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Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:14:00 - [1] Every little game has its rules, and it seems that we can't agree on which set of rules are we using in Delve. There was an interesting discussion on "that other forum" but somehow it got locked and posts deleted; so here we are on good old CAOD. Here's the million dollars question: What are the terms under which Band of Brothers will be considered defeated? Molle said his terms on "that other forum", which I won't repost here as he's free to do it any time. And stop falling for the most evident alt trolls, jeez. Use CAOD cleaner if you can't resist. -clp
Jordan Musgrat Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:15:00 - [2] um no. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
IndustryGamer Black Hounds	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:16:00 - [3] when bob disbands its defeated?
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:21:00 - [4] when coranor 1v1's me in a rupture, that will be the most crushing defeat
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:24:00 - [5] Fighting a territorial war, you lose when you lose all your territory.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Fighting a territorial war, you lose when you lose all your territory. agreed --------- Executive Outcomes - Pet Training Manual
WuhnHungLo Crazy Rebellious Agressors Purple Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:26:00 - [7] When BoB disbands, you have completely won. Drive them at of Delve, and you've "won," but history tells us that driving an alliance out of 0.0 doesn't necessarily constitute victory. cough Goons cough
Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Fighting a territorial war, you lose when you lose all your territory. But what if it's like that mod for Medieval II where your armies all band together with their leader when you lose your territory and you become a roaming wolf pack more dangerous than before due to the fact that you don't have to worry about keeping all your cities garrisoned. Come to think of it, nothing of note usually happens for those kingdoms either; their leader usually just dies and they end up forgotten.
Baline Aegis Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:40:00 - [9] What was Molle's answer in GBBS ? (dude, you just gave me the rights to post there, and it has now disappeared. Reimburse ! )
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:43:00 - [10] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 00:42:57 Originally by: Baline Aegis What was Molle's answer in GBBS ? (dude, you just gave me the rights to post there, and it has now disappeared. Reimburse ! ) They roughly were: A) Lose all the stations and B) BoB dissolves -clp
Vaustrien Caldari The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:47:00 - [11] Its interesting you say that, because my take on the terms of vic
Digicomm The Digital Communists	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:51:00 - [12] I would consider BoB alliance defeated when they no longer have Delve. I think the metric everyone seems to use is the space the alliance holds. So with that, when you evict BoB from Delve you have clearly won. You being... Goons RA UNL TCF IAC MC PL BRUCE MM IRON RZR PURE EVOKE KIA AAA Just a FYI, you will never defeat BoB, the cryilition will implode before that happens. Oh and didn't Mittens say BoB would be dead by January. Yes, your not killing them fast enough. sup?
Sanka Cofie Amarr Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:53:00 - [13] Victory is defined as the powerbloc which has more of its members successfully occupying this thread, telling me that i'm pretty. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Digicomm The Digital Communists	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:54:00 - [14] Edited by: Digicomm on 27/01/2008 00:55:15 Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 00:42:57 Originally by: Baline Aegis What was Molle's answer in GBBS ? (dude, you just gave me the rights to post there, and it has now disappeared. Reimburse ! ) They roughly were: A) Lose all the stations and B) BoB dissolves Stations do not claim sovereignty, POS do. When every last BoB POS is destroyed is when you have one. Stations/Outpost are just really big corp hangars. GL, you have a years worth of work to go. sup?
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Digicomm ~~Goons~~ RA UNL TCF IAC MC PL BRUCE MM IRON RZR PURE EVOKE KIA AAA There are no goons.
Digicomm The Digital Communists	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:57:00 - [16] Originally by: xRazoRx Originally by: Digicomm There are no goons. ***. sup?
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2008.01.27 00:59:00 - [17] Originally by: xRazoRx There are no goons. Wittiest. Statement. Ever.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Future Thing Originally by: xRazoRx There are no goons. Wittiest. Statement. Ever. Noone cant kill something fast enough, right?
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:07:00 - [19] I think we've all been playing Eve long enough to know when an alliance has been defeated. Ascendant Frontier, LV, D2... Those are the big ones from my recent memory. It's pretty clear at this point that those alliances have been defeated. Some burn out, some fade away. Look at -V-, man those guys have been dying for years but they aren't anymore defeated than anyone else. Others declare their loss and disband, Ascendant Frontier for instance. They were broken, they withdrew from their space, made forum posts of defeat, lost members and disappeared in a matter of days. Why would anything be any different with BoB now? Declare victory when they lose half their members in a day. The final death will come soon after. Until then talk of victory is just trash talk. But this is the place for it so carry on. /makes fart noise
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Digicomm Just a FYI, you will never defeat BoB, the cryilition will implode before that happens. Yes, your not killing them fast enough. I thought the cryolition was at a BBQ planning their retreat posts, and leaving comedy TS recordings lying around. The "CRY o lition" seems to be composed of RKK DICE EVOL... They lost ages ago, their tears will echo for a long time yet
Rhen Caldari Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:21:00 - [21] When they concede defeat? Just making conversation.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:22:00 - [22] Originally by: xRazoRx Originally by: Future Thing Originally by: xRazoRx There are no goons. Wittiest. Statement. Ever. Noone cant kill something fast enough, right? Dude, seriously? You post too much. I used to, you should take a leaf. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Adrienne Sorbonne Gallente Silent Sisters of the Bloody Rose	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:23:00 - [23] Being an casual reader of caod and having a few friend left and right of the fence there¦s one thing i could pick up which is ....bob actually wanted this ... almost all of eve against 1 entity going down in a big big blow and i¦m afraid that will be so! But how long will it take ? The forces massed against them are truely formidable so when can we expect victory? bob destroyed as an entity i doubt it ! Loosing all territory maye we will see. Bob destroyed for good never i¦m afaraid
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:26:00 - [24] OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? Another amusing fact: The 3 corporations that make up RSF have all been, at one point in time, been kicked out of the space they were living in by a coalition of people. So I guess you know the answer now!
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 01:29:33 Originally by: TWD OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? Another amusing fact: The 3 corporations that make up RSF have all been, at one point in time, been kicked out of the space they were living in by a coalition of people. So I guess you know the answer now! 1) Mittani isn't CEO, he's more a director of annoying enemies (and by the looks of this post he does his job pretty well) 2) RA wasn't kicked out of their space 3) Neither we nor TCF were kicked out of our regions 4) Calm down -clp
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Dianabolic You post too much. I used to, you should take a leaf. You still do
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:31:00 - [27] Edited by: fishblades on 27/01/2008 01:33:09 Victory is achieved when delve is ours, but we wont stop there of course. BoB will redefine the war once again and we will continue to grief them until they give up. Even if they lose delve its all part of their masterplan remember. They are now free of all their space and they can focus on killing us instead of maintaining their empire. We lose either way, you can't kill omnipotence. My favorite part about all this is BoB bragging about how many people its taking to kill them, yet they forget about all of their allies that have been defeated. Thats not a surprise to anyone though, we know how BoB treats their allies.
Shzanzia The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:32:00 - [28] #1. When you have taken all their space, and stations ... you have beaten BoB. #2. When you have taken all their moral and they disband .... you have defeated BoB. There is a world of difference. Props BOB, but hope you die..... i mean that in a good way. But lets hope for # 2 kk
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:32:00 - [29] Tommorow sunday the 27th of january the coalition will be launching a massive multi-front assault on our space. They will be bringing everything they can and a couple of kitchen sinks. It's imperative that we remain focused and do not move around solo during this time. It will take a week or two for their assault to die and in that timeframe we should be doing max damage to their capital and regular fleets. Be on your best behavious, bring your finest suit, and, lets keel ****!Make sure to have multiple ships ready to go in PR-, make sure to have plenty of ammo, make sure to have plenty of fuel, and, most of all, make sure to have lots of coffee. Was that you Dianabollox ?
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus 1) Mittani isn't CEO, he's more a director of annoying enemies (and by the looks of this post he does his job pretty well) Check http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=all - it was actually your CEO! Quote: 2) RA wasn't kicked out of their space Yes they lost their stations at one point in time and took them back at a later point. Quote: 3) Neither we nor TCF were kicked out of our regions Tribute region against D2. Quote: 4) Calm down aw thanks. you too! you don't seem to know the history in EVE very well though :\|
Hitme Harder HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Digicomm I would consider BoB alliance defeated when they no longer have Delve. I think the metric everyone seems to use is the space the alliance holds. So with that, when you evict BoB from Delve you have clearly won. You being... Goons RA UNL TCF IAC MC PL BRUCE MM IRON RZR PURE EVOKE KIA AAA Just a FYI, you will never defeat BoB, the cryilition will implode before that happens. Oh and didn't Mittens say BoB would be dead by January. Yes, your not killing them fast enough. This is the kind of **** that the drives the coalition. If it weren't for posters like you, bob would be unstoppable. Thank you kind sir, and dbp, sir molle, digitalcommunist, diaFATolic, fire 59, and the likes. Without your awesome posts, goons wouldn't have become what they are today. AREN'T THEY ADORABLE?
