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YouKilled AnAlt
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:10:00 -
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Thread after thread, week after week, year after year all about the same thing: the terrible lag people experience throughout eve but in particular in major trade hubs, major ratting systems and major fleet battles.
The common egg/chicken argument is:
"Cant CCP improve their hardware?"
"Well they could but then everyone would just do more until the same situation arose."
So an elegant solution:
200k subscribers. Working on US dollars thats 200,000 x $15 = $3,000,000 per month in subscriber payments to CCP. $36m per year.
It seems to me that instead of grabbing as many people as possible and just adding to the mire CCP should move the game into a limited entry mode.
Each time you lose a subscriber you can accept a new account. No deactivations = no new activations.
You can calculate exactly what your income is to your costs pay everyone a salary and work the problems out.
If you manage to improve things to the extent that the game becomes 100% playable for your vast subscriber base you can take people in in drafts.
Seems to me you are making an awful lot of money right now. Surely to continue to take in new subs when you are FULLY aware of the games current design and implementation problems is both greedy and lacking in morals.
Get back to your roots, dump the ferraris and the krystal, remember your vision.
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Andra Muse
EtE Clan
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:16:00 -
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 Originally by: YouKilled AnAlt
Thread after thread, week after week, year after year all about the same thing: the terrible lag people experience throughout eve but in particular in major trade hubs, major ratting systems and major fleet battles.
The common egg/chicken argument is:
"Cant CCP improve their hardware?"
"Well they could but then everyone would just do more until the same situation arose."
So an elegant solution:
200k subscribers. Working on US dollars thats 200,000 x $15 = $3,000,000 per month in subscriber payments to CCP. $36m per year.
It seems to me that instead of grabbing as many people as possible and just adding to the mire CCP should move the game into a limited entry mode.
Each time you lose a subscriber you can accept a new account. No deactivations = no new activations.
You can calculate exactly what your income is to your costs pay everyone a salary and work the problems out.
If you manage to improve things to the extent that the game becomes 100% playable for your vast subscriber base you can take people in in drafts.
Seems to me you are making an awful lot of money right now. Surely to continue to take in new subs when you are FULLY aware of the games current design and implementation problems is both greedy and lacking in morals.
Get back to your roots, dump the ferraris and the krystal, remember your vision.
because this is the key to a successful business strategy. i feel bad for even replying to this so i recommend people just ignore it. IBTL
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:16:00 -
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No.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Ikasu
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:18:00 -
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Other then bad business this will also kill the dreams of people who want to actually play Eve. Seriously, being rejected from a game because of a subscriber cap is kind of bogus. I got mad enough when Cabals closed beta decided to temp ban all American testers.
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Andra Muse
EtE Clan
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:19:00 -
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just don't reply, this isn't even worth the carbon footprint you're generating, not to mention the life your wasting answering. damn another 10 seconds gone.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: YouKilled AnAlt
Seems to me you are making an awful lot of money right now. Surely to continue to take in new subs when you are FULLY aware of the games current design and implementation problems is both greedy and lacking in morals.
There are in the process of upgrading their computers to (IIRC) an actual supercomputer. A computer that I believe will be among the most powerful not in government/university hands.
So there are investing in the game.
And FWIW I play a lot and rarely find lag to be a problem. When I do find lag an issue is exactly when I would expect it to (in Jita or a fleet situation). Mostly seems fine.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:20:00 -
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That's a good idea from a player's point of view, but a terribly bad one from a business' point of view.
CCP's current strategy is aggressive marketing, they're trying to get as many new subscribers as possible. They're even getting on the Steam platform. Most likely, the way they see it, there's going to be lag whether there's a 200k limitation or not, and people leaving because of it, and they might as well get as many people subscribed as possible.
Besides, lag is only present on a few areas. Try roaming around in high-sec during a Sunday. The hubs will have hundreds of people and horrible lag, but a high amount of systems will only have a few people. The servers can support a lot more people, the problem is that most insist on hanging around in the same locations. Some people look around until they find an area free of lag, other people come to the forums...
