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DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:44:00 -
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- Is Mittens acting on his own in his crusade against CCP or does everybody in the CSM agree.
- Do you feel the CSM is obsolete? I know you guys have put in a lot of work and I appreciate it, but how do yoiu guys feel about it?
- Why is there so little communication with the community from CCP? I'd rather have a heated discussion with some CCP employees than the total silence we have now. I can't shake the feeling that nobody is allowed to talk about it. (Which is very bad ofc)
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
132
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:22:00 -
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There's no crusade against CCP, there's constant dialog. 90% of it goes wonderfully.
Sometimes there's hiccups, and after attempts at solving the situation peacefully and quietly so that everyone's happy, if we can't reach consensus our job is to tell you "we're trying but we can't seem to agree". That's what's going on. No crusade. And everyone in the CSM agrees with that stance.
The CSM isn't obsolete, as I said 90% of the collaboration with CCP goes very well. Constructive dialog with CCP has never been better, particularly when it comes to specific items (ie, features/changes in development). When it comes to more structural things, we still have progress to make, but we're working on that, as we have been working on getting the dialog over features to work.
Conversations require a mutual understanding, and sometimes that's hard (on both sides). We're filling that gap, or at least trying to. That said, after the initial work, you'll find that devs enter public conversations with the public at large despite the low signal:noise ratio. Check the features & idea subforum where CCP Greyscale has been posting a lot recently.
If conversations get heated they sometimes generate needless drama, hence the efforts in trying to solve things quietly first.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2011.09.07 10:42:00 -
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I like meissa's answers but I'll word it my own way.
Quote: Is Mittens acting on his own in his crusade against CCP or does everybody in the DSM agree.
Absolutely not. We're in constant communication between all members on a persistent Skype channel coordinating, wordsmithing, and brainstorming ways to get our message across in the most effective way possible. Some of you wanted to elect people who they knew would go out there and fight effectively (and not just fiail around impotently) to fix the overall game and that's what we've done, as a team. Mittens actions are support by all of us and his words are usually the product of a lot of editing by the csm as a whole.
Quote: Do you feel the CSM is obsolete? I know you guys have put in a lot of work and I appreciate it, but how do yoiu guys feel about it?
Ask me after we accomplish a thing. I think we've been effective in a great many areas but the proof of it is going to come with change actually occuring. I have reasons to be positive but it's a long road from coming to an understanding with CCP and seeing that bear fruit.
Quote: Why is there so little communication with the community from CCP? I'd rather have a heated discussion with some CCP employees than the total silence we have now. I can't shake the feeling that nobody is allowed to talk about it. (Which is very bad ofc)
A lot of CCP members don't interact with the community. Some do but they tend to get dogpiled when they post. Some do and frankly deserved to get dogpiled for their posting. Ultimately there are a lot of good people in CCP who want to do good logical things but CCP is a business with a hierarchy that isn't always on the same messaging page and when they do speak out the message is sometimes tone deaf and really awkward. I'd personally encourage them to interact as much as possible because that's the only true way to get the pulse of the game you work on but we can be a scary crowd to interact with, especially when things get ugly.
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DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
86
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Posted - 2011.09.07 11:50:00 -
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Thanks for the clear answer.
However if you read this topic 'CSM chair declaring war on CCP, tells players to bring gasoline' you must agree that it looks more like a crusade than like a civil discussion. 
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Trebor Daehdoow
Sane Industries Inc.
80
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Posted - 2011.09.07 12:07:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:
- Is Mittens acting on his own in his crusade against CCP or does everybody in the CSM agree.
- Do you feel the CSM is obsolete? I know you guys have put in a lot of work and I appreciate it, but how do yoiu guys feel about it?
- Why is there so little communication with the community from CCP? I'd rather have a heated discussion with some CCP employees than the total silence we have now. I can't shake the feeling that nobody is allowed to talk about it. (Which is very bad ofc)
Mittens is not on a crusade. The CSM is united as a body, but each of us has our own style of messaging. His is more in tune with his alliance audience, mine is more analytical and dispassionate, for example. But our goals are aligned -- more resources for FiS, fix the long-standing problems in the game, etc.
Part of the whole "CSM is obsolete" thing is that a lot of what we do is under the surface. There is lots of communication between CSM and CCP and internally in CSM about a lot of stuff that never rises to public attention. This is an issue I'm trying to address, but it is in the early stages.
As for comms, first CCP was on vacation, and then they were consumed with release planning. I'm sure once things settle down they'll be back to trolling the community.
CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
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AnzacPaul
Perkone
Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.07 12:47:00 -
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I have a question.
Why are we being forced to use the Captain's Quarters? Many people are not interested in this feature at all. Is it purely to entice people to use the nex store?
The problem with asking a question like this is, you want to ask a crapload more, but most of them answered by CCP get the typical Soon Gäó reply.
