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Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:27:00 - [661] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 09:13:20 Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Taliac If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? Simple answer really. Bob is looking for the good fights, we're not. We just want them dead. Fair enough. Do it in game without forum spin and constant invitations and NAPing to all that ever got hurt by BOB to join you. I'm sure everyone in EVE would like to see fight between Goons and BOB, one on one. They are almost dead anyways, so what do you have to lose? Obviously you have no idea. You see these guys when on the opposite side are the worst bullies and cheaters and me personally feel very convinced that the T20 incident and the leaked RKK forums proved that they are all in on it. We're ridding EVE of an unwanted element of cheaters. This war started as a crusade against someone who brought an unfair advantage to one entity and it will end with EVE being a better game and place to play. Do you seriosly believe that one tech 2 BPO made ANY difference whatsoever to bring "advanatge" to BOB compared to other alliances? Just tell me you are joking, please..... And do you think that because one member of RA was banned for ISK farming and selling (I don't know if that is true, I heard it on the forums Goon said it) we all should go and kill RA for being cheaters?
laotse The Flying Dutchmen Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:34:00 - [662] If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? this http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:34:00 - [663] Originally by: Zorland Do you seriosly believe that one tech 2 BPO made ANY difference whatsoever to bring "advanatge" to BOB compared to other alliances? Just tell me you are joking, please..... And do you think that because one member of RA was banned for ISK farming and selling (I don't know if that is true, I heard it on the forums Goon said it) we all should go and kill RA for being cheaters? Dude, stop repeating what others tell you and start using your brain. You will find a lot of interesting things there. Z ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:35:00 - [664] Originally by: Zorland Do you seriosly believe that one tech 2 BPO made ANY difference whatsoever to bring "advanatge" to BOB compared to other alliances? Just tell me you are joking, please..... And do you think that because one member of RA was banned for ISK farming and selling (I don't know if that is true, I heard it on the forums Goon said it) we all should go and kill RA for being cheaters? Dude, stop repeating what others tell you and start using your brain. You will find a lot of interesting things there. Selling isk and rigging the t2 bpo is two different issues. And yes I do seriously believe through what we know for a fact and what we've read through the RKK logs that they've continously bred a culture that's intertwined with ccp and I do believe that those contacts have been continously used to gain an unfair advantage And yes that's how this started and not everybody is stupid enough to forgot the reasons this started simply because alot of water has floated under the bridge. The underlying issues are still there, unresolved. Oh and laffo Zorland about engaging my brain. It's you who do not see clearly in this instance when you nerdrage against goons. I've had the same line of thought and reasoning quite clearly and calmly since this broke. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:37:00 - [665] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Zorland Do you seriosly believe that one tech 2 BPO made ANY difference whatsoever to bring "advanatge" to BOB compared to other alliances? Just tell me you are joking, please..... And do you think that because one member of RA was banned for ISK farming and selling (I don't know if that is true, I heard it on the forums Goon said it) we all should go and kill RA for being cheaters? Dude, stop repeating what others tell you and start using your brain. You will find a lot of interesting things there. Selling isk and rigging the t2 bpo is two different issues. And yes I do seriously believe through what we know for a fact and what we've read through the RKK logs that they've continously bred a culture that's intertwined with ccp and I do believe that those contacts have been continously used to gain an unfair advantage And yes that's how this started and not everybody is stupid enough to forgot the reasons this started simply because alot of water has floated under the bridge. The underlying issues are still there, unresolved. Oh and laffo Zorland about engaging my brain. It's you who do not see clearly in this instance when you nerdrage against goons. I've had the same line of thought and reasoning quite clearly and calmly since this broke. K mate, cheers to you.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 10:38:00 - [666] Originally by: laotse If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? this I just checked in game and it looks like your alliance is blue to us. -clp
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:12:00 - [667] Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 09:13:20 Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Taliac If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? Simple answer really. Bob is looking for the good fights, we're not. We just want them dead. Fair enough. Do it in game without forum spin and constant invitations and NAPing to all that ever got hurt by BOB to join you. I'm sure everyone in EVE would like to see fight between Goons and BOB, one on one. They are almost dead anyways, so what do you have to lose? I see you didn't reply to this Vile, so I will bump it. Maybe you missed it. Why not take on BOB alone? I don't think that will put you in any kind of disadvantage. You have 5000 member, 2-3 times more then any other alliance including BOB. You own biggest chunck of 0.0 and more stations then anyone. You are the biggest and strongest alliance in the game. Your members don't care about loses and are willing to lose whatever it takes to beat BOB. I think that if you took BOB on your own, everyone in EVE would have to shut up about Goons forever. I will be the first one to congratulate you and say I was wrong. So send MC cap ships back home, send RA capships back home, let North go back about their own bussines and let Snigg go back to high sec ganks in Jita in their stealth bombers. Solve this thing with BOB once and for all on your own and those few that don't have respect for Goonswarm will have to shut up.