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Taedrin
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.01.28 02:37:00 -
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<sarcasm>
I have a better idea! Let's introduce log-in queues!
</sarcasm>
Seriously, any strategy which is founded on *NOT* letting people play is a stupid idea. It's stupid as a business strategy, and it's bad for the game.
Seriously, think about it. If CCP decided to cap subscribers, EVE would be come a closed game. The only people who can play it are the ones who are already playing. Once this happens, CCP will get bad PR and will find it hard to get new subscribers to replace the slow, but steady, loss of old subscribers. Or in other words, it would be the beginning of the end with regards to EVE. Also, don't forget that this game already puts off a lot of newer players because of the steep learning curve.
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2008.01.28 03:10:00 -
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This is awful. Why would a company ever do this?
The lag is really unacceptable in some places but alliance warfare isn't all there is and eve isn't exactly completely halted.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.28 03:17:00 -
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No more customers 4 u naughty CCP!
*Excelent Buiness strategy there OP*.
Kneecap ones own business to save it. What could possibly go wrong?
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Road Sweeper
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Posted - 2008.01.28 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Road Sweeper on 28/01/2008 03:27:38
only way this would work is if they increased the price to a point where the number of people willing to pay was what they wanted....... screw that.
edit: and for what it's worth, $36 million (ú18 million in real money) dosnt go far when you allow for hardware, bandwidth, buildings, wages, assets, advertising, etc, etc, etc.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.28 05:04:00 -
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but there are so many places that are still lag free!!!!!
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Segge Bolled
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.28 05:35:00 -
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I wasted my time reading the OP and all I got was this rise in my blood pressure.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.28 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Segge Bolled
I wasted my time reading the OP and all I got was this rise in my blood pressure.
this...
I know lets stop all people in the world being born..the world is over populated and polluted and full of crap we don't need.
take this pill...it wil make your genitals falls offs.....oh noes
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The Switch
Dust Clique
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Posted - 2008.01.28 06:58:00 -
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Undoubtedly my favorite aspect of Eve is that it is a persistent setting, and whatever i do (admittedly far from epic at this point) is part of the overall narrative. But . . . perhaps there are other clusters out there, evolving along radically different axes of cultural and technological progression. The game mechanics do seem pretty robust. Perhaps a Milky Way currently recovering from an epochal war with a far more virulent strain of drones; something like "Eve: The Dark Age" where salvage might be the main economy. The point is that maybe it's time to open a new server while still retaining the idea of a unique and persistent narrative.
Thus the real issue is getting another Jita or four and giving more 'empire' space and places for new characters to start out, current canon or not. Expanding the number of systems further out into 0.0 is necessary by virtue of the current story line, but this in a way has and will continue to suffer from 'diminishing returns' as a disproportionately small number of pilots will be able to use the space while still increasing the load on a finite number of existing civilized trade hubs.
And finally, perhaps the idea of 'isk sinks' could be further extended to include 'bandwidth sinks'. Extra dimensions of server real-estate within the current locales (station space anyone? revolutionary breakthroughs in jump tech?) that could be distributed to less used portions of the CCP super-computer while most-importantly still providing immediate transitions to the high volume areas.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.01.28 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Originally by: Segge Bolled
I wasted my time reading the OP and all I got was this rise in my blood pressure.
this...
I know lets stop all people in the world being born..the world is over populated and polluted and full of crap we don't need.
take this pill...it wil make your genitals falls offs.....oh noes
Can i ask you something, how come your sig aint been nerfed yet, its been over the width restriction for god knows how long and its seriously starting to bug me... Sorry 
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Ishan Mons
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.28 07:14:00 -
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OP must be french
cause the only people who use that business strategy are stuck up french waiters with too much attitude to sell you anything
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Completely UnAmused
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:16:00 -
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hahahaha
Yeah..im sure CCP is going to put a cap on how much isk...i mean money they make off of their product.