The Comatorium The Ghazi	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:37:00 - [32] Seems like some easy Morale Intel right there... What's the matter Goon? Afraid of not being able to Spank BoB traditionally? Remember how RA got gangbanged and stranded in their POS in this constellation of Cache. Ask ERA and VI if RA was defeated :P "It's not over until its not Over" -Yogi Bera ------------------------- Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, For you never know wich one will strike you in the back.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:38:00 - [33] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 01:38:03 @twd: You said that my glorious CEO made a statement, which isn't true. Our former CEO did. He's glorious too by the way. RA was never kicked out of c-j, and the odds were much worse than those BoB is facing today. You know, the difference between 1 and 0 is pretty important, won't you agree on this. As for tribute and D2, I admit my ignorance. -clp
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:38:00 - [34] I gotta say defeat is losing your space. Period. Rise was defeated twice. Once in Feyth and again (very soon after) in Fountain. V was defeated, LV was defeated. RA was ALMOST defeated once, but their enemies stopped short of finishing the job. So, you remove Bob from their space, they have been defeated. Doesn't mean they still aren't going to exist under that name in a different capacity, but its hardly the same and definitely isn't considered 'escaping defeat' ...why do you ask? I would think this would be common sense? Goonswarm forseeing an issue w/ removing bob from their space? Care to extend one of your oh-so-famous 'they will be dead by' dates? ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:39:00 - [35] Victory conditions will be achieved when Bob tries to break the coalition apart with weak burns and transparent propaganda from alts.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:43:00 - [36] Originally by: NO BRAKES Victory conditions will be achieved when Bob tries to break the coalition apart with weak burns and transparent propaganda from alts. Don't diss the "weak burns", so far it has been their most effective campaign. When they graduate to "strong burns" they might get around to taking a region back.
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:44:00 - [37] Edited by: fishblades on 27/01/2008 01:44:24 I gotta admit BoB is pretty optimistic considering they are about to lose everything they have worked for by an alliance they claimed would never do anything worth while. It's pretty damn funny.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 01:38:03 @twd: You said that my glorious CEO made a statement, which isn't true. Our former CEO did. He's glorious too by the way. RA was never kicked out of c-j, and the odds were much worse than those BoB is facing today. You know, the difference between 1 and 0 is pretty important, won't you agree on this. As for tribute and D2, I admit my ignorance. Errr check the article again for quotes, talking about your current CEO. Also do some research on RA further back in history. Jeez :\|
Meglomaniac Caldari Pringles Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:49:00 - [39] losing the war aka defeat for 0.0 alliances that size claiming space would be losing your claimed space and being forced back to empire. killing the alliance would be losing members and eventually corporations untill its forced to a almost or near unactive state.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:53:00 - [40] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 01:38:03 @twd: You said that my glorious CEO made a statement, which isn't true. Our former CEO did. He's glorious too by the way. RA was never kicked out of c-j, and the odds were much worse than those BoB is facing today. You know, the difference between 1 and 0 is pretty important, won't you agree on this. As for tribute and D2, I admit my ignorance. Errr check the article again for quotes, talking about your current CEO. Jeez :\| Dude I'd read an article on Wired only if my life depended on it. Maybe. You're asking a bit too much. -clp
Geressia Starship Direct	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:54:00 - [41] Bob will not be defeated until the last BoB player dies in real life, and even then some corner of their parents' basements will remain forever Delve.
Sanka Cofie Amarr Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 01:59:00 - [42] Why is nobody saying i'm pretty? ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:19:00 - [43] a defeat could be losing a battle or losing your space. For an alliance to be defeated means the alliance is dead or put in an incredibly weak and inconsequential position.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:25:00 - [44] Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/01/2008 02:25:55 There is no way to 'win' this game. And therfore, there is no way to 'lose'. All you can hope, is to be so damn good... so truely awesome.. that the rest of the game calls upon the cruel and arbitrary hand of ccp in fear and loathing. The Privateer alliance That corp called M0O or something. whos next SKUNK
Jennie Marlboro Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:27:00 - [45] Originally by: Sanka Cofie Why is nobody saying i'm pretty? Because you're not. Although you are mildly attractive when you're trolling for compliments ... .
smitor Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:36:00 - [46] The only victory condition eve knows is one side giving up and falling apart. Corps leaving the alliance, the alliance closing. Tri, RA, Goons and many other examples of the past have shown that an enemy is only defeated if the members decide to pull the plug. One of the best recent examples for coalition alliances would have been razor who came back after losing all their space or iron relocating south/dronespace.
Sanka Cofie Amarr Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Jennie Marlboro Originally by: Sanka Cofie Why is nobody saying i'm pretty? Because you're not. Although you are mildly attractive when you're trolling for compliments ... Aww thanks. I figured its a nice change from the constant BoB-Goon-BoB-Goon trolling of CAOD. Not as much fun as trying to get people to cyber w/ me in the recruitment channel though. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Red Doom Red.	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus What are the terms under which Band of Brothers will be considered defeated? I donÆt have a stake in who wins or loses (and not a great understanding of Eve mechanics for that matter) but I would think that the destruction of all POS in 0.0 space would constitute the primary loss condition for any alliance that prides itself in being 0.0 based. Sure, POS could be placed into empire space but, really, a neutral observer would have no trouble deciding who won and who lost the war, even if skirmishes continued in the shadows for years afterward. Game mechanics dictate that no corporation can ever be ædestroyedÆ if it does not want to be. Bit like Germany isnÆt it? Beaten in WWI but it came back many years later for round II. That really did not make round I any less of a defeat though.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:47:00 - [49] I will decide who wins and loses in Eve. There all settled now. The Hooch hath spoken! Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 02:49:00 - [50] Originally by: xRazoRx Originally by: Digicomm ~~Goons~~ RA UNL TCF IAC MC PL BRUCE MM IRON RZR PURE EVOKE KIA AAA There are no goons. take heed ladies and gentlemen. that is how you administer a 3rd degree burn when they think you arent doing things fast enough. quick accurate and very painful for little digi and his buddies.
exxorr Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:01:00 - [51] Edited by: exxorr on 27/01/2008 03:02:16 Originally by: fishblades Edited by: fishblades on 27/01/2008 01:44:24 I gotta admit BoB is pretty optimistic considering they are about to lose everything they have worked for by an alliance they claimed would never do anything worth while. It's pretty damn funny. Didn't you read the list of allainces vs BoB??? Goons never have done anything worthwhile. They will continues to be worthless. Just as every single allaince in that list is worthless and has never achieved anything worthwhile. BTW why does that piece of ***** Ernesto Hooch get to post here without his tags turned on. Or is that only a rule for most people???
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:01:00 - [52] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 03:02:52 Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Edited by: Jordan Musgrat on 27/01/2008 00:17:31 um no. edit: I'll be constructive too, how about you keep shooting at BoB, and when you start to win some decisive victories, you can start claiming you're making progress. Key word there is win. You have gotten a little stalled GS, going to have to try harder than this. Sure, the train may not have brakes, but I think it just ran into a mountain. Stupid goonies, you haven't achieved anything substantial yet! mines veldspar, sells discounted megathrons on querious market
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:11:00 - [53] On the other hand, perhaps Jordan is simply pointing out that his alliance was so pathetic that defeating them was as much a victory as walking your dog.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:14:00 - [54] Originally by: exxorr BTW why does that piece of ***** Ernesto Hooch get to post here without his tags turned on. Or is that only a rule for most people??? Sorry BOB alt, I'll need to pay 1mil for a corp like you did to post with your alt. btw, personal attacks are not welcome. I guess the truth hurts
Robert0288 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:28:00 - [55] Originally by: smitor iron relocating south/dronespace. It was all planed in the Beer bash of '02 lol
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Digicomm GL, you have a years worth of work to go. That was what they said about ASCNs POS network, it'd take years to tear through them all. You see, Bob is a lot like ASCN.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 03:57:00 - [57] moving the goalposts itt
gwaah	Posted - 2008.01.27 04:06:00 - [58] twd is *** quote if down
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2008.01.27 04:08:00 - [59] Originally by: gwaah twd is * quote if down *, i tell you
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2008.01.27 04:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost You realise Goons have achieved the same as BOB hahahaha, that's pretty funny. Anyways, BoB lost the war a long time ago, now we just have to see if they lose their space. ------- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Exortius Amarrus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 04:20:00 - [61] You will never win, what's the point of this thread?
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 05:00:00 - [62] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 05:03:00 Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? I see that your three months of experience in BoB has given you a taste of the mettle and resolve that BoB pilots have displayed throughout this war. Why, you must remember as far back as.. the Catch campaign.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 05:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? Much like Fix will never die?
Pradege D'Hallur Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.27 05:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Digicomm I would consider BoB alliance defeated when they no longer have Delve. I think the metric everyone seems to use is the space the alliance holds. So with that, when you evict BoB from Delve you have clearly won. You being... Goons RA UNL TCF IAC MC PL BRUCE MM IRON RZR PURE EVOKE KIA AAA Just a FYI, you will never defeat BoB, the cryilition will implode before that happens. Oh and didn't Mittens say BoB would be dead by January. Yes, your not killing them fast enough. No.............we are no where near delve..........be happy for that...