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
132
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:06:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:I have a question.
Why are we being forced to use the Captain's Quarters? Many people are not interested in this feature at all. Is it purely to entice people to use the nex store?
The problem with asking a question like this is, you want to ask a crapload more, but most of them answered by CCP get the typical Soon Gäó reply.
It's a combination of factors. The "old" hangar relied on outdated rendering technology CCP is trying to get rid of (and is doing so one bit at a time). Also, a little bird tells me there's concern within some parts of CCP that if they don't make it mandatory, few people will use it and it will be pointed at as another example of failure.
This latter point is something we've tried vehemently to get CCP not to do during CSM 5, but they wouldn't budge. I believe if the feature is compelling enough, people will use it and that's it. Skewing the metrics to show you were right is wrong.
A valid counter point to my own argument that has been made is that people are resistant to change and if you don't put in their face, they'll never try it out when they might have liked it. That's an argument I'm sympathetic with, but is insufficient to justify the end result.
Then performance issues piled on top of it, but that's secondary to the main issue, except insofar as we were promissed we wouldn't be forced into getting into CQ unless the UI became responsive in more or less the same time than it took before (and that's not the case).
You'll get a longer answer to "new hangar" etc. in the minutes when they'll be released.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
34
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Posted - 2011.09.07 14:52:00 -
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Are they aware that a lot of us don't use it anyhow? Even when I had it active, as a rule I'll head to empire on occasion from the hole, pop into a station, buy, sell and leave. The character stands there, never taking a step. There's a lot of us that quite often simply want to get in, get done and get gone.
I can appreciate that they're trying to expand the game into the stations... it's kind of adding an MMO "feel" to it with avatars that will interact. But there should, ideally, be considerations for those that prefer to play the game that exists outside the stations.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
8
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Posted - 2011.09.07 15:03:00 -
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Vile rat wrote: Some of you wanted to elect people who they knew would go out there and fight effectively (and not just fiail around impotently) to fix the overall game and that's what we've done, as a team.
Do you think you are having any success persuading CCP to create a team dedicated to design/balance review? Early on in this CSM, a getting CCP to create a team like this was a major talking point.
Team BFF has done great things from the 'Thousand Papercuts' angle, but there is much more that really needs attention. Many of those problems are likely outside of BFF's control since they are strictly speaking 'working as intended'; the problem being that what used to make good sense when a design was created, doesn't make sense in hindsight or after other game changes.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
110
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Posted - 2011.09.07 15:17:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Vile rat wrote: Some of you wanted to elect people who they knew would go out there and fight effectively (and not just fiail around impotently) to fix the overall game and that's what we've done, as a team. Do you think you are having any success persuading CCP to create a team dedicated to design/balance review? Early on in this CSM, a getting CCP to create a team like this was a major talking point. Team BFF has done great things from the 'Thousand Papercuts' angle, but there is much more that really needs attention. Many of those problems are likely outside of BFF's control since they are strictly speaking 'working as intended'; the problem being that what used to make good sense when a design was created, doesn't make sense in hindsight or after other game changes.
We haven't gotten a whole team, but we did get a dev, CCP Tallest. He posted on the old forums about the Dramiel and Logi ships, and we have been talking to him a lot about how to fix supercaps. We haven't given up on pushing for this, it certainly is needed.
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
What does CSM 6 do? |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
8
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Posted - 2011.09.07 15:56:00 -
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Two step wrote:We haven't gotten a whole team, but we did get a dev, CCP Tallest. He posted on the old forums about the Dramiel and Logi ships, and we have been talking to him a lot about how to fix supercaps. We haven't given up on pushing for this, it certainly is needed.
Getting a Dev is a good start, but it does leave me a bit concerned. Can any one Dev actually have a good understanding of how any one part of Eve interacts with the rest of the game in all of its environments; let alone how all aspects interact with each other?
To use Logis as an example (and I think a simple one), how many of Eve's hardcore gamers actually have a good understanding of how all 4 logis work in small gang, fleet, Empire PvP, WH PvE, and Incursions? If the players that use them day in and day out can't claim to have that level of understanding, how can a single Dev be expected to have it or how long will it take to get it? Without that understanding, there is a good chance that fixing one thing will break something else.
As a more difficult example, make Gallente viable in solo, small gang, and fleet without making them OP. The players that fly them (or fly against them) day in and day out can barely agree what the problem is let alone how best to fix it.