Sure CCP needs to offer more incentive for people to spread out beyond empire but they can't really force players to go out there. Better minerals are out in lowsec,apparently the gas clouds as well. One thing they need to do is increase the ratting aspect of lowsec. Not that I really care but I did spend a year in lowsec but ended up just doing L4s in empire since it was far better iskwise.
Sure ccp is going to prefer to be slightly successful as opposed to pushing for more.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:20:00 -
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I never lag. I find the trick is to avoid major fleet battles, avoid major ratting systems, and avoid major trade hubs. Blobfare sucks anyway.
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:23:00 -
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There's already plenty of natural subscriber turnover.
If they wanted to limit the number of people on the cluster they could start with getting rid of the 3-4k farmers that are online at any one time.
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:26:00 -
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The State Commission for Provision of Large Scale Space Combat and Economic Computational Simulation, SCPLSSCECS for short shall at once cap its citizen service level comrade!
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 28/01/2008 08:31:46
The OP fails horribly in 2 arguments!
1. 36m $ is NOT a large amount of money for a MMORPG game company!
2. The total amount of people is not creating lag, stupid game design rewarding blobbing (not just in fleet combat) is.
There are several types of blobbing.
- Fleet blobbing. Solvable! Implement more anti-blob weapons (like the titan DD)
- Mission system blobbing. Solvable! Remove quality level and system sec.level from reward calculation (replace the last with low-sec and 0.0 modifier).
- Trade system blobbing. Possibly not solvable.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:28:00 -
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One idea to solve fleet blobbing I've had is this:
BS (maybe cruiser) sized module.
Activates on ship death or pilot activation.
Destroys ship on activation.
If less than 100 ships on grid, absolutely no effect apart from destruction of ship.
If more than 100 ships on grid, the fun starts (damage and range going up with number of ships):
100-150 ships: 20-50km range, 500-3000 damage.
150-200 ships: 50-100km range, 3000-15000 damage.
250-300 ships: 100-150km range, 15000-60000 damage.
300+ ships: 150km range, WTFPWN damage.
(ship numbers are probably too high, since even 200 ships lag the server to hell, but that could easily be adjusted)
A module like this WOULD mean that eventually people wouldn't bring blobs to battle, simply because it'd be too costly/risky to do so.
Note that any idea along these lines CAN'T be directed against only enemy ships, since there is no easy (i.e. doable by the server) way to determine which ships are hostile. It HAS to target all ships.
While we probably all agree that it would be best if EVE COULD handle the large fleet battles, the sad truth is that it can't, and is unlikely to.
If the server can handle 200, people will bring 300 etc.
CCP should realise that fact, accept it, and work from there. Its no good working from the assumption that the server can handle these fights when it so obviously can't.
Realise what can and can't be done, and do the things that can!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:29:00 -
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Why cap subscribers to satisfy the extreme minority of A) Jita huggers or B) Fleet-fight fiends that are the main crybabies when it comes to the "OMFGBBQLAG" deal? Count me out. I live in a nice quiet corner of the galaxy where lag is nonexistant and local stays low and/or empty. If you can't figure out how to find your own quiet corner, so sorry, you are only average player. Please try again.
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"PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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smenkhare
Esoteric Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: YouKilled AnAlt
It seems to me that instead of grabbing as many people as possible and just adding to the mire CCP should move the game into a limited entry mode.
Each time you lose a subscriber you can accept a new account. No deactivations = no new activations.
You can calculate exactly what your income is to your costs pay everyone a salary and work the problems out.
If you manage to improve things to the extent that the game becomes 100% playable for your vast subscriber base you can take people in in drafts.
100% playable until they get sued.
Pretty sure what you're suggesting is illegal.
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Saint Apathy
Gallente
Joint Operations
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: smenkhare
100% playable until they get sued.
Pretty sure what you're suggesting is illegal.
What makes you think it is illegal? It's not like they have to let people play. It's just in their best interest.
