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Gluecksbaerchi Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:19:00 - [1] Dear CCP, I do not understand the 25% base speed nerf of the interdictors. With T2-gear (rig-less), a sabre barely scratches 4km/s, which renderes the ship useless for the anti-support role. Not to mention flycatchers and heretics I am looking forward on a rather intelligent comment on this, a comment from CCP directly, and I do not appreciate the whine. And I don't want to hear your polycarbs-gistii-setups, thankies Thanks for reading this, yours sincerily, baerchi
Hoder Daynari	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:23:00 - [2] Originally by: Gluecksbaerchi Dear CCP, I do not understand the 25% base speed nerf of the interdictors. With T2-gear (rig-less), a sabre barely scratches 4km/s, which renderes the ship useless for the anti-support role. Not to mention flycatchers and heretics I am looking forward on a rather intelligent comment on this, a comment from CCP directly, and I do not appreciate the whine. And I don't want to hear your polycarbs-gistii-setups, thankies Thanks for reading this, yours sincerily, baerchi QFT, give back my 5km/s NOT FACTION fitted sabre. Btw a gistii b-type 1mn mwd + 2x poly + sabre goes 5.5km/s with rogues and ac V. With such a setup you'd expect it to outrun a normal fitted inty. (my claw goes 7.2km/s w/o rigs or faction ...) Give it back, please Hoder Daynari Last movie !
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Gluecksbaerchi Dear CCP, I do not understand the 25% base speed nerf of the interdictors. With T2-gear (rig-less), a sabre barely scratches 4km/s, which renderes the ship useless for the anti-support role. Not to mention flycatchers and heretics I am looking forward on a rather intelligent comment on this, a comment from CCP directly, and I do not appreciate the whine. And I don't want to hear your polycarbs-gistii-setups, thankies Thanks for reading this, yours sincerily, baerchi Firstly, if you want to contact CCP regarding something - Mail them. Posting here will attract flames, and trolling. As for your OP, from where im sitting, it balances the speed a tad more. Not to say dictors went to fast etc, and considering their life expectancy due to sig size and hp count, i do see how speed is your only ally. However, there are two sides of the same coin. For example, my raptor goes 6kms. Its got one point of scramble, and near enough zero dps. A flycatcher doesnt have zero dps (I will confess, ive not flown dictors, but fly hictors instead), a flycatcher hits for full damage with any of its missiles near enough, and pre-nerf they could reach speeds that the majority of ships couldnt keep up with, unless they themselves were nano'd or ceptors etc. So i think the reason for the nerf imo was due to the simple fact that you have here a ship that can instantly scramble anything for 2 minutes, and it doesnt even need to be there. eg. Lay bubble, warp. Ontop of fast speeds, it could get out of its own bubble immediately, and as such, the only things that could grab them were lucky shots, or webs. Whilst not something that screams 'overpowered', it could be argued either way. But they still have a role, cant be replaced, even with Hictors, and are damn fun to fly from what ive heard. 4kms, mediocre dps, and AoE warp scram? Mmmm
Gluecksbaerchi Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Waxau Firstly, if you want to contact CCP regarding something - Mail them. hmm, good point. nerfbat-department@?
Marcuis Caldari NEXUS CLOUD Cursed Nemesis	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:57:00 - [5] OH please guys what eve world do you live in, before the nerf the sabres fitted with speed rigs,nano's,fraction MWD and snake implants reach up to 10km M/s, question is Are dictors suppose to be faster then the ceptors even though ceptors are ment to be the fastest ships in the game.? . Think about what your asking here.?
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2008.01.29 11:59:00 - [6] it was a shame they nerfed all of them, only the sabre needed a nerf
Gluecksbaerchi Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.29 12:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Marcuis OH please guys what eve world do you live in, before the nerf the sabres fitted with speed rigs,nano's,fraction MWD and snake implants reach up to 10km M/s, question is Are dictors suppose to be faster then the ceptors even though ceptors are ment to be the fastest ships in the game.? . Think about what your asking here.? First of you are mixing a full stop with a question mark. Secondly, nano-rigs are better, and a polycarb'ed, speedfitted, faction (gistii a-type) MWDed (overloaded) stiletto with snakes and gang bonuses goes 23,2km/s. Originally by: Marcuis OH please guys what eve world do you live in.?