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.01.27 06:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 27/01/2008 03:16:21 Originally by: exxorr BTW why does that piece of ***** Ernesto Hooch get to post here without his tags turned on. Or is that only a rule for most people??? Sorry BOB alt, I'll need to pay 1mil for a corp like you did to post with your alt. btw, personal attacks are not welcome. I guess the truth hurts You realise Goons have achieved the same as BOB, they are now top alliance with bragging rights? Oh..and your breath smells funny What's happening with the BloBbit alts is that they're realizing that they're getting curbstomped by people who in their mind, suck, are horrible, and have never done anything. Also, who don't exist. BoB getting killed by non-existant people who suck. That must be extremely bad for one's ego. Might make you lash out and act stupid or make sockpuppets to post with. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Re Mi Caldari Funshine Unlimited	Posted - 2008.01.27 06:55:00 - [66] If GS wishes to defeat BoB you must do the one thing that will kill a pvper, make peace. Funshine Unlimited - An Industrial Services Corporation
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:06:00 - [67] In all propagandistic fairness (I call dibs on this term) BoB should publicly or privately concede defeat at the point which they used to claim victory in their previous campaigns. That shouldn't be hard to find out in these forums. Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:34:00 - [68] Originally by: TWD OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? So, what you're saying now is that the greatest PVPers in eve history were Fountain Alliance. They held against BoB under impossible odds for ages (in Fountain) until finally merging into R I S E.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:55:00 - [69] They have been truly destroyed when no one posts on their KB anymore...they have been defeated when they lose their space... RedSwarm can defeat them but not destroy them, thats up to the members... -MDK Info-
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:56:00 - [70] i defeated bob in 2001 actually while at this gyro place in baltimore the gyros were pretty good anyway this is all going according to my gyro eating plan, you are at the mercy of ~Da PuPpEtMaStA~~~~~~~~~~ so this thread is moot
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 07:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? hey you were in fix until very recently so i guess you know a lot about alliances which will 'never be defeated'
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:02:00 - [72] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 08:02:31 Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You will never win, what's the point of this thread? hey you were in fix until very recently so i guess you know a lot about alliances which will 'never be defeated' This is my thread, Mittens. Back off. We all know what the consequences will be if you fail to follow my instructions. (da bytez)
Emrod Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:29:00 - [73] k this war is over. happy now? COAD is for morons.......hey...wait a minute 0o !!!
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:40:00 - [74] We already won.: BOB is trying to convince themselves that this is what they want, but we know it isn't, because no one loves lagging fleet fights that rest on CCP's hamsters rather than pilot and fc skills. No one likes to be ordered not to go roaming all over Eve because you are permanently needed at home for defense ops. If BOB pilots believe that we will soon retreat, they don't know RSF at all. BOB mid 2007 is not the BOB of mid 2006. The real BOB likes to be in control and on the offensive. To be a bully, dictate other people's standings list, other people's territory use and destroy alliances that would not listen to "reason". Something they haven't been able to do for a very long time. The coalition are dictating where they should form up their fleets now, and it's only going to get worst starting Sunday. It's as if we controlled their game really vOv. BOB was also about keeping a certain personnel k/b ratio and having a stringent recruitment policy. Yet now, they'll take anyone who plays actively in the EU and US timezones because they need numbers. People who were previously turned down are now commonly accepted. This of course translates into less skilled pilots, and instead of all t2 ships and battleships, their fleets now consist of a mix of t1 and t2. Caracals, Drakes and Hurricanes are becoming more common on their loss pages. In my opinion, they lost their aura if awesomeness and have become just another big bloated alliance whose sudden high participation comes solely from fresh recruits supported by the reserves of wealth accumulated while they had it good for a long time. We don't see the old BOB names in battle any more, a lot of them aren't even in BOB any longer either. They wanted more fun and joined ganking entities who don't bother with POS wars in order to play eve they want it, not the way Molle forces them.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Shinori We already won.: BOB is trying to convince themselves that this is what they want, but we know it isn't, because no one loves lagging fleet fights that rest on CCP's hamsters rather than pilot and fc skills. No one likes to be ordered not to go roaming all over Eve because you are permanently needed at home for defense ops. If BOB pilots believe that we will soon retreat, they don't know RSF at all. BOB mid 2007 is not the BOB of mid 2006. The real BOB likes to be in control and on the offensive. To be a bully, dictate other people's standings list, other people's territory use and destroy alliances that would not listen to "reason". Something they haven't been able to do for a very long time. The coalition are dictating where they should form up their fleets now, and it's only going to get worst starting Sunday. It's as if we controlled their game really vOv. BOB was also about keeping a certain personnel k/b ratio and having a stringent recruitment policy. Yet now, they'll take anyone who plays actively in the EU and US timezones because they need numbers. People who were previously turned down are now commonly accepted. This of course translates into less skilled pilots, and instead of all t2 ships and battleships, their fleets now consist of a mix of t1 and t2. Caracals, Drakes and Hurricanes are becoming more common on their loss pages. In my opinion, they lost their aura if awesomeness and have become just another big bloated alliance whose sudden high participation comes solely from fresh recruits supported by the reserves of wealth accumulated while they had it good for a long time. We don't see the old BOB names in battle any more, a lot of them aren't even in BOB any longer either. They wanted more fun and joined ganking entities who don't bother with POS wars in order to play eve they want it, not the way Molle forces them. how do I import my gf.com ignore list to eve-o?
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 08:47:00 - [76] Originally by: CobraBytez how do I import my gf.com ignore list to eve-o? Goebel Fixtures Company doesn't have the ignore feature on their portfolio browser.
Arlenna Molatov Caldari The 59th Parallel	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:08:00 - [77] Ahh, i see nothing but goonmorons posting again, must be e-peen-jaculation time again. I think the mods reading this forum need to lock it as it's become nothing but trolling.
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:11:00 - [78] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Ahh, i see nothing but goonmorons posting again, must be e-peen-jaculation time again. I think the mods reading this forum need to lock it as it's become nothing but trolling. I see 54 none-Goon postings, perhaps it is you who is the moron and troll?
Phonix Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:13:00 - [79] When you end up like IRON, I would call that defeated CEO of Fate
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:21:00 - [80] Since the lot of your are in the south, I take it you are going to lay seige to bob. I assume you will be using dreads, though personally, I dont like the revelation as it carries less seige cycles than any other dread for some reason I dont understand. But how long do you reckon it will be before band of bothers is sent to jita or Amarr space? Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Phonix When you end up like IRON, I would call that defeated The BOB pilots dying to Iron roaming gangs in Delve cry otherwise.
Phenia 0-0 Space Squad Culture Shock Initiative	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:24:00 - [82] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 27/01/2008 01:38:03 @twd: You said that my glorious CEO made a statement, which isn't true. Our former CEO did. He's glorious too by the way. RA was never kicked out of c-j, and the odds were much worse than those BoB is facing today. You know, the difference between 1 and 0 is pretty important, won't you agree on this. As for tribute and D2, I admit my ignorance. Correct a major historical innacuracy here: RA -WAS- kicked out of C-J. They -WERE- down to 0 stations for a few days after Cache fell. AND THEN they counterspammed C-J and retook it more or less overnight (30 deathstars deployed by cargo-exploit carriers ftw.) The grind to RE-TAKE C-J, and in particular to deal with 10min module lag on a Dreadnaught with 1/6 of current dreads hitpoints, being hit by 100 t2 sniper bs at 240km was where RA won. -------------------------- Troll? Me?
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Jonny JoJo But how long do you reckon it will be before band of bothers is sent to jita or Amarr space? We have a very strict timetable at the end of which we consider ourselves defeated. No seriously we do and it is
amagonsan Minmatar Perpetual Reality Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:27:00 - [84] "If you injure someone only lightly they can still take revenge, if you crush them they can not revenge" - Machiavelli Driving BoB out of delve is only a light injury, and will insure that bob will come back in force sometime in the future to take revenge. Crushing BoB by killing their super-capitals, taking their space, and having them disband is the only way to insure victory, untill you accomplish that, BoB is not defeated.
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Phenia RA -WAS- kicked out of C-J. They -WERE- down to 0 stations for a few days after Cache fell. So you think that losing one's station even temporarily is enough to be considered defeated? Then you whine about unable to outsmart an handful of RA with a coalition the size of 1/4 of Eve.
d4ve InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:29:00 - [86] Originally by: Phonix When you end up like IRON, I would call that defeated 'sup Phonix, how's life in Fate.? ___
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:32:00 - [87] Originally by: amagonsan Crushing BoB by killing their super-capitals, taking their space, and having them disband is the only way to insure victory, untill you accomplish that, BoB is not defeated. What you're saying is if someone retreats constantly and does not put their capital ships on the online, they are never defeated. How terribly dumb of you.
Dansker Taumatu	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:44:00 - [88] Thats easy. An alliance is defeated when XirtamVOTF joins its ranks. Don't shoot!
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:46:00 - [89] Originally by: CobraBytez Originally by: TWD OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? So, what you're saying now is that the greatest PVPers in eve history were Fountain Alliance. They held against BoB under impossible odds for ages (in Fountain) until finally merging into R I S E. Not my words! ON TOPIC: I don't think the coalition has what it takes, I think they need more numbers.
Iron Zarkasm Gallente Zarkastic Disease	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:46:00 - [90] Victory is a soft thing with many faces: from surrender, conditionally or unconditionally, Disbanding of Brothers and alliance closure, loosing all/main part of territorial sovereignity or pushback to empire/jove/<enter constellation>, logistical or financial ruin or failing of predifined goals of BoB may seal their destiny enough to speak about victory. The only condition unreachable in Eve is total destruction (death) of all their members. So there will be no total victory. Imo, SoCo make them surrender, loose all their space, with no 0.0 left for couple of weeks, or let them have some systems and pay huge tributes are the only realistic conditions to talk about a glorious victory. And it'll be a daunting task in the end, as only americans in iraq may talk about victory with a guerrilla in their backs.
Alice Cholmondeley I Am Legend	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Shinori Originally by: amagonsan Crushing BoB by killing their super-capitals, taking their space, and having them disband is the only way to insure victory, untill you accomplish that, BoB is not defeated. What you're saying is if someone retreats constantly and does not put their capital ships on the online, they are never defeated. How terribly dumb of you. I like your posting, please continue with my blessing.