Incidentally, OP, try to think your way through posts before making them. The idea was pretty stupid, and the evidence you used was that people on the forums are saying there is a problem. You never get real information from what people are whining about on the forums. Never. Don't even think about it.
Originally by: actionjaxun
What kind of "Pirate" are you? you just show up and knock out my warp drive, and then start shooting me for no reason.
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Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:49:00 -
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as ppl said, "no more customers" is idiocy.
however opening up a second server would be good and to cap the current one at 30k ppl or even 20k ppl at the same time online would be excellent atleast until the computer and network technology starts catching up.
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Xindi Kraid
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Xindi Kraid on 28/01/2008 08:55:13
Second server?
Would you be talking about Serenity which only has 4,000 players?
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Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Second server?
Would you be talking about Serenity?
no im not talking of the chinese server.
e second server that we can access from anywhere without chinese goverment intrusion.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.28 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/01/2008 08:57:01
Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Edited by: Xindi Kraid on 28/01/2008 08:55:13
Second server?
Would you be talking about Serenity which only has 4,000 players?
maybe?
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:04:00 -
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I only read your title - thats how wrong you are...
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:42:00 -
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Ehm, well... no, not happening.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Scott Tracy
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:46:00 -
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This is one of my alts didnt want to wake up my main after a hard days mission running. If a limit of 200k did come in even if you werent planning to play in months you would still keep accounts active and just log to change skills. Maybe the original poster already has 10 accounts. This smiley looks like the one for not very good ideas
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Ama-gi
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:55:00 -
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lol.
flamebait needs to be a bit more realistic to get the really good bites.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:57:00 -
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Great business plan I hope the OP is not working in position to define business strategy for his company.
Lag is here to stay. Lag is a problem of every single MMORPG when a lot of ppl are doing something together in the same place. Lag was always an issue in fleet battles. Even when 10k ppl online was considered to be record-breaking, the lag in fleet battles was horrible. CCP had upgraded their hardware, but the server population increased as well. The only way to solve the lag in fleet battles is to totally rethink territorial warfare mechanics. I don't know how to do it and I can't see this coming from CCP either.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.28 09:59:00 -
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The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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Opasna
Beltinci UnderGround
Egg Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:00:00 -
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No more money for CCP until we can't play! 
But subscription cap wouldn't change anything i'm afraid.
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YouKilled AnAlt
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:01:00 -
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lol @ serious responses to an obvious spoof thread, ill be sure to put [SARCASM/IRONIC-CONTENT] tags around the next one.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
But not so much for game mechanics. *coughDistributedSovObjectivescough*
Man, that cold is killing me! 
Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
Wow!! Awesome idea!! So when are you guys going to start implementing it?
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Yes. Yes I am.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: YouKilled AnAlt
lol @ serious responses to an obvious spoof thread, ill be sure to put [SARCASM/IRONIC-CONTENT] tags around the next one.
Are you sure? Because that's a spam and we have warnings for those... 
Originally by: Amarria Black
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
But not so much for game mechanics. *coughDistributedSovObjectivescough*
Man, that cold is killing me!
Yea, I might come around and.. help you with it. 
Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
Wow!! Awesome idea!! So when are you guys going to start implementing it?
Smart alec
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
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Heimdal Mid
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Heimdal Mid on 28/01/2008 10:42:21
To OP: are you high on something?
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Firkragg
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.28 10:42:00 -
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Isnt the limit to the number of people the hardware (not the current infrastructure) can support alot higher than the current subscriber base. I remember something about tranquility only using a relativly small amount of its total processing capability atm. Once they work out the best approach to distributed computing on tranquility it should be able to support even greater numbers quite happily.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2008.01.28 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Yea, I might come around and.. help you with it.
Hrmmm.... are you offering to help kill me, or help me out with "my cold"? B/C if you're working on distributed sov objectives, then I'm airmailing you a freaking case of a local microbrew.
Originally by: Frug
Your reputation has been entirely redeemed in my eyes. I now want your babies.
