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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 10:31:57
I feel that Cyno jammers do require attention as they are over powered when used in conjunction with multiple Titans. This has been demonstrated by several rescent conflicts.
They have had the opposite affect then that for which they were intended. They have increased the need for numbers rather then becoming a small scale objective.
I am also glad that CCP is directing the required attention to this matter.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Sandy Brown
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The only "evidence" of them not being fine so far has been provided by the RSF v BoB war. And even there it has been provided in extremely limited amounts (as in: one side complaining about them only).
Let's see what happens if and when cynojammers end up being challenged in other parts or by other parties in Eve shall we ?
This war after all, is not exactly typical for normal gameplay.
That's a pretty good point. Any consideration of changes to cyno jammers needs to take into account how cynojammers work in smaller wars. There is not yet a statistically significant sample of such situations. Having said that there are some changes discussed here which have been very good ideas.
Great care also needs to be taken because this argument is being influenced to an unknown extent by members of goonfleet whose ulterior motive is to have the game rebalanced in a manner that benefits them. As we learnt from their efforts to have titans nerfed, they will put a considerable effort into manipulating such debates.
I am not a member of Goonfleet and I also support the need for "fixing" Cyno jammers and titans combined. I am always reminded of the "hero" unit in other RTS games where you are limited to how many you mahy buildl, unfortunately I am not sure how this would be practically enforced in eve with the ability to have alts and so on.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 12:55:44
Originally by: TWD
I heard about this amazing tactic to align the battleships when a titan is showing on scanner, and then warp out when a DD is activated.
Or to fit a setup that can tank 2-3 DD's.
What about doomsdays from 8 titans?
Sorry TWD but clearly there is a problem. This may play to your advantage or disadvantage but come on. Seriously.
Eve does not need Doomsdays to end conflicts quickly it needs ot encourage slugfests and ship losses and those good old fleet fights. In my opinion a Titan should be a rolling station with a forcefield and ability to go in shields on the field to repair yourself etc.
The thing that I find funny is how could CCP have not forseen the problems that may arise from MANY titans on the field? regardless of a cyno jammer. I also think Titan doomsdays going through pos shields with forcefield passwords is pretty bad aswell for both sides.
I cannot thikn of anything more frustrating then waiting for 8 titans to show up on scanner warping everytime to find out that one isn't coming. I can imagine the comedy it would give you but I dont think thats a sensible solution.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeus
Are you serious.....
You want CCP to rebalance the WHOLE game to account for the Unqiue possibility that there are multiple titans online in the system.............
I'm speachless
I am not wanting anyone to do anything. Just presenting my opinion like anyone else, However I have played eve for a number of years and feel that multiple titans in the system are what they are.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: DT3
TWD, I would also really like to hear any tactics you have on getting in to a system with 4 titans inside and let say for arguments sake 2 gates. We even have a titan to jump bridge us to the other gate. You have a spy on my Ts ( as always) and a titan on each gate sitting 250km off. 2 titans on stand by to warp to any titan that may get in trouble + Motherships to armor rep any titan in trouble. Lets also just say THAT system is your LAST sov system. There are no other viable targets.
How would you counter that? (This is actually a serious question)
If you have 1 system left and play 23/7 (yeah right) to defend it while receiving the advantages of defending the cyno jammed system, why shouldn't you be able to keep it?
You still didn't answer my question.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 13:37:07
Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 13:36:46
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: DT3
You still didn't answer my question. Lets also make this interesting. You dont even have a support fleet. JUST 8 titans.
Its unbeatable.
If "only" 8 titans, nothing else, then the fleet can warp out if DD is activated and aligned/up to speed.
Jeez.
If "only" 8 titans, nothing else, if the gate is bubbled by mobile warpdisruptors, you jump in staggered.
Jeez.
Yes, That still doesn't account for you knowing that the jumm is staggered. That also creates a situation where 8 titan sit on grid with the cyno jammer. Its just silly to debate this because it wont go anywhere.
However I dont dispute that with just 8 titans you could GET in to system by some miracle if they dont doomsday you every few minutes when the Majority of the hostile fleet jumps in.\
I would like to thank you for entertaining my request.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 13:45:54
Originally by: Sandy Brown
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In all honesty, forget that goonfleet even brought this up. I was already "whining" about it when the siege of Tpar was meant to be happening. However I am hoping for something other then a knee jerk reaction instead a well thought out solution.(I wish I was intelligent enough to think of one. I am trying though) I agree, there needs to be care taken in how this situation is handled.
I do think that DEBATE on this matter is a good thing. It does highlight that something is not working as ti should and on the other side hwe ave the counter argument. This can only be healthy and help improve this game we all love to play.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 13:58:46
Originally by: Bozse
Jammers and Titans:
Not a serious issue in reality as the number of titans isn't that high and even with bridges they can't be everywhere at the same time, the argued 4-8 titans defending a jammer just shows lack of emagination in strategies.
Please feel free to join in and enlighten us all with your imaginative ideas.
Like your colleagues have.
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DT3
Reblious Colonial Miners
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Posted - 2008.03.10 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 14:23:14
Edited by: DT3 on 10/03/2008 14:18:23
Originally by: Crohnx
so dtee u think that everything in eve should be conquered easily and that theres no more eve fortresess around?
Not at all. Conquerring ASCN space wasn't easy, I dont think conquering any space was easy before the introduction of Cyno jammers and Supercaps.For example the ASCN war, it wasn't easy for BOB it required excellent logistics, planning and brains. If ASCN had fought on the same level as BoB it would have been very difficult to remove them. For example 1 titan per system wasn't "easy" to conquer. Its just about reaching a balance between the two. Also this isn't a I want all BoB pos's offlined argument. this is more of a game balance for all argument.
At the end of the day this should be "fun" nothing should be too easy or too difficult.
Please ask LV if it was "easy" to conquer RA space without CYNO jammers.
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