Jadzia Blue Department of Truth Enhancement	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:56:00 - [92] Originally by: exxorr Didn't you read the list of allainces vs BoB??? Goons never have done anything worthwhile. They will continues to be worthless. Just as every single allaince in that list is worthless and has never achieved anything worthwhile. That's because the RSF curbstomped the rest of the GBC. The war was over, and BoB lost, when "There are no goons." was posted on this forum. You're supposed to win first THEN write history. BoB, not once, stood on it's own this entire conflict. Someone was always around willing to play*****recepticle for them.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:03:00 - [93] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 10:04:44 Originally by: TWD Originally by: CobraBytez Originally by: TWD OH HEY didn't your glorious CEO state that the way to win in EVE is to make your opponents quit playing and not come back? So, what you're saying now is that the greatest PVPers in eve history were Fountain Alliance. They held against BoB under impossible odds for ages (in Fountain) until finally merging into R I S E. Not my words! You are deliberately misunderstanding his meaning. Your interpretation: "Winning means your enemy gives up." The real meaning: "You win by making your enemy give up." The subtle difference is that the first is a definition, and the second is a method of obtaining a goal (victory). Hence why the RSF won in Omist, Feyth, Catch, Paragon Soul, and Esoteria. Because you gave up. Quote: ON TOPIC: I don't think the coalition has what it takes, I think they need more numbers. I hear BoB used to have numbers. You know, back when they had allies.
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:10:00 - [94] Originally by: exxorr Didn't you read the list of allainces vs BoB??? Well maybe they would have more help if they helped all of their allies. I love how people forget how big bob used to be. All of their friends are gone or dead. Originally by: exxorr Goons never have done anything worthwhile. They will continues to be worthless. Just as every single allaince in that list is worthless and has never achieved anything worthwhile. Except killing bob and taking all their space, only a matter of time now.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:15:00 - [95] We lost so many allies that our fleet numbers have actually increased since a year ago. huh what? Originally by: wired article, sesfan says Houston. "The way that you win in EVE is you basically make life so miserable for someone else that they actually quit the game and don't come back." CobrabyteZZ, your argument doesn't make much sense!
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:29:00 - [96] Originally by: TWD Quote: 3) Neither we nor TCF were kicked out of our regions Tribute region against D2. Tribute was, and still is, a Morsus Mihi region, and I don't think 6 weeks of contested possession qualify for it being called a "TCF region". Anyway, back on topic. Bob is still alive, and may never die, but Bob's empire has been destroyed. You have only one region left, the income from your renters is largely gone, your allies has been reduced to the point of insignifiance in this conflict, and you'll have a hard time making others, considering the fate of the previous ones and your bunker strategy, hanging them out to dry. You're not really a danger to the RSF anymore. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:31:00 - [97] Originally by: TWD We lost so many allies that our fleet numbers have actually increased since a year ago. huh what? on the other hand, you have scraped the bottom of the barrel so thoroughly that you now share an alliance with veterans of such elite PVP organizations as RISE and CORM. Congratulations, I guess. Quote: Originally by: wired article, sesfan says Houston. "The way that you win in EVE is you basically make life so miserable for someone else that they actually quit the game and don't come back." CobrabyteZZ, your argument doesn't make much sense! Actually the direct quote supports exactly what I'm saying. Is English your first language?
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:32:00 - [98] Edited by: TWD on 27/01/2008 10:32:42 I have sympathy for your situation, Shadowsword. You moved into Venal and Tribute, took 1 or more stations and then left it because you didn't want it anyway. I can understand that. For the empire! Edit: thanks for the congratulations c0braBiTeZZ
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:36:00 - [99] Originally by: TWD c0braBiTeZZ how dare you sink so low as to make fun of my name!?!?!?
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:36:00 - [100] Originally by: CobraBytez Originally by: TWD c0braBiTeZZ how dare you sink so low as to make fun of my name!?!?!? i will never forgive you for this transgression, TWD.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:37:00 - [101] Originally by: CobraBytez Originally by: CobraBytez Originally by: TWD c0braBiTeZZ how dare you sink so low as to make fun of my name!?!?!? i will never forgive you for this transgression, TWD. my outrage is so great it could not be contained in just two posts
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:44:00 - [102] Shinori and Cobra are legends of our time. I hope Mittani recognises their sheer brilliance and promotes them to the Directorship as soon as possible. The amount of compensation they can acheive on COAD to balance their in-game activities leaves me in awe. I bow to them.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:45:00 - [103] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 10:45:02 Originally by: Melpheus Rax Shinori and Cobra are legends of our time. I hope Mittani recognises their sheer brilliance and promotes them to the Directorship as soon as possible. The amount of compensation they can acheive on COAD to balance their in-game activities leaves me in awe. I bow to them. i'm already a director edit: i fly a titan
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:46:00 - [104] Does Cobra have any alts: http://www.killboard.net/player/CobraBytez/ If I got blown up by BoB that much I'd also spend alot of time on CAOD where I can let my true prowess reign supreme. You sir are the light.
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:49:00 - [105] Originally by: CobraBytez Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 10:45:02 Originally by: Melpheus Rax Shinori and Cobra are legends of our time. I hope Mittani recognises their sheer brilliance and promotes them to the Directorship as soon as possible. The amount of compensation they can acheive on COAD to balance their in-game activities leaves me in awe. I bow to them. i'm already a director edit: i fly a titan The speed at which at which you can hit refresh has sent the R&D department art Microsoft into a frenzy. Cobra for president of the USA. Seriously, what an American. True blue.
Tabouli GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:49:00 - [106] Originally by: Melpheus Rax Does Cobra have any alts: http://www.killboard.net/player/CobraBytez/ If I got blown up by BoB that much I'd also spend alot of time on CAOD where I can let my true prowess reign supreme. You sir are the light. your alliance is a joke
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:49:00 - [107] Originally by: Melpheus Rax Does Cobra have any alts: http://www.killboard.net/player/CobraBytez/ If I got blown up by BoB that much I'd also spend alot of time on CAOD where I can let my true prowess reign supreme. You sir are the light. or maybe i bought cobrabytez from another goon and I primarily fly capital ships HMMMMM
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:50:00 - [108] http://www.killboard.net/player/Shinori/ With a K/D average like that I'm sure you get all the chicks. What a magnet.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:50:00 - [109] Trying to define the way out of the war already? No surprise from really from the goons. It must be tough knowing that whatever happens you will fail to break BoB. Even if (and that's still a big if I'm afraid regardless of your renewed enthusiasm now that RA and MC are here to try and finish the job that you can't do) RA, MC etc strip our stations from delve, I'm afraid that you'll find BoB a far more interesting alliance than the rest of the so called superpowers who fold and run. We'll either retake delve or we'll go roam and take somewhere else, it doesn't really matter. The whole of eve can't stop us so you better get ready to make sure your blue list stays blue for a lot longer yet. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:52:00 - [110] Originally by: Tabouli Originally by: Melpheus Rax Does Cobra have any alts: http://www.killboard.net/player/CobraBytez/ If I got blown up by BoB that much I'd also spend alot of time on CAOD where I can let my true prowess reign supreme. You sir are the light. your alliance is a joke I'm not in an alliance but hello there, thanks for stepping up! http://www.killboard.net/player/Tabouli Who's the joke? Certainly not you, you man-o-war, you Napoleon of our time.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:53:00 - [111] Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 10:54:48 Edited by: CobraBytez on 27/01/2008 10:53:35 ^^^dude you realize that there are more alliances than bob to kill right. check out my k/d http://killboard.goonfleet.com/player/CobraBytez it's sweet (** solo he deleted all my killmails) Originally by:** DB Preacher we'll go roam and take somewhere else looooooool
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:59:00 - [112] You are awesome. 10 kills? Do you provide PVP classes? Why does the BoB show more losses than your own board? Damn those BoB hax0rs for poasting fake killmails to bolster their numbers.
Galgarak Gallente Malus Spiritus	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:59:00 - [113] You must know by now that an alliance does not get destroyed but destroy's itself, and at the moment all you are doing is giving the band of brothers and its distinguished allies pvp all day long which is what they play for You have also napped 70% of 0.0 alliances which will blow up in your face eventually, the question is can you complete the campaign before that happens, from looking at the past month i very much doubt it. But hey lets say you displace band of brothers from their home, while you are fighting over scraps they become a roaming alliance looking for a new home, with no POS obligations. that is the most dangerous thing you can do to this alliance Quote: If goons are giving you "respect" on CAOD, you pretty much know what you just did was a pile of ****.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:06:00 - [114] Originally by: Melpheus Rax You are awesome. 10 kills? Do you provide PVP classes? Why does the BoB show more losses than your own board? Damn those BoB hax0rs for poasting fake killmails to bolster their numbers. it's not my fault sesfan doesn't let me take out the avatar for a spin more often :(
Melpheus Rax ElArms International	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:13:00 - [115] Remedial told me of your Avatar aspirations and we joked about it quite often considering you have BS 4 and Clue 1. He said that he felt sorry for you and let you touch his Titan to keep you happy as he saw such fortitude on your online gaming forum activities.
CobraBytez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:15:00 - [116] Originally by: Melpheus Rax Remedial told me of your Avatar aspirations and we joked about it quite often considering you have BS 4 and Clue 1. He said that he felt sorry for you and let you touch his Titan to keep you happy as he saw such fortitude on your online gaming forum activities. You'd have to pay me to touch Missy.
