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Exortius Amarrus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 04:20:00 - [61] You will never win, what's the point of this thread?
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 05:00:00 - [62] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 05:03:00 Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? I see that your three months of experience in BoB has given you a taste of the mettle and resolve that BoB pilots have displayed throughout this war. Why, you must remember as far back as.. the Catch campaign.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 05:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? Much like Fix will never die?
Pradege D'Hallur Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.27 05:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Digicomm I would consider BoB alliance defeated when they no longer have Delve. I think the metric everyone seems to use is the space the alliance holds. So with that, when you evict BoB from Delve you have clearly won. You being... Goons RA UNL TCF IAC MC PL BRUCE MM IRON RZR PURE EVOKE KIA AAA Just a FYI, you will never defeat BoB, the cryilition will implode before that happens. Oh and didn't Mittens say BoB would be dead by January. Yes, your not killing them fast enough. No.............we are no where near delve..........be happy for that...
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.01.27 06:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 27/01/2008 03:16:21 Originally by: exxorr BTW why does that piece of ***** Ernesto Hooch get to post here without his tags turned on. Or is that only a rule for most people??? Sorry BOB alt, I'll need to pay 1mil for a corp like you did to post with your alt. btw, personal attacks are not welcome. I guess the truth hurts You realise Goons have achieved the same as BOB, they are now top alliance with bragging rights? Oh..and your breath smells funny What's happening with the BloBbit alts is that they're realizing that they're getting curbstomped by people who in their mind, suck, are horrible, and have never done anything. Also, who don't exist. BoB getting killed by non-existant people who suck. That must be extremely bad for one's ego. Might make you lash out and act stupid or make sockpuppets to post with. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.01.27 06:55:00 - [66] If GS wishes to defeat BoB you must do the one thing that will kill a pvper, make peace. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:06:00 - [67] In all propagandistic fairness (I call dibs on this term) BoB should publicly or privately concede defeat at the point which they used to claim victory in their previous campaigns. That shouldn't be hard to find out in these forums. Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:34:00 - [68] Originally by: TWD OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? So, what you're saying now is that the greatest PVPers in eve history were Fountain Alliance. They held against BoB under impossible odds for ages (in Fountain) until finally merging into R I S E.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:55:00 - [69] They have been truly destroyed when no one posts on their KB anymore...they have been defeated when they lose their space... RedSwarm can defeat them but not destroy them, thats up to the members... -MDK Info-
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:56:00 - [70] i defeated bob in 2001 actually while at this gyro place in baltimore the gyros were pretty good anyway this is all going according to my gyro eating plan, you are at the mercy of ~Da PuPpEtMaStA~~~~~~~~~~ so this thread is moot
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? hey you were in fix until very recently so i guess you know a lot about alliances which will 'never be defeated'
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:02:00 - [72] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 08:02:31 Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? hey you were in fix until very recently so i guess you know a lot about alliances which will 'never be defeated' This is my thread, Mittens. Back off. We all know what the consequences will be if you fail to follow my instructions. (da bytez)
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:29:00 - [73] k this war is over. happy now? COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:40:00 - [74] We already won.: BOB is trying to convince themselves that this is what they want, but we know it isn't, because no one loves lagging fleet fights that rest on CCP's hamsters rather than pilot and fc skills. No one likes to be ordered not to go roaming all over Eve because you are permanently needed at home for defense ops. If BOB pilots believe that we will soon retreat, they don't know RSF at all. BOB mid 2007 is not the BOB of mid 2006. The real BOB likes to be in control and on the offensive. To be a bully, dictate other people's standings list, other people's territory use and destroy alliances that would not listen to "reason". Something they haven't been able to do for a very long time. The coalition are dictating where they should form up their fleets now, and it's only going to get worst starting Sunday. It's as if we controlled their game really vOv. BOB was also about keeping a certain personnel k/b ratio and having a stringent recruitment policy. Yet now, they'll take anyone who plays actively in the EU and US timezones because they need numbers. People who were previously turned down are now commonly accepted. This of course translates into less skilled pilots, and instead of all t2 ships and battleships, their fleets now consist of a mix of t1 and t2. Caracals, Drakes and Hurricanes are becoming more common on their loss pages. In my opinion, they lost their aura if awesomeness and have become just another big bloated alliance whose sudden high participation comes solely from fresh recruits supported by the reserves of wealth accumulated while they had it good for a long time. We don't see the old BOB names in battle any more, a lot of them aren't even in BOB any longer either. They wanted more fun and joined ganking entities who don't bother with POS wars in order to play eve they want it, not the way Molle forces them.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Shinori We already won.: BOB is trying to convince themselves that this is what they want, but we know it isn't, because no one loves lagging fleet fights that rest on CCP's hamsters rather than pilot and fc skills. No one likes to be ordered not to go roaming all over Eve because you are permanently needed at home for defense ops. If BOB pilots believe that we will soon retreat, they don't know RSF at all. BOB mid 2007 is not the BOB of mid 2006. The real BOB likes to be in control and on the offensive. To be a bully, dictate other people's standings list, other people's territory use and destroy alliances that would not listen to "reason". Something they haven't been able to do for a very long time. The coalition are dictating where they should form up their fleets now, and it's only going to get worst starting Sunday. It's as if we controlled their game really vOv. BOB was also about keeping a certain personnel k/b ratio and having a stringent recruitment policy. Yet now, they'll take anyone who plays actively in the EU and US timezones because they need numbers. People who were previously turned down are now commonly accepted. This of course translates into less skilled pilots, and instead of all t2 ships and battleships, their fleets now consist of a mix of t1 and t2. Caracals, Drakes and Hurricanes are becoming more common on their loss pages. In my opinion, they lost their aura if awesomeness and have become just another big bloated alliance whose sudden high participation comes solely from fresh recruits supported by the reserves of wealth accumulated while they had it good for a long time. We don't see the old BOB names in battle any more, a lot of them aren't even in BOB any longer either. They wanted more fun and joined ganking entities who don't bother with POS wars in order to play eve they want it, not the way Molle forces them. how do I import my gf.com ignore list to eve-o?