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evriss
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Posted - 2008.01.28 12:37:00 -
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I think what gets me is the fact that space is oooohhh so full thesedays, and with lowsec being so hard to make cash in, and 0.0 the play ground of the bigger allainces, most normal folks are finding empire more and more laggy and generally full
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.28 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: evriss
I think what gets me is the fact that space is oooohhh so full thesedays, and with lowsec being so hard to make cash in, and 0.0 the play ground of the bigger allainces, most normal folks are finding empire more and more laggy and generally full
That's because "most normal folks" in this game have a hard time thinking outside the box, taking acceptable risks, thinking in an entrepreneurial fashion, and in general don't want to do the hard work of scouting/researching/supplying/exploiting places that are lucrative but more difficult than average to access.
Think CCP put those small and isolated pockets of lowsec (think 2 or 3 systems either dead-ended or surrounded by highsec), or those highsec pockets that require lowsec travel to get to, in there just at random? Negative, buster. They're there so that people who have the stones to take the risk can become rich...if they dare.
Stopping lag, in one easy step:
Get. The Fark. Out. Of. Jita. (replace Jita with any 'hub' system that people congregate in like cattle)
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke
Why cap subscribers to satisfy the extreme minority of A) Jita huggers or B) Fleet-fight fiends that are the main crybabies when it comes to the "OMFGBBQLAG" deal? Count me out. I live in a nice quiet corner of the galaxy where lag is nonexistant and local stays low and/or empty. If you can't figure out how to find your own quiet corner, so sorry, you are only average player. Please try again.
I'm sure many 0.0 corps would like to find a nice quiet Corner of space but the problem is their neighbours like to "visit" and show their new purchases off like new turrets or titans....
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Caiman Graystock
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:16:00 -
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No.
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Maximillion Carter
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:22:00 -
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I seriously hope the OP does not or never intends to run his own business....
"Hey I got 10 regular customers who come and buy newspapers of from each day, I don;t want to serve the othe 100 who would like to come into my shop!"
As Mr Sugar would say..."Your Fired!"
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: YouKilled AnAlt
lol @ serious responses to an obvious spoof thread, ill be sure to put [SARCASM/IRONIC-CONTENT] tags around the next one.
lol @ idiot alt poster trying to regain face after realising his idea was so stupid that even the devs posted to mock it,
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Vateh
Amarr Empire Research Copr
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Posted - 2008.01.28 15:37:00 -
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Perhaps the time has come for the expansion of empire based solar systems since it seems like players prefer these locations to low sec or to 0.0 systems. I would suggest adding constellations to the busier empire regions to see if this causes the players to spread out more evenlly in the game. If this does not work, perhaps a rearrangement of stargates will cause a shakeup that will spread the players more evenly in the empire. The last thing we need is more 0.0 systems for the big alliance to control.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke
Why cap subscribers to satisfy the extreme minority of A) Jita huggers or B) Fleet-fight fiends that are the main crybabies when it comes to the "OMFGBBQLAG" deal? Count me out. I live in a nice quiet corner of the galaxy where lag is nonexistant and local stays low and/or empty. If you can't figure out how to find your own quiet corner, so sorry, you are only average player. Please try again.
This is just wrong.
We have had gangs of 20-30 people crash in SYNDICATE because of what is happening in Tpar in Period Basis. So no, it's not just the jita or blobbers who feel the pain of the lag these days. It's happening in 30 vs. 30 fights aswell.
Whil the OP is an obvious and self-proclaimed troll, I think I read somewhere that the goal was to get 300k subscribers. And a massive amount of money was to be spent on the marketing part( I can't for the life of me remember where I saw/read it, but possibly a dev blog?). Maybe they should shift the focus a bit, and pump more cash into creating less lag environment and answering petetions of players, rather than cater for possible costumers?
I ofcourse acknowledge I have no idea of the inner workings of CCP and how they prioritise their cash. This is just the impression I've got.