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:15:00 - [668] Originally by: Zorland I see you didn't reply to this Vile, so I will bump it. Maybe you missed it. Why not take on BOB alone? I don't think that will put you in any kind of disadvantage. You have 5000 member, 2-3 times more then any other alliance including BOB. You own biggest chunck of 0.0 and more stations then anyone. You are the biggest and strongest alliance in the game. Your members don't care about loses and are willing to lose whatever it takes to beat BOB. I think that if you took BOB on your own, everyone in EVE would have to shut up about Goons forever. I will be the first one to congratulate you and say I was wrong. So send MC cap ships back home, send RA capships back home, let North go back about their own bussines and let Snigg go back to high sec ganks in Jita in their stealth bombers. Solve this thing with BOB once and for all on your own and those few that don't have respect for Goonswarm will have to shut up. they'll never shut up. eg: lol it took you x months to kill bob gj spoonswarm ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:23:00 - [669] Originally by: Zorland Fair enough. Do it in game without forum spin and constant invitations and NAPing to all that ever got hurt by BOB to join you. I'm sure everyone in EVE would like to see fight between Goons and BOB, one on one. They are almost dead anyways, so what do you have to lose? I could just repeat what you replied to as it basically answers your question in a satisfactory manner, but why not be a bit more verbose? First to the second part of your question as it hits to the root of the issue. There are a lot of people in eve who would love to see Goonswarm and BoB fight one v one, but those individuals do not include the directorate or even the general membership of Goonswarm. In that vein we have made the concious decision to bring as many of our friends with us as we can for the sole purpose of destroying BoB. We aren't in this for the good fights or even the mad props, we are simply here to kill bob and to do it in as much of an overwealming fashion as game mechanics will allow. For BoB this battle is about the journey, for us it's about the destination. As long as both sides get what they want there shouldn't be an issue right? As to the first part well I guess I just gotta say damn we sure do love to post and sparring with BoB on the forums is almost as much fun as sparring with them in game. Isn't it a great game how I can actually play a fairly major part of EVE when I'm not even logged in?
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:31:00 - [670] Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Zorland Fair enough. Do it in game without forum spin and constant invitations and NAPing to all that ever got hurt by BOB to join you. I'm sure everyone in EVE would like to see fight between Goons and BOB, one on one. They are almost dead anyways, so what do you have to lose? I could just repeat what you replied to as it basically answers your question in a satisfactory manner, but why not be a bit more verbose? First to the second part of your question as it hits to the root of the issue. There are a lot of people in eve who would love to see Goonswarm and BoB fight one v one, but those individuals do not include the directorate or even the general membership of Goonswarm. In that vein we have made the concious decision to bring as many of our friends with us as we can for the sole purpose of destroying BoB. We aren't in this for the good fights or even the mad props, we are simply here to kill bob and to do it in as much of an overwealming fashion as game mechanics will allow. For BoB this battle is about the journey, for us it's about the destination. As long as both sides get what they want there shouldn't be an issue right? As to the first part well I guess I just gotta say damn we sure do love to post and sparring with BoB on the forums is almost as much fun as sparring with them in game. Isn't it a great game how I can actually play a fairly major part of EVE when I'm not even logged in? I must say I think I disagree with what you stated are the reasons to say no. I don't think this is about BOB anymore, it's about Goonswarm as established 0.0 alliance. Now, I've seen people post on this forum how you became 0.0 alliance riding on other alliances tailcoats (RA for example). I must admit I share the same views. Wouldn't be wise for Goonswarm to prove everyone who thinks this wrong? They are pushed back into one region, moral must be low. And besides, it would be more fun for everyone including spectators.

Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:32:00 - [671] Edited by: Scavok on 31/01/2008 11:33:28 Originally by: Zorland Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 09:13:20 Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Taliac If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? Simple answer really. Bob is looking for the good fights, we're not. We just want them dead. Fair enough. Do it in game without forum spin and constant invitations and NAPing to all that ever got hurt by BOB to join you. I'm sure everyone in EVE would like to see fight between Goons and BOB, one on one. They are almost dead anyways, so what do you have to lose? I see you didn't reply to this Vile, so I will bump it. Maybe you missed it. Why not take on BOB alone? I don't think that will put you in any kind of disadvantage. You have 5000 member, 2-3 times more then any other alliance including BOB. You own biggest chunck of 0.0 and more stations then anyone. You are the biggest and strongest alliance in the game. Your members don't care about loses and are willing to lose whatever it takes to beat BOB. I think that if you took BOB on your own, everyone in EVE would have to shut up about Goons forever. I will be the first one to congratulate you and say I was wrong. So send MC cap ships back home, send RA capships back home, let North go back about their own bussines and let Snigg go back to high sec ganks in Jita in their stealth bombers. Solve this thing with BOB once and for all on your own and those few that don't have respect for Goonswarm will have to shut up. The simple answer is timezones. 95% of BoB play in one timezone, and Goonswarm's memberbase is very spread out, being primarily american with large groups of Euros and Anzacs. The Euro group is nowhere near the size of BoB alone. With the way POS mechanics work, all you need to survive is the ability to control a system for a few hours of the day. POS also obviously have a defensive advantage in that you can arm them, so you can't just match numbers in their primetime and expect to destroy them. It's the same thing for BoB in US primetime. They gave up doing just about anything in US primetime after Titans were nerfed. For the most part all they've done for the last 5-6 months is put nanoships in the pipe between the staging point and the op location to gank stragglers. Once in a blue moon their euros will have an alarm clock op. The only way out of a timezone war is kiting, but it's serious :effort: and mostly unreasonable when you have 100s of towers to kill.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:35:00 - [672] Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 11:36:12 Originally by: Scavok Originally by: Zorland The simple answer is timezones. 95% of BoB play in one timezone, and Goonswarm's memberbase is very spread out, being primarily american with large groups of Euros and Anzacs. The Euro group is nowhere near the size of BoB alone. With the way POS mechanics work, all you need to survive is the ability to control a system for a few hours of the day. POS also obviously have a defensive advantage in that you can arm them, so you can't just match numbers in their primetime and expect to destroy them. It's the same thing for BoB in US primetime. They gave up doing just about anything in US primetime after Titans were nerfed. For the most part all they've done in US primetime for the last 5-6 months is put nanoships in the pipe between the staging point and the op location to gank stragglers. Once in a blue moon their euros will have an alarm clock op. The only way out of a timezone war is kiting, but it's serious :effort: and mostly unreasonable when you have 100s of towers to kill. I'm sure something could be worked out, weekends maybe for the biggest fleet fights? RA was in a different time zone then LV and they all had fun together. Besides how do you play in RA unless you are Euro ofcourse?
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:37:00 - [673] Zorland, read what Vile said. We aren't knights jousting for the hand of a damsel, get this idea out of your head. -clp
Amarr Citizen 2373472356	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:39:00 - [674] Originally by: Zorland Now, I've seen people post on this forum how you became 0.0 alliance riding on other alliances tailcoats (RA for example). I must admit I share the same views. Wouldn't be wise for Goonswarm to prove everyone who thinks this wrong? Why would it be wise? ~ no not believin in urself ~ ~especially Brmble. ur tuff enuf 2 take da ruff~
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:42:00 - [675] Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 11:43:31 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 11:43:08 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Zorland, read what Vile said. We aren't knights jousting for the hand of a damsel, get this idea out of your head. Ah, but you shouldn't be affraid either that you will be beaten? I'm sorry I don't mean to troll, but that's the first thing that comes into my mind as the most obvious reason. At any rate, you don't think that's a good idea, so no need to further talk about it. I will make my own conclusions out of it.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 11:47:00 - [676] Originally by: Zorland I must say I think I disagree with what you stated are the reasons to say no. I don't think this is about BOB anymore, it's about Goonswarm as established 0.0 alliance. Now, I've seen people post on this forum how you became 0.0 alliance riding on other alliances tailcoats (RA for example). I must admit I share the same views. Wouldn't be wise for Goonswarm to prove everyone who thinks this wrong? They are pushed back into one region, moral must be low. And besides, it would be more fun for everyone including spectators. You have your opinion and you are of course welcome to it. From our side the only people we feel we have to impress speak Russian and French and we love them. It's probably best that they don't speak much english because we say some seriously stupid stuff.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:01:00 - [677] Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 11:43:31 Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 11:43:08 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Zorland, read what Vile said. We aren't knights jousting for the hand of a damsel, get this idea out of your head. Ah, but you shouldn't be affraid either that you will be beaten? I'm sorry I don't mean to troll, but that's the first thing that comes into my mind as the most obvious reason. At any rate, you don't think that's a good idea, so no need to further talk about it. I will make my own conclusions out of it. So again, hows finfleet these days?