But I digress. Eve is the deepest, most complex game I know of, and it is continually evolving. I hope that CCP doesn't think that any one person can actually hope to balance it; even with the impartial help of unbiased players. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
110
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Posted - 2011.09.07 16:42:00 -
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VaMei wrote:Two step wrote:We haven't gotten a whole team, but we did get a dev, CCP Tallest. He posted on the old forums about the Dramiel and Logi ships, and we have been talking to him a lot about how to fix supercaps. We haven't given up on pushing for this, it certainly is needed. Getting a Dev is a good start, but it does leave me a bit concerned. Can any one Dev actually have a good understanding of how any one part of Eve interacts with the rest of the game in all of its environments; let alone how all aspects interact with each other? To use Logis as an example (and I think a simple one), how many of Eve's hardcore gamers actually have a good understanding of how all 4 logis work in small gang, fleet, Empire PvP, WH PvE, and Incursions? If the players that use them day in and day out can't claim to have that level of understanding, how can a single Dev be expected to have it or how long will it take to get it? Without that understanding, there is a good chance that fixing one thing will break something else. As a more difficult example, make Gallente viable in solo, small gang, and fleet without making them OP. The players that fly them (or fly against them) day in and day out can barely agree what the problem is let alone how best to fix it. But I digress. Eve is the deepest, most complex game I know of, and it is continually evolving. I hope that CCP doesn't think that any one person can actually hope to balance it; even with the impartial help of unbiased players.
Well, the one dev can talk to other devs, as well as to the CSM and to the public (see the feedback thread on the dram/logi on the other forums).
Our basic philosophy on this sort of stuff is that this is why it is important to make balance a continuous process. If balance changes happened every 2 months, making a ship a bit OP for a while is no big deal, it can be fixed in the next patch.
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
What does CSM 6 do? |
Di Mulle
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 17:55:00 -
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Two step wrote:
Our basic philosophy on this sort of stuff is that this is why it is important to make balance a continuous process. If balance changes happened every 2 months, making a ship a bit OP for a while is no big deal, it can be fixed in the next patch.
This was one of the most agreed points through all CSM members (and I totatlly support this).
However, we aren't seeing this implemented so far. One already half-forgotten Tallest devblog with no actions barely counts.
What are, I don't know, organizational, production or simply attitude reasons for that ?
CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
110
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:32:00 -
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Di Mulle wrote:Two step wrote:
Our basic philosophy on this sort of stuff is that this is why it is important to make balance a continuous process. If balance changes happened every 2 months, making a ship a bit OP for a while is no big deal, it can be fixed in the next patch.
This was one of the most agreed points through all CSM members (and I totatlly support this). However, we aren't seeing this implemented so far. One already half-forgotten Tallest devblog with no actions barely counts. What are, I don't know, organizational, production or simply attitude reasons for that ?
This is an area where the CSM/Player communications need to improve. After Tallest's initial batch of changes, he started work on the supercap balance changes. The CSM and a bunch of CCP devs have a 5 page thread on the old forums talking about some of his proposed changes. I think he has a final version of the changes ready for us (and you) to look at, hopefully we will all see that soon.
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
What does CSM 6 do? |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
86
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:40:00 -
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Two step wrote:
This is an area where the CSM/Player communications need to improve. After Tallest's initial batch of changes, he started work on the supercap balance changes. The CSM and a bunch of CCP devs have a 5 page thread on the old forums talking about some of his proposed changes. I think he has a final version of the changes ready for us (and you) to look at, hopefully we will all see that soon.
Just an idea: make the CSM-CC-¿forums readable by everyone. Only CSM and CCP can post (like it is now) but everybody can see what is happening. |
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
132
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Posted - 2011.09.08 07:41:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Two step wrote:
This is an area where the CSM/Player communications need to improve. After Tallest's initial batch of changes, he started work on the supercap balance changes. The CSM and a bunch of CCP devs have a 5 page thread on the old forums talking about some of his proposed changes. I think he has a final version of the changes ready for us (and you) to look at, hopefully we will all see that soon.
Just an idea: make the CSM-CC-¿forums readable by everyone. Only CSM and CCP can post (like it is now) but everybody can see what is happening.
Terrible idea. That forum works because there's a mutual understanding with the CSM and CCP. That comes from having had long interactions with CCP and understanding how they function.
It means that we can argue back and forth openly, without anyone having to fear players would run with "CCP X said ******** thing Y". It also prevents plans/ideas to be taken as promises.
One of the lingering issues with CCP communications is that any statement is taken as a promise, and when CCP fails to deliver the players are up in arms because "they promised".
There's quite a few players who'd be able to read those forums correctly, but I don't think as a whole it would be beneficial in the least.
Member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Vice-Chairman of CSM 6 |
DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
86
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Posted - 2011.09.08 07:49:00 -
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Meissa Anunthiel wrote:There's no crusade against CCP, there's constant dialog.
Update on this: The Mittani Declares War
About the CSM-CCP forums: I gues you are right. However, a bit more communication to the playerbase both from CCP and CSM wouldn't hurt.
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Zagam
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Inc.