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:47:00 - [76] Originally by: CobraBytez how do I import my gf.com ignore list to eve-o? Goebel Fixtures Company doesn't have the ignore feature on their portfolio browser.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:08:00 - [77] Ahh, i see nothing but goonmorons posting again, must be e-peen-jaculation time again. I think the mods reading this forum need to lock it as it's become nothing but trolling.
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:11:00 - [78] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Ahh, i see nothing but goonmorons posting again, must be e-peen-jaculation time again. I think the mods reading this forum need to lock it as it's become nothing but trolling. I see 54 none-Goon postings, perhaps it is you who is the moron and troll?
Phonix Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:13:00 - [79] When you end up like IRON, I would call that defeated CEO of Fate
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:21:00 - [80] Since the lot of your are in the south, I take it you are going to lay seige to bob. I assume you will be using dreads, though personally, I dont like the revelation as it carries less seige cycles than any other dread for some reason I dont understand. But how long do you reckon it will be before band of bothers is sent to jita or Amarr space? Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Phonix When you end up like IRON, I would call that defeated The BOB pilots dying to Iron roaming gangs in Delve cry otherwise.
Phenia 0-0 Space Squad Culture Shock Initiative	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:24:00 - [82] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 01:38:03 @twd: You said that my glorious CEO made a statement, which isn't true. Our former CEO did. He's glorious too by the way. RA was never kicked out of c-j, and the odds were much worse than those BoB is facing today. You know, the difference between 1 and 0 is pretty important, won't you agree on this. As for tribute and D2, I admit my ignorance. Correct a major historical innacuracy here: RA -WAS- kicked out of C-J. They -WERE- down to 0 stations for a few days after Cache fell. AND THEN they counterspammed C-J and retook it more or less overnight (30 deathstars deployed by cargo-exploit carriers ftw.) The grind to RE-TAKE C-J, and in particular to deal with 10min module lag on a Dreadnaught with 1/6 of current dreads hitpoints, being hit by 100 t2 sniper bs at 240km was where RA won. -------------------------- Troll? Me?
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Jonny JoJo But how long do you reckon it will be before band of bothers is sent to jita or Amarr space? We have a very strict timetable at the end of which we consider ourselves defeated. No seriously we do and it is
amagonsan Minmatar Perpetual Reality Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:27:00 - [84] "If you injure someone only lightly they can still take revenge, if you crush them they can not revenge" - Machiavelli Driving BoB out of delve is only a light injury, and will insure that bob will come back in force sometime in the future to take revenge. Crushing BoB by killing their super-capitals, taking their space, and having them disband is the only way to insure victory, untill you accomplish that, BoB is not defeated.
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Phenia RA -WAS- kicked out of C-J. They -WERE- down to 0 stations for a few days after Cache fell. So you think that losing one's station even temporarily is enough to be considered defeated? Then you whine about unable to outsmart an handful of RA with a coalition the size of 1/4 of Eve.
d4ve InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:29:00 - [86] Originally by: Phonix When you end up like IRON, I would call that defeated 'sup Phonix, how's life in Fate.? ___
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:32:00 - [87] Originally by: amagonsan Crushing BoB by killing their super-capitals, taking their space, and having them disband is the only way to insure victory, untill you accomplish that, BoB is not defeated. What you're saying is if someone retreats constantly and does not put their capital ships on the online, they are never defeated. How terribly dumb of you.
Dansker Taumatu	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:44:00 - [88] Thats easy. An alliance is defeated when XirtamVOTF joins its ranks. Don't shoot!
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:46:00 - [89] Originally by: CobraBytez Originally by: TWD OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? So, what you're saying now is that the greatest PVPers in eve history were Fountain Alliance. They held against BoB under impossible odds for ages (in Fountain) until finally merging into R I S E. Not my words! ON TOPIC: I don't think the coalition has what it takes, I think they need more numbers.
Iron Zarkasm Gallente Zarkastic Disease	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:46:00 - [90] Victory is a soft thing with many faces: from surrender, conditionally or unconditionally, Disbanding of Brothers and alliance closure, loosing all/main part of territorial sovereignity or pushback to empire/jove/<enter constellation>, logistical or financial ruin or failing of predifined goals of BoB may seal their destiny enough to speak about victory. The only condition unreachable in Eve is total destruction (death) of all their members. So there will be no total victory. Imo, SoCo make them surrender, loose all their space, with no 0.0 left for couple of weeks, or let them have some systems and pay huge tributes are the only realistic conditions to talk about a glorious victory. And it'll be a daunting task in the end, as only americans in iraq may talk about victory with a guerrilla in their backs.

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