Ancy Denaries Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Gluecksbaerchi Originally by: Marcuis OH please guys what eve world do you live in, before the nerf the sabres fitted with speed rigs,nano's,fraction MWD and snake implants reach up to 10km M/s, question is Are dictors suppose to be faster then the ceptors even though ceptors are ment to be the fastest ships in the game.? . Think about what your asking here.? First of you are mixing a full stop with a question mark. Secondly, nano-rigs are better, and a polycarb'ed, speedfitted, faction (gistii a-type) MWDed (overloaded) stiletto with snakes and gang bonuses goes 23,2km/s. Originally by: Marcuis OH please guys what eve world do you live in.? Yeah, and that setup is of course availible to each and every player? Who in his right mind will spend that lot on a ship that pops if you fart at it? Not to mention that that speed ain't very sustainable with the overloaded MWD. Originally by: "GM Tacgnol" Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:34:00 - [9] Short story: They were making interceptors obsolete. Long story: Even a poly carbed T2 mwd fitted sabre is way too fast. It needed a nerf but as said above, its too bad they nerfed all of them. I know what you sabre lovers want. This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Skeiron Wretched Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Gluecksbaerchi Originally by: Marcuis OH please guys what eve world do you live in, before the nerf the sabres fitted with speed rigs,nano's,fraction MWD and snake implants reach up to 10km M/s, question is Are dictors suppose to be faster then the ceptors even though ceptors are ment to be the fastest ships in the game.? . Think about what your asking here.? ...nano-rigs are better, and a polycarb'ed, speedfitted, faction (gistii a-type) MWDed (overloaded) stiletto with snakes and gang bonuses goes 23,2km/s. Yeah, and that setup is of course availible to each and every player? Who in his right mind will spend that lot on a ship that pops if you fart at it? Not to mention that that speed ain't very sustainable with the overloaded MWD. Lol @ first off using top faction fitted sabre to show how imbalanced they are, then saying that noone would fit that on an inty ------------------------- No more alt-posts!!! Originally by: Derek Sigres Minmatar ships look like someone built a racecar with parts out of a junkyard.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Short story: They were making interceptors obsolete. Long story: Even a poly carbed T2 mwd fitted sabre is way too fast. It needed a nerf but as said above, its too bad they nerfed all of them. I know what you sabre lovers want. This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. problem is, it was ONLY the sabre that could do such thing. the other 3 were not. hell, why nerf the eris? --- planetary interaction idea!
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:46:00 - [12] I don't fully understand the nerf myself either. Using the argument "with faction/deadspace equipment, full snakes etc etc interdictors were going at eleventy billion m/s and interceptors couldn't catch them" doesn't make sense - put the same on an interceptor and it'll be twice the speed. Using the argument that they were making interceptors obsolete is incorrect too - they have a much higher sig radius and actually die faster than ceptors do. Saying the flycatcher gives full damage is misleading - they were used primarily against interceptors and other dictors - moving at high speeds - even rockets wont do much damage over 5km/sec - light missiles certainly wont. I also have a problem with the Flycatcher - with only 1 low slot and the "fattest" of the interdictors, it's at a distinct speed disadvantage. Combined with it's very difficult fitting figures, it makes it a hard ship to fly compared to the other interdictors. I think a base 25% speed nerf was a bit much - if it was even needed at all? -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Short story: They were making interceptors obsolete. Long story: Even a poly carbed T2 mwd fitted sabre is way too fast. It needed a nerf but as said above, its too bad they nerfed all of them. I know what you sabre lovers want. This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. problem is, it was ONLY the sabre that could do such thing. the other 3 were not. hell, why nerf the eris? Thats why I stated "it was too bad they nerfed all of them because of the sabre". I agree it was only the sabre speed that was really out of line. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.01.29 13:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. I agree with your long story. The Sabre was too much of a solo PWNmobile, so CCP nerfed it. Unfortunately, they nerfed all of the instead of just the Saber. Personally I would have let 'Dictors keep their speed and switch the Sabre's bonuses aroud to match the others (i.e. falloff and tracking bonuses for Destroyer skill, explosive missile damage and bubble launcher bonuses for Interdictors skill) and maybe swapped a turret hardpoint for a missile hardpoint. This would have brought it in line with the other 'dictors very nicely and let all of them still function well in small gangs without having to nerf them all. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 29/01/2008 14:04:48 Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: Lyria Skydancer This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. I agree with your long story. The Sabre was too much of a solo PWNmobile, so CCP nerfed it. Unfortunately, they nerfed all of the instead of just the Saber. Personally I would have let 'Dictors keep their speed and switch the Sabre's bonuses aroud to match the others (i.e. falloff and tracking bonuses for Destroyer skill, explosive missile damage and bubble launcher bonuses for Interdictors skill) and maybe swapped a turret hardpoint for a missile hardpoint. This would have brought it in line with the other 'dictors very nicely and let all of them still function well in small gangs without having to nerf them all. Well ccp is a master of the AOE nerf bat. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Donna Divine Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:06:00 - [16] The problem was dictors being too hard to kill. I distinctly remember a stock-fitted sabre with gang bonus doing up to 5+km/s with 3K+ shields. Disregarding lag, there's not much that will kill one in a fleetfight if the pilot plays it smart and streaks/warps in and out constantly. I had alot of fun against ascn doing that a year or so ago. Didn't lose too many sabres either for the damage done by the bubbles. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gilded Goose Brokerages Trading to order.
Greenbolt Minmatar Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.01.29 14:15:00 - [17] Edited by: Greenbolt on 29/01/2008 14:19:03 Edited by: Greenbolt on 29/01/2008 14:15:06 Ive only been playing for 2 years so i cant speak for before then...but ive noticed.. If I see a ship solo Gatecamping or solo PVPing and winning consistantly..then see many people using that ship/setup that it will get nerfed. Not only will it get nerfed as stated..they use the Officer Nerfbat which has nasty area of effect damage. Solo Nano Sabres gatecamping (I ran into them many times) nerfed. (AOE Style). Solo Gate Camping Motherships in Lowsec (Yeah i ran into them more n more often) nerfed. (AOE Style (poor blockade runners vs Hictors) Solo ships or even 2-3 ships using oversized drones (Using release abandon trick) nerfed. (I dont know if bandwith would be a AOE nerf though) I am certain people can add many more examples to this list. Short version..if its too successful or too popular..its gonna get a swing from the nerfbat. People will just have to accept that or move on. Personally..I agree with alot of the nerfing seen if not the AOE side effects (Sabre shoulda been nerfed. it deserved it. others maybe not) and have little pity for those who train for things they should know are gonna get swung at. Sabres still have a place and use. They are not solo I-win buttons anymore for camping 0.0 etc. (Remembered another one: All solo ships fitting 2+ ecm mods when belt pirating got nerfed. (AOE style (ECM fairly useless cept on role specific ships which they then had to boost back up from overnerfage) Dampening recon ships might be another example though im not familiar with them ). shrug. life goes on buy a Hictor until they get nerfed. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?
Semkhet Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.29 15:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Short story: They were making interceptors obsolete. Long story: Even a poly carbed T2 mwd fitted sabre is way too fast. It needed a nerf but as said above, its too bad they nerfed all of them. I know what you sabre lovers want. This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. At this stage I guess we all pretty much know that all you are hoping for is that fast ships get speed nerfed to the point a turtle could compete with a patriot missile...
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.29 16:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Short story: They were making interceptors obsolete. Long story: Even a poly carbed T2 mwd fitted sabre is way too fast. It needed a nerf but as said above, its too bad they nerfed all of them. I know what you sabre lovers want. This isnt about surviving while in fleet or gangs, this is about being able to solo camp random gates and have immunity. Now its a bit harder, get used to it. At this stage I guess we all pretty much know that all you are hoping for is that fast ships get speed nerfed to the point a turtle could compete with a patriot missile... Speed should be balanced and thats what I belive in. I got craploads of polycarbon nano ships but I belive some are too fast and not balanced. You cant be seriously thinking that sabre speeds werent out of line, so why are you putting words in my mouth? You only flew sabres or whats the deal? Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II

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