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Red Desire
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:50:00 -
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Well to the OP, it's a silly ideea from the point of view of CCP, they need to make money.. more money the better :)
Now the only thing that could resemble what you are saying it would be to loose lots and lots of their customers because they can't provide the services they supposed to.. meaning
their loss would be bigger then the gain of new customers.
This will never happen, and you know why? because us, the customers, are stupid... I know I am, stayed 2 years in a MMO just waiting for the next patch that would make the game enjoyable for me, see ...next patch,project,improvement,add-on,fix whatever... the bone dangling in front of my eyes
Now I found myself returned to Eve for 1 year and something, and have this Need for speed in front of my eyes.. not new ships and skills, the need for speed.... waahh
Still in my numerous major fleet battles, I found myself once maybe twice where I had a no lag in a fleet battle ( that's 1 year of constant 0.0 fighting). Prolly I will stay for 2 years mark then will go and look elsewhere a bone to chase.
Seriously though, I didn't find anywhere yet, what the deal with 80% of people participating in a fleet battle are lagging to death while the other 20% are having a blast by killing them with little to no lag?
I mean, I have lost 3 or 4 ships in a row to invisible enemies... that's no fun at all, I begun to play with 2 characters on 2 computers to increase my chance in the lag lottery but it seems I'm not very lucky yet. :(
Couldn't it be possible, that you could share the love, at least make all of us lag the same?
Anyways for what it's worth I like CCP people, at least they post on the forums, they don't have the "ignore it, maybe it will go away" attitude.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.28 16:54:00 -
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When Wrangler becomes a serial killer, I hope all of you know it is your fault.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Xindi Kraid
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.28 17:04:00 -
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WAIT Guys I have discoverd the solution to lag:
Stay out of Jita
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James Swindle
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.28 17:08:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Apocryphai
Originally by: YouKilled AnAlt
lol @ serious responses to an obvious spoof thread, ill be sure to put [SARCASM/IRONIC-CONTENT] tags around the next one.
lol @ idiot alt poster trying to regain face after realising his idea was so stupid that even the devs posted to mock it,
This man speaks truth!
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Skaz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.28 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
When Wrangler becomes a serial killer, I hope all of you know it is your fault.
What do you mean by "WHEN" ?
I seem to remember a lot more ppl on the forums a while ago
and to the OP: NO NO NO NO.......
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smenkhare
Esoteric Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.28 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Apathy
Originally by: smenkhare
100% playable until they get sued.
Pretty sure what you're suggesting is illegal.
What makes you think it is illegal? It's not like they have to let people play. It's just in their best interest.
Refusal to trade legislation.
obviously not everywhere has the same rules but pretty sure that england (where the servers are) does have it.
could also come under discrimination, letting some people play and telling others to bugger off.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:30:00 -
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You know, I know of a government that tried to regulate the amount of income its citizens could make amongst other things that seemed good at the time. I believe that government folded in 1990 and the country has yet to really rebound from its foolishness.
You know how quickly this would kill CCP? Within the month of this being implimented they would scare off any potentally new individual from even trying eve as they would have to:
1. Hope that they were at the end of a short list
2. Would have to check back routinely to make sure the list was moving
3. Would really, really want to get into EvE in the first place to put up with that BS.
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RedLion
Caldari
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:32:00 -
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Haha, bad trolling attempt, but funny with serious answers :D
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:47:00 -
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Hi. You obviously have an MBA or Doctorate in economics.
What other ideas do you have for CCP? Maybe they will hire you.
/makes fart noise
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Cornette
Gallente
Black Screen of Death
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:03:00 -
[62]
This is the best trolling thread I read today.
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Radix Salvilines
VENA GROUP
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:19:00 -
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bwahaha... nice thread
better push the newcomers to the chineese server :P They pay and dont cause lag in here haha - now thats an idea!!
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:47:00 -
[64]
Wranglers replies made my day.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.01.29 02:14:00 -
[65]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
so why is it getting worse? couple of years ago a 300 man battle was great and hardly laggy at all now you cant have a 100 man battle without crashing the servers?
