
There has been a hundred posts here over the last few weeks about how to get more people to come to low sec and yes introducing a ship that can insta target and jam you really is the way to go!
Ok dude im sorry but i fly a Onyx and there a pain in the ass for locking times, and if ur in a nippy frigate thenu should be able to get away very fast! maybe the lesson is dont go to low sec till your ready??
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:32:00 -
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When these ships came out, I predicted a scheduled nerf for the end of february.
Now there has been an in game report (as you log in) on them , this further confirms my theory. As you will remember, their was an ingame report on Alliance P, only a few weeks before a huge nerfazoring.
Make use of the hinterdictors whilst ye can, as they have days numbered.
SKUNK
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BuffB
Amarr
13 apostle's
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:33:00 -
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2 words
BOO
HOO
Buffb
13 Apostles
Keepin it Financial!!!!
Nerf shuttles they shouldnt have a cargo bay!!!
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Thargat
People with millions (or billions) of ISK have played long enough to know better than going around un escorted.
(but I get what you'r saying, no pun intended) =)
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......oh wait...your serous
My statement still stands.
People who have played long enough to grind a couple of hundred mil probably knows better (and those 6 month old chars with freighters and/or heaps of money are most probably alts, for someone who should know better.
Though it still doesn't seem to keep them from whining their hearts out about the unfairness of it all.
SO, if people do know that there's a chance that they might get ganked by a camp and STILL run around hauling stuff solo it's either because they are:
willingly-ignorant (deserves what's comming)
stupid (evolution will rid us of these eventually)
or those willing to take the RISK involved (borderline to "mad persons", but hey, it's eve).
You judge what kind your next victim is.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Thargat
for someone who should know better.
Here's your point. I find an annoyingly large number of incompetents that are just not smart about things like this (by things like this, I mean, Eve, computers, normal stuff, life in general) or characters with the SP you are looking for that are bought by two week old noobs who proceed to fly very expensive ships not knowing how to use them.
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Major Stallion
Dragons Of Redemption
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:37:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: SloBones
It is susceptible to ECM no ship ever has 100% capability.
Irrelevant. Since the ship is fine until it can lock as fast as a frigate, and at that point any kind of EWAR you can throw at it is pointless.
Uh you clearly never heard of a falcon?
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jongalt
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:41:00 -
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a non-HiC pilot does not have a commensurate increase in efficacy to deal with HiC's. they have the same options they had before the hulls were introduced.
this is reason is enough to merit a discussion on whether the Warp Disruption Field Generator is "balanced" or not.
-jg.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 25/01/2008 19:51:47
Originally by: jongalt
a non-HiC pilot does not have a commensurate increase in efficacy to deal with HiC's. they have the same options they had before the hulls were introduced.
this is reason is enough to merit a discussion on whether the Warp Disruption Field Generator is "balanced" or not.
-jg.
Perhaps the situation was 'imbalanced' before the HIC's came out? For the record though, I doubt anyone is really debating the merit of the discussion. We just think the OP is wrong, and that HIC's and their disruption field generators are balanced. We ('we' as in those of us who think the HIC's are balanced) have also provided a lot of reasons for that, as well as a lot of options that - despite being available before the introduction of HIC's - was not as commonly used as one might expect. The loss ratio for low-sec traders, miners and the like need thus not increase. You guys just need to l2p.
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Haradgrim
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:00:00 -
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I'm just curious, do the people complaining about MoMs getting hit with the Nerf Bat think that there should have been no change to MoM funtionality in low-sec?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 25/01/2008 20:06:59
Originally by: Le Skunk
When these ships came out, I predicted a scheduled nerf for the end of february.
Now there has been an in game report (as you log in) on them , this further confirms my theory. As you will remember, their was an ingame report on Alliance P, only a few weeks before a huge nerfazoring.
Make use of the hinterdictors whilst ye can, as they have days numbered.
SKUNK
hmm...interesting theory.
given the insane mix of speed and tank a broadsword can run while in focused mode, and the absolutely insane tank an onyx can field, I wouldnt be surprised if there were some adjustments....
but the ship is here to stay, and I believe focused mode is here to stay as well.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:27:00 -
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If anything, I'd say HACtors aren't powerful enough. They still can't tank six different doomsdays all at once. |
Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: SloBones
Well when Eve Uni did that, you (well Rak) decced them
I'm not allowed in high sec something about being a criminal? The alliance is new so what rak has done really isn't my call or is what they do now. They dec whom ever they see fit and I think that's fair but that's a whole different argument.
My main point is the whine posts really need to stop. Every carebear gets their was. Why the EOS got nerfed into uselessness as with the Myrm. It's just stupid how a transport pilot losses a max stabbed ship to someone in a HIC and comes and cries on the forum. Why not use a scout (oh look there's a gate camp I'll come back later), or bring an escort that can ECM or attack any attacking ships. No No that makes too much sense. Lets come to the forum (with a newly created alt to avoid anyone finding out who I am and decing me out of spite) and cry about how overpowered a ship is because I'm lazy or have no friends or am too dumb to use a scout.