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:19:00 - [117] Edited by: Centauris on 27/01/2008 11:21:13 I think it will be like in the Lion King 2: Simbas pride. You know where simbas pride fights scars old outlawed pride. They are so thirsty for blood yet when they come to fight at the end they look at each other and they are exactly the same, one group is just ugly, skinny, malnourised and evil where the other one is well you know, not like bob. We all join hands and "nice fights all round" except for molle whom cant grasp it and goes bonker and then the daughter of of Simba (nala) jump in front of siara and stops her (molle) from clawing Simbas (90% of eve) face off. Siara gets pushed into a soon to be flooded river and Nala goes to help her up but she swipes her away saying like "** off i dont need your help, we aint dieing, this was all part of the plan" and then gets washed away and everyone lives happily ever after. tl;dr. Molle gone (washed away flodding river, loses another titan etc)=win. /me goes to watch the Lion King. PS: Dont lie to yourselves and everyone else and say youve never watched Disney Cartoons, thats like saying youve never taken illegal drugs in a * bar and ended up running down oxford street with your shirt over your head in sydney. DUH! Thundercats 4 Life
Xeseldddim Amarr Eve Corporation 16293456	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:21:00 - [118] Edited by: Xeseldddim on 27/01/2008 11:21:35 BoB are defeated in this war when they have to abandon Delve. BoB are dead as an alliance when they desist to matter in EvE. Amusing point, when goons feel like it they call RISE CORM and a host of others bobs allies. There was a time that they were bob pets/renters who couldn't hold space for themselves thus forfeiting any allied claims. After all you don't pay some one to be your friend.
pershphanie Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:21:00 - [119] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Fighting a territorial war, you lose when you lose all your territory. You're assuming this is a territorial war. This may be a gross underestimation of bob. I'd say a victory for RSF/NC would be for bob to lose delve along with rendering bob ineffective at killing off your coalition. If bob is to the point where they can neither hold space nor effectively destroy hostile alliances, that and only that is a victory. If bob decides to just take down their pos's and start invading enemy territory while I'm sure some would call that a victory, that doesn't make it true.
Tabouli GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:39:00 - [120] Originally by: DB Preacher Trying to define the way out of the war already? No surprise from really from the goons. It must be tough knowing that whatever happens you will fail to break BoB. Even if (and that's still a big if I'm afraid regardless of your renewed enthusiasm now that RA and MC are here to try and finish the job that you can't do) RA, MC etc strip our stations from delve, I'm afraid that you'll find BoB a far more interesting alliance than the rest of the so called superpowers who fold and run. We'll either retake delve or we'll go roam and take somewhere else, it doesn't really matter. The whole of eve can't stop us so you better get ready to make sure your blue list stays blue for a lot longer yet. dbp I thought camping the most hated alliance in eve into their home NPC stations constituted a total victory turns out I was wrong !
Saffronique Blue Sky Inc	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:56:00 - [121] Edited by: Saffronique on 27/01/2008 11:58:28 Originally by: Gneeznow when coranor 1v1's me in a rupture, that will be the most crushing defeat This! Cmon coranor.. no honour tbhqftbbq I sniped page 5 like Gneeze will snipe your honour Cor!
Chronojam Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:57:00 - [122] Originally by: DB Preacher Trying to define the way out of the war already? No surprise from really from the goons. It must be tough knowing that whatever happens you will fail to break BoB. Even if (and that's still a big if I'm afraid regardless of your renewed enthusiasm now that RA and MC are here to try and finish the job that you can't do) RA, MC etc strip our stations from delve, I'm afraid that you'll find BoB a far more interesting alliance than the rest of the so called superpowers who fold and run. We'll either retake delve or we'll go roam and take somewhere else, it doesn't really matter. The whole of eve can't stop us so you better get ready to make sure your blue list stays blue for a lot longer yet. dbp Serious question: why did MC turn against you anyways? You were calling the shots so damn well, what could make them possibly question your omniscience? I must apologize for everybody who has been folding up their personal business and running to your doorstep though, that's got to be quite annoying, as you seem to think. Anyway, we're not concerned about whether or not we're "winning" at this point; it's obvious we are, just look at the map. We've already broken BoB's legs, we were just hoping you could use your unique experience to just let us know when we should start the party. cj
JoeyDee Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:21:00 - [123] From this day to the ending of the eve servers, But we in it shall be remember'd; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in Eve now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Goontards day.. Joey
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:31:00 - [124] Originally by: DB Preacher Trying to define the way out of the war already? No surprise from really from the goons. It must be tough knowing that whatever happens you will fail to break BoB. Even if (and that's still a big if I'm afraid regardless of your renewed enthusiasm now that RA and MC are here to try and finish the job that you can't do) RA, MC etc strip our stations from delve, I'm afraid that you'll find BoB a far more interesting alliance than the rest of the so called superpowers who fold and run. We'll either retake delve or we'll go roam and take somewhere else, it doesn't really matter. The whole of eve can't stop us so you better get ready to make sure your blue list stays blue for a lot longer yet. dbp It's good that even after having recruited what must be half your current memberbase from those so called superpowers, then Bobs resolve is still strong as ever! I mean, it's not like your stout, new recruits like those from LV, fix, huns, rise, dfc and random ****house low-sec pirate corps will suddenly go off for some small gang pvp NPC 0.0 like syndicate and venal, but rather slug it out with POS wars in Delve! After all, every PVP'er dreams of slugging it out against hundreds of newbies in 3m isk blackbirds and caracals.
Marvin Roberts Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:44:00 - [125] Edited by: Marvin Roberts on 27/01/2008 12:44:37 Originally by: Tabouli I thought camping the most hated alliance in eve into their home NPC stations constituted a total victory turns out I was wrong ! You have to destroy their INDUSTRIAL BACKBONE too.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:50:00 - [126] Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/01/2008 12:50:16 Originally by: Chronojam Serious question: why did MC turn against you anyways? After a long, hard drive up north in charge of alot of other alliances, their leadership didn't have the stamina to go through another long, hard drive against the rest of eve and so they took the easy route out in order to try and save their own necks and space when the axe fell. By the MC leadership's own admission, they fell for the spin that the coalition would save them when the time came. So now they are buying time, hoping that sov 4 will hold off the hoards when they are looking for new targets. Unfortunately, they massively underestimated BoB's stamina and desire. Originally by: Anahid Brutus It's good that even after having recruited what must be half your current memberbase from those so called superpowers, then Bobs resolve is still strong as ever! I mean, it's not like your stout, new recruits like those from LV, fix, huns, rise, dfc and random ***house low-sec pirate corps will suddenly go off for some small gang pvp NPC 0.0 like syndicate and venal, but rather slug it out with POS wars in Delve! After all, every PVP'er dreams of slugging it out against hundreds of newbies in 3m isk blackbirds and caracals. This is exactly what I am saying to you that your biggest issue is listening to the rhetorical rubbish Mittani spews down onto your forums. Him telling you that BoB is simply another* alliance who will fold with the slightest pressure is massively underestimating what BoB is. From our first inception, BoB has been setup as a pvp alliance. From top to bottom, from those working their ass off on the pos to the leaders in their titans, BoB has been forged to fight. There is no duality in the construction of BoB and everyone in BoB knows that it will take stamina and dedication to remain the number one pvp outfit in the game. However, what separates BoB from 99% of the other alliances in the game is not what defines us but the very fact that whatever happens, whatever outcome, we know that we have the support of our brother next to us on the battlefield. That's what BoB is. Members leave, members join but don't for a second believe that when it comes down to the fight that everyone available won't be there bleeding for the person next to him. That's why succeed, that's why fight, that's why your paper thin coalition won't achieve anything other than forging us to be even better. We are simply better than you. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Saffronique Blue Sky Inc	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:00:00 - [127] Edited by: Saffronique on 27/01/2008 13:00:53 Originally by: DB Preacher blah blah Your back DB.. did they build you a new mothership then? Watch out for those "logonskiing" ruskies this time mmkay? Even in defeat you have no honour.