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.01.29 02:19:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
so why is it getting worse? couple of years ago a 300 man battle was great and hardly laggy at all now you cant have a 100 man battle without crashing the servers?
Now instead of one 300 man battle, there's 10 100 man battles.
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Originally by: Tarminic
I believe your mother should have re-rolled her birth control.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.01.29 05:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The Need for Speed is an ongoing thing where we design everything with the goal of reducing lag, this is for both hardware and software.
so why is it getting worse? couple of years ago a 300 man battle was great and hardly laggy at all now you cant have a 100 man battle without crashing the servers?
Now instead of one 300 man battle, there's 10 100 man battles.
and with all the hardware upgrades 10 100 man fights in different places should be easily managable but no one single 300 man fight brings the WHOLE server to its knees which it didnt do a ferw years ago ccp are obviopusly doing something wrong, has anyone informed the prigrammers that 'need for speed' is aboutimproving the server and not making different nanoships?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.29 05:24:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Alowishus
Hi. You obviously have an MBA or Doctorate in economics.
What other ideas do you have for CCP? Maybe they will hire you.
nobel prize for uber database coding skills?
that one might actually help
i wish i could write a database that does thousands of transactions every second with 40k people at the same time with no latency 
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Thomas Redux
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Posted - 2008.01.29 05:32:00 -
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Till the ccp *****es give up on their no sharding bull**** and shard eve, I'm gone. It was a good idea while eve was small but now the lagfest sucks ass. CCP needs to stop beating the meat and get a fuc.kin clue. Until they pull their thumbs out of their asses, Im keeping my 2 account fees. EVE used to be such a great game... now it's a big cryfest of nerfage.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.29 05:34:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Thomas Redux
Till the ccp *****es give up on their no sharding bull**** and shard eve, I'm gone. It was a good idea while eve was small but now the lagfest sucks ass. CCP needs to stop beating the meat and get a fuc.kin clue. Until they pull their thumbs out of their asses, Im keeping my 2 account fees. EVE used to be such a great game... now it's a big cryfest of nerfage.
any idea on how to do that?
oh and I'm still lag free
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.01.29 07:27:00 -
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Lag in eve is ever present.
A 5 v 5 lags, but isnt much, not normally enough to change the outcome of the fight.
The problem is the objectives of 0.0 alliances, they have to have goals, CCP keeps screwing this up royally.
They seem to have no idea what goes on, or they are so addicted to their grand vision that they dont care about making the game playable now.
Titans:
Anti blob weapon? Yes they are usefull against as many small ships as you can pack into a small area.
Does it take a lot of effort to build one? yes
Does this mean the alliance owning it will do everything to protect it? yes
Does this mean the opposition will have to do even more, including bring more ships to kill it? YES
Cyno jammers.
No cap ships for the attackers, so you need 40+ battleships and many man hours to take it out.
If the pos is properly defended then you're basically boned.
Carriers+fighters
Fighters cause lag, but are immune to it and just keep on killing, so causing lag actually benefits the side with a lot of carriers.
Sov...
Directly linked to pos's, no real limit on how many you can have up other than how many moons are in the system, each and every system is the same.
Stront timing as well as its own massive HP/regen/defences mean it will ALWAYS cause blob fights.
CCP know these things, they know that they have caused the blobs, they know that people want to win and will bring more anyway and so they do nothing.
EvE is on a pretty serious downward spiral in terms of large scale fights, and small scale PVP is being killed off by CCP for some reason (exploration, lets put the carebears somewhere you cant see and cant warp too without spending an age probing for, while leaving local alone, meaning they have ages to flee and hide)
They also want to remove static belts and add gate guns in 0.0 eventually... what do CCP want the left overs of eve to look like?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.29 18:43:00 -
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throttle the number of connections allowed on the server at one time to only 10000 and no system can have more than 80 people in it except jita that can have no more than 200 people in it
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