Pirates whined about WCS until they eventually got their own way how is that different to people complaining about the HICs?
Originally by: SloBones
******* Noobs if you can't take the heat stay the hell out of low sec and 0.0
A lot of "noobs" and "carebears" do choose to stay in high sec but the pirates whine and cry and expect CCP to force them into low sec by nerfing their chosen playstyle.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: SloBones
Edited by: SloBones on 25/01/2008 01:08:37
Carebear Stare Activate The HIC has major drawbacks. It's cap is next to nothing. It is susceptible to ECM no ship ever has 100% capability. Stop whining. Just because Pirates/outlaws actually have a decent ship for once doesn't mean it needs to get nerfed to high hell. I'm really getting tired of the carebears crying about how life unfair that they aren't invincible.
CCP should nerf HULKS they have too good of resists they shouldn't be allowed to perma- tank rats even in high sec. NERF the exhumers.
******* Noobs if you can't take the heat stay the hell out of low sec and 0.0
And post with your main you****got or don't post at all.
Mummys getting your warm milk ready as we speak
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Kumq uat
Gallente
Round Table Enterprises
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:58:00 -
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The only real problem I have with it is it has made blockade runners useless. Perhaps blockade runners should be the only ship immune to the focus script?
www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
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Bashia Petrov
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Posted - 2008.01.26 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bashia Petrov on 26/01/2008 00:14:20
I find these ships annoying at the least but not over powered.
I'll say, Yes I can fly them though I prefer Light Dictor due to agility ~ Anyways on to my point.
1. If your new to the game be a care bear, get in your shiny new BS then come take out the dictor ! seriously, you have 3 account slots use one to make an alt and run through low sec if you just want to "look around"
Stay in empire until you can fly a your ship well and have learned a few things about pvp. Get involved in a highsec War to learn...
2. Don't cry about ships that can kill you... given the right situation most any ship can kill the other ship... "dreamland"
3. Make friends, join a corp/alliance with a intel channel for region your flying in.
4. As much as I didn't like the idea of the Heavy dictor, its tank has long been desired... though in nearly every fleet engagement I've been in the General Primary order has been, Dictors, EW/Logistics, DPS depending on the composition of the hostile fleet of course. Thats why I fly light dictor, drop a bubble and coast out of the way at a cool 8+km/s warp to safety if getting shot, return and repeat..
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SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2008.01.26 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: SloBones
Edited by: SloBones on 25/01/2008 01:08:37
The HIC has major drawbacks. It's cap is next to nothing. It is susceptible to ECM no ship ever has 100% capability.
Which you can promptly solve with a logistics ship.
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Stop whining. Just because Pirates/outlaws actually have a decent ship for once doesn't mean it needs to get nerfed to high hell. {/quote]
I agree about the nerf, but piwats have the same tools that everyone else has had.
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I'm really getting tired of the carebears crying about how life unfair that they aren't invincible.
Hear hear! Stop the nerfs, let people use the tools (and possibly their brains) to figure it out.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.26 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: SloBones
It is susceptible to ECM no ship ever has 100% capability.
Irrelevant. Since the ship is fine until it can lock as fast as a frigate, and at that point any kind of EWAR you can throw at it is pointless.
Uh you clearly never heard of a falcon?
Just incase he does not get it, a successful cycle jams for 20 seconds.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.01.26 01:07:00 -
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FFS is this thread still going?
Originally by: Nice Guy
This means that the writer epicaly fails at english.
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Bashia Petrov
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Posted - 2008.01.26 01:36:00 -
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We like to beat a dead horse ~!~
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.26 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: bio spore
damn way to go to totally unbalance a game, no ship should have 100% stopping power or even 95% the same as no ship should have 95% or 100% ability to get away
lol wut
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aQurio
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.26 03:54:00 -
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When will the heavy interceptors be released?
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Jesnen
Amarr
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.01.26 07:04:00 -
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Does everybody remember the crying and stomping of feet over motherships in lowsec before the HIC's were released? The complaining never stops it seems, the subject just changes.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.26 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Thargat
Not many nub's have a few hundred millions.
You've obviously been in an organized player corp for too long and have forgotten what its like to be in empire as a real player and not some alliance members empire alt.  Just last week witnessed a year old player in an Obelisk with a cargo of 750 mil in long limbed roes jump into a known low sec camp which was being called out as such in the local chat and get promptly destroyed. Time in game has nothing to do with being a nub.
THEY DID WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!
errr wait I was on the top of that kill mail 
not joining a corp with any competence is a game killing experience. mixed tanks, hull reppers, and undersized guns amaze me. from every other mmo i played reading the forums have helped so much that I am shocked that players manage to get into eve and not check up on stuff.
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