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:10:00 - [128] Well Goons have always said they will keep hunting bob till they disband/leave the game etc so surely we should be counting the war a success and victory for them by their own objectives that they set out to meet. Every alliance ive seen collapse in eve (even those that i have been in) caved in because of the member base not being bothered anymore or trying to screw each other over and thus breaking the point of an alliance. I really cant see either of those happening to BOB because as far as resources go theyve got plenty to keep fighting, there not by anymeans outa isk and while their in ships they can hunt. Plus alot of BOB are oldschool eve players and thus have a heck of alot of alts to make isk on that arnt even in BOB. They really couldnt give 2 willies about the space as long as they have a base and ships to fight in. Although assuming that you do kick them outa Delve (and thats a big assumption) what will happen to the coaliton? I cant imagine you'l remain faithful to each other since goons arnt exactly well known for not exploiting a situation. So then the coaliton starts shooting each other and BOB can simply retake the space. Coaliton's dont last as long as alliances.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:16:00 - [129] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/01/2008 12:50:16 Originally by: Chronojam Serious question: why did MC turn against you anyways? After a long, hard drive up north in charge of alot of other alliances, their leadership didn't have the stamina to go through another long, hard drive against the rest of eve and so they took the easy route out in order to try and save their own necks and space when the axe fell. By the MC leadership's own admission, they fell for the spin that the coalition would save them when the time came. So now they are buying time, hoping that sov 4 will hold off the hoards when they are looking for new targets. Unfortunately, they massively underestimated BoB's stamina and desire. Bob stamina? withdraws from 4 regions because POS wars are hard* ;_;* Oh, that bob stamina. Maybe MC had seen first hand with D2 where the road leads for alliances that just gives up and didn't want to be a part of it? Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Anahid Brutus It's good that even after having recruited what must be half your current memberbase from those so called superpowers, then Bobs resolve is still strong as ever! I mean, it's not like your stout, new recruits like those from LV, fix, huns, rise, dfc and random ***house low-sec pirate corps will suddenly go off for some small gang pvp NPC 0.0 like syndicate and venal, but rather slug it out with POS wars in Delve! After all, every PVP'er dreams of slugging it out against hundreds of newbies in 3m isk blackbirds and caracals. This is exactly what I am saying to you that your biggest issue is listening to the rhetorical rubbish Mittani spews down onto your forums. Him telling you that BoB is simply another* alliance who will fold with the slightest pressure is massively underestimating what BoB is. Hm, I think you need to read gf.com a bit more closely, we don't kill alliances in swift, massive battles. We grind them down, week after week, month after month. We don't expect you to fold. In fact, we hope you'll last more than long enough for us to see your entire Coalition slowly crumble into nothing like your obedient "pets" in rise, corm, exe, tsc, lv, axe, fix and iss have already done. Originally by: DB Preacher From our first inception, BoB has been setup as a pvp alliance. From top to bottom, from those working their ass off on the pos to the leaders in their titans, BoB has been forged to fight. There is no duality in the construction of BoB and everyone in BoB knows that it will take stamina and dedication to remain the number one pvp outfit in the game. Even with all this stamina and dedication most of the bob members running around pr- are of the "member of rkk/bnc/dice for 1-2 months" kind. Don't kid yourself. Originally by: DB Preacher However, what separates BoB from 99% of the other alliances in the game is not what defines us but the very fact that whatever happens, whatever outcome, we know that we have the support of our brother next to us on the battlefield. That's what BoB is. Members leave, members join but don't for a second believe that when it comes down to the fight that everyone available won't be there bleeding for the person next to him. If only your brotherhood would have equalled fleet participation in tenerifis, catch, omist and feyth then we wouldn't have had to spend so much time on shooting/stealing towers :< But i'm sure delve will be different!
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:16:00 - [130] The coalition are just looking for the earliest way out of this war where they can save face and claim victory. Which is fair enough, but looking to BoB to help them out in this respect seems just a little naive. I miss the goon threads of old, when they had high morale, they were so much more fun.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:23:00 - [131] Originally by: Anahid Brutus Hm, I think you need to read gf.com a bit more closely, we don't kill alliances in swift, massive battles. We grind them down, week after week, month after month. We don't expect you to fold. In fact, we hope you'll last more than long enough for us to see your entire Coalition slowly crumble into nothing like your obedient "pets" in rise, corm, exe, tsc, lv, axe, fix and iss have already done. No you don't. You nap everyone around and then get them to do all the work while you sit back and spill onto the forums about how glorious you are. The very fact that you haven't achieved a single thing in delve yet and are now starting to spout off only after RA and MC have put up is quite understandable. Originally by: Anahid Brutus If only your brotherhood would have equalled fleet participation in tenerifis, catch, omist and feyth then we wouldn't have had to spend so much time on shooting/stealing towers :< But i'm sure delve will be different! Hmm, interesting, didn't you do EXACTLY the same thing as we rolled over your lower territories? Ah yes, you did. Perhaps you should spend more time listening to the groaning and creaking sounds coming from the 150 pos you have in place before being too sure that the same thing won't happen to you when the first piece of pressure is applied. I'll place my bets that you simply crumble and fold all the way back to behind RA space when your leadership declares it's false victory. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:30:00 - [132] Promises kept > Promises made You have not removed goons from 0.0 You do not control all of 0.0 space We have pushed you into your final region We have dismantled displaced or destroyed your allies We have not wavered in what we want to do We have not redefined our victory conditions We have brought it Spin whatever you like, goons are in Delve.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:31:00 - [133] Originally by: TWD Another amusing fact: The 3 corporations that make up RSF have all been, at one point in time, been kicked out of the space they were living in by a coalition of people. You had the GBC, you didn't want it anyway. 2isk
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:33:00 - [134] Originally by: NO BRAKES Promises kept > Promises made You have not removed goons from 0.0 You do not control all of 0.0 space We have pushed you into your final region We have dismantled displaced or destroyed your allies We have not wavered in what we want to do We have not redefined our victory conditions We have brought it Spin whatever you like, goons are in Delve. All true, so why are you so concerned about asking BoB for victory conditions?
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:37:00 - [135] Originally by: Future Thing All true, so why are you so concerned about asking BoB for victory conditions? I think thats just a rhetorical question. We already know what sort of victory conditions we would be happy with.
Salastil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:40:00 - [136] I am DBPreacher I am make talk talk with my mouth nonsense.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:41:00 - [137] I'd say that victory comes when one side can politely acknowledge the other's victory, and the victor can politely acknowledge the other's defeat. Therefore, there will be no victory for anyone in EVE, ever. ----- "I am prepared to meet my maker; whether my maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
Salastil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:42:00 - [138] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I'd say that victory comes when one side can politely acknowledge the other's victory, and the victor can politely acknowledge the other's defeat. Therefore, there will be no victory for anyone in EVE, ever. I won the game years ago, this is the epilogue.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:46:00 - [139] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Anahid Brutus Hm, I think you need to read gf.com a bit more closely, we don't kill alliances in swift, massive battles. We grind them down, week after week, month after month. We don't expect you to fold. In fact, we hope you'll last more than long enough for us to see your entire Coalition slowly crumble into nothing like your obedient "pets" in rise, corm, exe, tsc, lv, axe, fix and iss have already done. No you don't. You nap everyone around and then get them to do all the work while you sit back and spill onto the forums about how glorious you are. The very fact that you haven't achieved a single thing in delve yet and are now starting to spout off only after RA and MC have put up is quite understandable. It's funny to read things like this, again. It reminds me when we put up a tower in RISE space a couple months ago and sent some small gangs into RIT. We killed some capitals, some ratters and some pvp gangs of theirs, but it wasn't an invasion. RISE didn't understand this so when we went on to focusing on retaking Omist they posted a thread on the forums on how they had halted our invasion and that we had achieved nothing, i think they did some k:d ratio posturing too. When we finally did invade they lasted less than a week. Hopefully you'll last longer. Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Anahid Brutus If only your brotherhood would have equalled fleet participation in tenerifis, catch, omist and feyth then we wouldn't have had to spend so much time on shooting/stealing towers :< But i'm sure delve will be different! Hmm, interesting, didn't you do EXACTLY the same thing as we rolled over your lower territories? Ah yes, you did. Perhaps you should spend more time listening to the groaning and creaking sounds coming from the 150 pos you have in place before being too sure that the same thing won't happen to you when the first piece of pressure is applied. I'll place my bets that you simply crumble and fold all the way back to behind RA space when your leadership declares it's false victory. We did? I know you were AFK from eve for a while, in that period even, but bob never reached RA space. You spammed omist with POS' before it could be defended and then met the wall in tenerifis. And again, read our forums more closely, we don't have 150 pos.
Salastil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:54:00 - [140] Edited by: Salastil on 27/01/2008 13:54:56 Originally by: Anahid Brutus Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Anahid Brutus Hm, I think you need to read gf.com a bit more closely, we don't kill alliances in swift, massive battles. We grind them down, week after week, month after month. We don't expect you to fold. In fact, we hope you'll last more than long enough for us to see your entire Coalition slowly crumble into nothing like your obedient "pets" in rise, corm, exe, tsc, lv, axe, fix and iss have already done. No you don't. You nap everyone around and then get them to do all the work while you sit back and spill onto the forums about how glorious you are. The very fact that you haven't achieved a single thing in delve yet and are now starting to spout off only after RA and MC have put up is quite understandable. It's funny to read things like this, again. It reminds me when we put up a tower in RISE space a couple months ago and sent some small gangs into RIT. We killed some capitals, some ratters and some pvp gangs of theirs, but it wasn't an invasion. RISE didn't understand this so when we went on to focusing on retaking Omist they posted a thread on the forums on how they had halted our invasion and that we had achieved nothing, i think they did some k:d ratio posturing too. When we finally did invade they lasted less than a week. Hopefully you'll last longer. Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Anahid Brutus If only your brotherhood would have equalled fleet participation in tenerifis, catch, omist and feyth then we wouldn't have had to spend so much time on shooting/stealing towers :< But i'm sure delve will be different! Hmm, interesting, didn't you do EXACTLY the same thing as we rolled over your lower territories? Ah yes, you did. Perhaps you should spend more time listening to the groaning and creaking sounds coming from the 150 pos you have in place before being too sure that the same thing won't happen to you when the first piece of pressure is applied. I'll place my bets that you simply crumble and fold all the way back to behind RA space when your leadership declares it's false victory. We did? I know you were AFK from eve for a while, in that period even, but bob never reached RA space. You spammed omist with POS' before it could be defended and then met the wall in tenerifis. And again, read our forums more closely, we don't have 150 pos. Fight with DBPreacher some more. I love it when goons get trolled so easily. THE MORE WORDS I PUT WILL MAKE HIM SEE REASON I SWEAR JUST 1000 MORE AND HE'LL BE SWAYED.