Seras Corvus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:26:00 - [678] Edited by: Seras Corvus on 31/01/2008 12:27:49 Edited by: Seras Corvus on 31/01/2008 12:27:01 Edited by: Seras Corvus on 31/01/2008 12:26:18 Originally by: Zorland Now, I've seen people post on this forum how you became 0.0 alliance riding on other alliances tailcoats (RA for example). I must admit I share the same views. Wouldn't be wise for Goonswarm to prove everyone who thinks this wrong? They are pushed back into one region, moral must be low. And besides, it would be more fun for everyone including spectators. Thing is, we dont generally care what pubbies think of us. This game has bred us that way. Im fairly new (although I have kept an eye on Eve from SA for a long time) and I already get what the Swarm means about Eve now I have experienced it first hand. As its been said we dont want good fights like BoB claim to want. We want to punish BoB for thinking they could bully us out of the game. We are close to our goal. Stay tuned to see if we manage it, but dont think it matters if the rest of Eve hate our methods or dont think we could do it alone. This is not about fair game, this is about winning. Molle was the one who said this was personal.
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:57:00 - [679] I'm not sure if Zorland is a good troll or a bad one. I mean he's good in the way that he generates a lot of troll heat and causes massive amounts of posting. But he's bad because he's so transparent and he is making BoB look even more pathetic. So I dont know folks, I just dont know.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:59:00 - [680] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Taliac If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? hey.. we've worked hard to **** off everyone.. dont give them excuses to run away now No you didn't. You should be ashamed for swallowing that propaganda.

Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:08:00 - [681] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Zorland, read what Vile said. We aren't knights jousting for the hand of a damsel, get this idea out of your head. Except Remedial :V - Gob IXC Recruitment
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:12:00 - [682] Tolon \o/
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:17:00 - [683] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Zorland, read what Vile said. We aren't knights jousting for the hand of a damsel, get this idea out of your head. Except Remedial :V - Gob Knights don't take pictures of their naughty bits and email it to pigs on the internet.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:18:00 - [684] Originally by: Zorland Fair enough. Do it in game without forum spin and constant invitations and NAPing to all that ever got hurt by BOB to join you. I'm sure everyone in EVE would like to see fight between Goons and BOB, one on one. They are almost dead anyways, so what do you have to lose? not being terrible at diplomacy is a haxsploit, no honor goons should 1v1 like real men
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:21:00 - [685] also goons aren't in it for 'good fights', this is something like either an execution or an extended torture session depending on how you squint at it im sure bob would love some honor honor 1v1 'we're better than you' but this is far more hilarious for us this way
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:21:00 - [686] I'd also like to point out that Zorland the transparent BoB alt is a pedarast.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:31:00 - [687] Originally by: Zorland So send MC cap ships back home, send RA capships back home, let North go back about their own bussines and let Snigg go back to high sec ganks in Jita in their stealth bombers. Solve this thing with BOB once and for all on your own and those few that don't have respect for Goonswarm will have to shut up. Wait. Wait. Wait. Your Alliance leader said you planned to turn all eve against you for epic fights. Now you got it. Take it like a man.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:34:00 - [688] guys guys we planned all of eve to fight us in 2006 and we planned to lose oh god why is everyone fighting us no honor tbqh if it was a 1v1 we'd succeed we're just better than you, no really we are superior, STOP LINKING THOSE PICTURES IN LOCAL petitions
Fendragun Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:53:00 - [689] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Taliac If goons are so good call of your allies and take on bob on your own? hey.. we've worked hard to ** off everyone.. dont give them excuses to run away now No you didn't. You should be ashamed for swallowing that propaganda. Ashamed, suas your really havent changed since the 5 days have you. still a muppet _______________________________________________ S T A N** Former DICE ceo Former ATUK director Former MACE ceo
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:54:00 - [690] Originally by: Fendragun Ashamed, suas your really havent changed since the 5 days have you. still a muppet a muppet that took your regions, man that's gotta be embarrassing vOv



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