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:57:00 - [141] Pyramid quote removed. Navigator
Salastil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:59:00 - [142] Pyramid quote removed. Navigator
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:01:00 - [143] Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/01/2008 14:02:23 Originally by: Anahid Brutus It's funny to read things like this, again. It reminds me when we put up a tower in RISE space a couple months ago and sent some small gangs into RIT. We killed some capitals, some ratters and some pvp gangs of theirs, but it wasn't an invasion. RISE didn't understand this so when we went on to focusing on retaking Omist they posted a thread on the forums on how they had halted our invasion and that we had achieved nothing, i think they did some k:d ratio posturing too. When we finally did invade they lasted less than a week. Hopefully you'll last longer. Umm, we already have? This isn't the goons invasion, you invaded a couple of weeks ago remember. This is RA and MC coming to play and actually do stuff. We haven't even broken a sweat in delve yet. Originally by: Anahid Brutus We did? I know you were AFK from eve for a while, in that period even, but bob never reached RA space. You spammed omist with POS' before it could be defended and then met the wall in tenerifis. Ah the beautiful rose tinted glasses of make believe. I think you should take another look at the real time maps from then but I never mentioned RA space. We are talking purely goons here and you rolled over in omist, tenerifis and when I left (just before the changes to the titans), we had a foothold in Detorid and were pushing on JV1V etc. RA's capitals at that time were the only reason you were able to delay us at all because you had no ability to touch us in our primetime, in fact, you still don't. But hey, you keep telling RA that you are perfectly capable to function by yourselves and capable of finishing the job. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll leave you to pick up all the glory because right now, you're simply a meatshield for the real pvp'ers ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Salastil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:03:00 - [144] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Anahid Brutus It's funny to read things like this, again. It reminds me when we put up a tower in RISE space a couple months ago and sent some small gangs into RIT. We killed some capitals, some ratters and some pvp gangs of theirs, but it wasn't an invasion. RISE didn't understand this so when we went on to focusing on retaking Omist they posted a thread on the forums on how they had halted our invasion and that we had achieved nothing, i think they did some k:d ratio posturing too. When we finally did invade they lasted less than a week. Hopefully you'll last longer. Umm, we already have? This isn't the goons invasion, you invaded a couple of weeks ago remember. This is RA and MC coming to play and actually do stuff. Originally by: Anahid Brutus We did? I know you were AFK from eve for a while, in that period even, but bob never reached RA space. You spammed omist with POS' before it could be defended and then met the wall in tenerifis. Ah the beautiful rose tinted glasses of make believe. I think you should take another look at the real time maps from then but I never mentioned RA space. We are talking purely goons here and you rolled over in omist, tenerifis and when I left (just before the changes to the titans), we had a foothold in Detorid and were pushing on JV1V etc. RA's capitals at that time were the only reason you were able to delay us at all because you had no ability to touch us in our primetime, in fact, you still don't. But hey, you keep telling RA that you are perfectly capable to function by yourselves and capable of finishing the job. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll leave you to pick up all the glory because right now, you're simply a meatshield for the real pvp'ers ;) dbp I'm not quite sure what is your character name I don't know who you are.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:07:00 - [145] Originally by: DB Preacher Hmm, interesting, didn't you do EXACTLY the same thing as we rolled over your lower territories? Ah yes, you did. Perhaps you should spend more time listening to the groaning and creaking sounds coming from the 150 pos you have in place before being too sure that the same thing won't happen to you when the first piece of pressure is applied. I'll place my bets that you simply crumble and fold all the way back to behind RA space when your leadership declares it's false victory. dbp We pulled out of those regions cos we were getting our asses handed to us, and inches from collapse. So if you want to continue using that comparison, go right ahead. I find the fact you talk about false victories pretty surprising considering your chestbeating after camping some goons into S-U for 2 weeks. Originally by: DB Preacher Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
Salastil GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:07:00 - [146] Edited by: Salastil on 27/01/2008 14:08:04 Originally by: DB Preacher Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll leave you to pick up all the glory because right now, you're simply a meatshield for the real pvp'ers ;) dbp I have more glory than you, I'm fairly positive my glory count is way higher than almost everyone ingame. Edit: We're not talking about glory holes are we?
Omeega UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:16:00 - [147] can we have some atuk/dice guys talking about stamina and how good they are to achieve goals? /me pokes thol Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Kalvin Braunberg GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:16:00 - [148] Originally by: DB Preacher This is exactly what I am saying to you that your biggest issue is listening to the rhetorical rubbish Mittani spews down onto your forums. Him telling you that BoB is simply another alliance who will fold with the slightest pressure is massively underestimating what BoB is. From our first inception, BoB has been setup as a pvp alliance. From top to bottom, from those working their ass off on the pos to the leaders in their titans, BoB has been forged to fight. There is no duality in the construction of BoB and everyone in BoB knows that it will take stamina and dedication to remain the number one pvp outfit in the game. However, what separates BoB from 99% of the other alliances in the game is not what defines us but the very fact that whatever happens, whatever outcome, we know that we have the support of our brother next to us on the battlefield. That's what BoB is. Members leave, members join but don't for a second believe that when it comes down to the fight that everyone available won't be there bleeding for the person next to him. That's why succeed, that's why fight, that's why your paper thin coalition won't achieve anything other than forging us to be even better. We are simply better than you. dbp God this is so ******* hilarious. I can hear your finger nails scratching at the walls.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:19:00 - [149] Originally by: DB Preacher We are simply better than you. dbp Are you gonna keep telling yourself that when living from npc stations too? We've been fighting this war just as long as you have, nobody in the coalition thinks this is going to be anything else than a grind. The last 6 regions you've blinked first and I'm sorry but it's gonna be you again. The dedication to ruin your fun and shutting your big mouth is just too big, sorry you old hag. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
OozoO Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:20:00 - [150] Originally by: DB Preacher We are simply better than you. dbp loses five regions Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
Anahid Brutus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:29:00 - [151] Originally by: DB Preacher Ah the beautiful rose tinted glasses of make believe. I think you should take another look at the real time maps from then but I never mentioned RA space. We are talking purely goons here and you rolled over in omist, tenerifis and when I left (just before the changes to the titans), we had a foothold in Detorid and were pushing on JV1V etc. From what i can tell then this is the high-water mark for bob: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/UNL/070627.png 9-9 and xgh pos spammed, not a single POS killed in jv1, not a single sov in detorid. Doesn't look like you even managed to keep sov in the KOS part of tenerifis.
Aneurysm Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:34:00 - [152] Originally by: DB Preacher We are simply better than you. dbp Its hilarious, do you never learn? Also, the assumption that we wont follow you if you move from delve when we rip it from you is a rather big one.
LvxAeterna The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:47:00 - [153] This is just like watching Baghdad Bob on TV during the Iraq war.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:49:00 - [154] Edited by: duckmonster on 27/01/2008 14:50:36 Originally by: DB Preacher Umm, we already have? This isn't the goons invasion, you invaded a couple of weeks ago remember. This is RA and MC coming to play and actually do stuff. We haven't even broken a sweat in delve yet. Its a shame you where when we where burning RIT to the ground, as you probably won't recgnise why most of us would get a bit of deja-vu on this one. You have no idea son. 10-20 goons and PL camping bob into PR- on and off for a few weeks doesn't even remotely resemble a real goon invasion. -----------
Desiderata Fabian GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:50:00 - [155] Originally by: DB Preacher We are simply better than you. dbp http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancerank.asp?Sov=OFF
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2008.01.27 14:56:00 - [156] Originally by: Aneurysm Originally by: DB Preacher We are simply better than you. dbp Its hilarious, do you never learn? Also, the assumption that we wont follow you if you move from delve when we rip it from you is a rather big one. Hey can I have the name of your pvp alt please, since searching your name on the bob kb comes up with 1 shuttle loss... Surely you can't be shouting about how you will follow bob with stats like that... Oh yeh, forgot this is a bandwagon thing, do continue.
Montasque GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:11:00 - [157] Edited by: Montasque on 27/01/2008 15:12:02 Originally by: DB Preacher dbp Oh DB, never change.
Zizzyx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:13:00 - [158] Originally by: Future Thing Hey can I have the name of your pvp alt please, since searching your name on the bob kb comes up with 1 shuttle loss... Surely you can't be shouting about how you will follow bob with stats like that... Oh yeh, forgot this is a bandwagon thing, do continue. Your ability to search BoB's killboard is UNPARALLELED! I am certain that reading those boring logs of ship destructions will allow you to achieve a deeper understanding of the man you speak to. Also I guess we should just kick out all of our covops and logistics pilots because they BARELY EVEN CONTRIBUTE to our killboards. Freeloaders!
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:39:00 - [159] A quick look at the territorial map reveals that Goonswarm, as stupid and full of crap as they are, they somehow managed to increase their space from a lousy region called syndicate to 5 regions! They are douchebags but their diplomatic and military actions have gained them alot of territory. And now look at Band of Brothers. Gone from a massive empire built on arrogance to a single region and they still build everything on "We are better than the others" arrogant ****. I would say Goonswarm diplomatic and military teams and characters playing their cards so well have won this huge blobbing piece of laggy game. Cool for you!
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:42:00 - [160] Originally by: Tassi A quick look at the territorial map reveals that Goonswarm, as stupid and full of crap as they are, they somehow managed to increase their space from a lousy region called syndicate to 5 regions! Hey now, I wouldn't call Syndicate lousy! I agree with the rest of the post though. -clp
Nifel Caldari PAX Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:49:00 - [161] Originally by: Tassi And now look at Band of Brothers. Gone from a massive empire built on arrogance to a single region and they still build everything on "We are better than the others" arrogant ****. They're simply telling you the truth. I know it hurts, but alas, they're not lying. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car."
Papa Digger OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:55:00 - [162] Originally by: Phenia Correct a major historical innacuracy here: RA -WAS- kicked out of C-J. They -WERE- down to 0 stations for a few days after Cache fell. AND THEN they counterspammed C-J and retook it more or less overnight (30 deathstars deployed by cargo-exploit carriers ftw.) The grind to RE-TAKE C-J, and in particular to deal with 10min module lag on a Dreadnaught with 1/6 of current dreads hitpoints, being hit by 100 t2 sniper bs at 240km was where RA won. Ahaha... next time it will be story about evil russkies deploed 50 deathstars, lags was 1 hours, and RA fleet was 200 t2 snipers BS shooting at 400km. After words "and then" your post completely bul*****. Anyway it WAS 1 or 2 days when RA lost station in Cache and didn't take C-J6 station (but having sov in system). PS. for true historican alts, touch of history. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=342838 ---- ex-CEO.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:59:00 - [163] Originally by: Future Thing Originally by: Aneurysm Originally by: DB Preacher We are simply better than you. dbp Its hilarious, do you never learn? Also, the assumption that we wont follow you if you move from delve when we rip it from you is a rather big one. considering dbp has what 2-3 kills in the 8 months you can consider it a shouting match between two non-factors I guess :) Hey can I have the name of your pvp alt please, since searching your name on the bob kb comes up with 1 shuttle loss... Surely you can't be shouting about how you will follow bob with stats like that... Oh yeh, forgot this is a bandwagon thing, do continue. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Johnfromshipping Butcherbirds	Posted - 2008.01.27 16:24:00 - [164] When you have to start listing reasons why your alliance is not going to die, it means it is.
Cassiuss Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 16:38:00 - [165] Originally by: DB Preacher From our first inception, BoB has been setup as a pvp alliance. From top to bottom, from those working their ass off on the pos to the leaders in their titans, BoB has been forged to fight. There is no duality in the construction of BoB and everyone in BoB knows that it will take stamina and dedication to remain the number one pvp outfit in the game. However, what separates BoB from 99% of the other alliances in the game is not what defines us but the very fact that whatever happens, whatever outcome, we know that we have the support of our brother next to us on the battlefield. That's what BoB is. Members leave, members join but don't for a second believe that when it comes down to the fight that everyone available won't be there bleeding for the person next to him. That's why succeed, that's why fight, that's why your paper thin coalition won't achieve anything other than forging us to be even better. We are simply better than you. dbp QFT
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 16:50:00 - [166] Edited by: HydroSan on 27/01/2008 16:50:40 From our first inception, BoB has been setup as a griefing alliance. From top to bottom, from those working their ass off on sisi to discover new POS exploits to the leaders in their titans performing the exploits on TQ, BoB has been forged to grief and deny other people the ability to fight on an equal playing field. There is no duality in the construction of BoB and everyone in BoB knows that it will take stamina and dedication to remain the number one griefing outfit in the game. However, what separates BoB from 99% of the other griefer pirate alliances in the game is not what defines us but the very fact that whatever happens, whatever outcome, we know that we have the support of the developers next to us on the battlefield, commanding our capital ship fleets and giving us free blueprints. That's what BoB is. Members leave, members join but don't for a second believe that when it comes down to the fight that everyone won't warp out unless victory can be 100% assured. That's why succeeded in losing a dozen regions, that's why despite killing a lot of ships we continue to fail to achieve strategic objectives, that's why our paper thin coalition got shattered by a bunch of ******** goons in t1 frigates and some angry russians in capital ships. Despite all that, we are simply better than you. dbp
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 16:53:00 - [167] You dug your own grave you arrogant little shits. You cannot stop us all, no matter how hard you might posture and smack on these forums. BoB is a pie, and everyone wants a piece.
Ruciza Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2008.01.27 16:57:00 - [168] The question is what will happen once BoB is sent to empire and after months decides to return to 0.0 some place else. Will the coalition still be there to stop them? Will it become a running gag?
Cassiuss Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 16:59:00 - [169] Originally by: HydroSan You dug your own grave you arrogant little shits. You cannot stop us all, no matter how hard you might posture and smack on these forums. BoB is a pie, and everyone wants a piece. You keep telling yourself you can beat us, go ahead and chestbeat. Come have a slice of Delve pie. Your tears are delicious.
Florio Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:04:00 - [170] /me senses goon frustration.
Sirius A DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:04:00 - [171] I would have to say that defeat SHOULD NOT be determined by if the opposing team disbands, quits game, stops playing ,changes their name, etc. The key variable in a territory game would be the amount of land/space remaining for the two teams. Thus, when Team A loses all their space Team B should be considered the victors. Its really that simple. "I am expendable"
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:08:00 - [172] Originally by: Cassiuss Originally by: HydroSan You dug your own grave you arrogant little shits. You cannot stop us all, no matter how hard you might posture and smack on these forums. BoB is a pie, and everyone wants a piece. You keep telling yourself you can beat us, go ahead and chestbeat. Come have a slice of Delve pie. Your tears are delicious. tears show in many different forms my dear sir. with a slightly farked memory i remember some pretty steap chest beating posts from your alliance as well.. _
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:11:00 - [173] Originally by: Cassiuss You keep telling yourself you can beat us, go ahead and chestbeat. Victim: Shrike Ship: Avatar
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:16:00 - [174] Originally by: Cassiuss Originally by: HydroSan You dug your own grave you arrogant little shits. You cannot stop us all, no matter how hard you might posture and smack on these forums. BoB is a pie, and everyone wants a piece. You keep telling yourself you can beat us, go ahead and chestbeat. Come have a slice of Delve pie. Your tears are delicious. we do cry a lot now that we have all of your space it's like the newly elected pope going into 'the crying room' well ok we're goons so its more like the 'farting room' but im just tryin' to play nice
George Clinton Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:19:00 - [175] Edited by: George Clinton on 27/01/2008 17:24:50 Originally by: DB Preacher dbp is a **** for 5000 words* We are simply better than you. dbp man would you shut the ** up, nobody underestimated anything and you're on par with every other major alliance at best. All that lotka deadweight didn't help y'all out too much, though Chowdown took some of that with him. Bet you guys are breathing a little easier over that. Oh wait no you aren't, Shinra was the first corp to ever leave BoB. Thats gotta sting a little. I mean, DICE would be a little embarassing, but ***** Shinra? Damn sons. Mediocrity Itself. Say goodbye to your industrial backbone for me.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:26:00 - [176] Navigator, you gonna start banning them for all the insults and personal attacks or do we still have to read this garbage ?
facialimpediment Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:35:00 - [177] Originally by: The Mittani well ok we're goons so its more like the 'farting room' but im just tryin' to play nice and that room stinks believe you me
Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:36:00 - [178] Edited by: Natas Dog on 27/01/2008 17:39:32 Just wondering, is there anywhere in here where BoB has stated the victory conditions, or is it just 6 pages of -dbp explaining how conceding all but one region to us since last summer is all part of the winning strategy? Edit: I'm also amazed no one's pulled the 'Why don't you lose your Mothership and quit the game for 6 months about it' card.
Stinkywrix GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 17:45:00 - [179] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/01/2008 12:50:16 Originally by: Chronojam Serious question: why did MC turn against you anyways? After a long, hard drive up north in charge of alot of other alliances, their leadership didn't have the stamina to go through another long, hard drive against the rest of eve and so they took the easy route out in order to try and save their own necks and space when the axe fell. By the MC leadership's own admission, they fell for the spin that the coalition would save them when the time came. So now they are buying time, hoping that sov 4 will hold off the hoards when they are looking for new targets. Unfortunately, they massively underestimated BoB's stamina and desire. Originally by: Anahid Brutus It's good that even after having recruited what must be half your current memberbase from those so called superpowers, then Bobs resolve is still strong as ever! I mean, it's not like your stout, new recruits like those from LV, fix, huns, rise, dfc and random ***house low-sec pirate corps will suddenly go off for some small gang pvp NPC 0.0 like syndicate and venal, but rather slug it out with POS wars in Delve! After all, every PVP'er dreams of slugging it out against hundreds of newbies in 3m isk blackbirds and caracals. This is exactly what I am saying to you that your biggest issue is listening to the rhetorical rubbish Mittani spews down onto your forums. Him telling you that BoB is simply another* alliance who will fold with the slightest pressure is massively underestimating what BoB is. From our first inception, BoB has been setup as a pvp alliance. From top to bottom, from those working their ass off on the pos to the leaders in their titans, BoB has been forged to fight. There is no duality in the construction of BoB and everyone in BoB knows that it will take stamina and dedication to remain the number one pvp outfit in the game. However, what separates BoB from 99% of the other alliances in the game is not what defines us but the very fact that whatever happens, whatever outcome, we know that we have the support of our brother next to us on the battlefield. That's what BoB is. Members leave, members join but don't for a second believe that when it comes down to the fight that everyone available won't be there bleeding for the person next to him. That's why succeed, that's why fight, that's why your paper thin coalition won't achieve anything other than forging us to be even better. We are simply better than you. dbp Do you actually believe what you say? Or are you just posturing so that you can save face when your alliance disbands?
OozoO Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:01:00 - [180] free oozoo! Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:03:00 - [181] Edited by: Scavok on 27/01/2008 18:02:56 Guys, nobody has pointed out the most important thing in this thread. DBP has started using paragraphs correctly. This is a sad day for all who enjoy mocking DBP. Luckily he still signs his posts. dbp
Xiang TaSkalin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:06:00 - [182] However we can still mock him. Because no one likes him. And his coworkers laughed when he broke his leg. lol dbp
Havoc GunStar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:07:00 - [183] Edited by: Havoc GunStar on 27/01/2008 18:08:34 Originally by: DB Preacher dbp Proficient Short Tanto Emphasis on Short.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.01.27 18:13:00 - [184] Thread has become nothing more than trolling and flaming. Locked. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang


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