66
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:19:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:There's no crusade against CCP, there's constant dialog. Update on this: The Mittani Declares War About the CSM-CCP forums: I gues you are right. However, a bit more communication to the playerbase both from CCP and CSM wouldn't hurt.
Communication from the CSM has been pretty forthcoming, actually. (see: This entire forum) Their biggest impediment to more detailed conversation is the NDA, which not much can be done about.
Communication from CCP hasn't been great, but based on experience from several other MMO (AO, DAOC, FFXI, WoW), there is worse out there.
Of all the things that needs improvement regarding communication, CCP's communication and direct community involvement needs the most help.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
53
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Posted - 2011.09.08 13:45:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:
- Is Mittens acting on his own in his crusade against CCP or does everybody in the CSM agree.
I don't think there is a 'crusade' going on so much as an 'awakening'. That being said, Mittens usually runs his larger statements by the rest of us in order to ensure we all have common ground to stand on if for no other reason than to ensure our overall message is as loud and clear as possible.
Quote: Do you feel the CSM is obsolete? I know you guys have put in a lot of work and I appreciate it, but how do yoiu guys feel about it?
I'm going to agree with what Vile has said - time will tell just how effective we have been. I personally believe this CSM has managed to open doors of communication with CCP that no other CSM has so far. Even amidst all of the DRAMA, there are still cordial exchanges taking place between the CSM and CCP. If nothing else, that alone will make things much easier for future CSM's.
Quote: Why is there so little communication with the community from CCP? I'd rather have a heated discussion with some CCP employees than the total silence we have now. I can't shake the feeling that nobody is allowed to talk about it. (Which is very bad ofc)
I can't really answer that other than to say CCP doesn't really like folks to get into 'headed discussions' on the forums with players very much. 
I've said my bit about the whole mess here in my recent blog post: Reality Check. We're not really aiming to start riots and all that, but I think most players agree that something is wrong with EVE and there's nothing wrong with a concerted effort pointing that out.
Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. |
Dusty Warrior
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.08 15:19:00 -
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So... the rest of you CSM guys are in full support of Mittens eh? Help him in editing his reponses even? That's great!
I find myself wondering if this show of support is because you think everyone has forgotten what an ass Mittens made of himself on the old forums and you think people have forgotten or you just think it's the cool thing to do now.
I remember his self centered vile spewing, meh!
Either way I still support the idea of terminating the CSM as it serves little more purpose than to allow the members to preen in front of a player base.
Some suggestions from the old forums:
1) Terminate CSM - It's apparent by their own admissions from the old forums they have no interest in listening to anyone who didn't vote last election. ( I understand the concept and if this were in a RL situation, however this is not. This is a game in which EVERYONE pays subscriptions to play.) Implement a log-in survey and allow anyone who logs in have a voice.
^*Not sure what the publicity stunt is for and why all the hype after the new forums pop up. I suppose the CSM/CCP is hoping we've forgotten about the abuse with no apology.*^
2) Remove Sov mechanics.
3) Remove any and all CCP employees from the game as players within corps/alliances. Corporate policy should not allow an employee to be a part of the playerbase for reasons we are all aware of, hence the formation of the CSM.
4) CCP, start acting like you are the best. It worked for you for several years and you gave this awesome game life. Now it's time you remove the constraints (CSM) and move forward as you were meant to do.
CCP you created an awesome game, while I do not like the CQ or NEX, your game is still intact. You've got to get rid of the politics though. Lose the CSM and the sov mechanics and you'll be able to go back to spending your money on the things that matter to most of the players.
If you need help cleaning the towers and blockade/sov units etc. I and I'm sure many other carebears are willing to buckle up and fly down to 0.0 to help in the removal process. 
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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.09.08 16:59:00 -
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@csm, are the other racial CQ close to being ready? please dont answer with soon (tm).
are we talking like 1 month? 3 months? 6?
thanks in advance. |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
110
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Posted - 2011.09.08 18:55:00 -
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Haulin Aussie wrote:@csm, are the other racial CQ close to being ready? please dont answer with soon (tm).
are we talking like 1 month? 3 months? 6?
thanks in advance.
This isn't the sort of question we can answer. The dates we have heard have bounced around just like the ones that were made public. You will have to get a CCP dev to give you any sort of firm answer. We did see the other CQs at the emergency summit, and they looked pretty close to done (and a lot better than the Minnie one)
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
What does CSM 6 do? |
Zagam
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Inc.
66
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:21:00 -
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Two step wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:@csm, are the other racial CQ close to being ready? please dont answer with soon (tm).
are we talking like 1 month? 3 months? 6?
thanks in advance. (and a lot better than the Minnie one)
Thats not hard... just have to not rely on duct tape, superglue, and WD-40.
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AnzacPaul
Perkone
Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:20:00 -
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Any progress on summit minutes please? I'd like to see them before my sub runs out. |
Talia Nachtigall
Hidden Souls
5
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Posted - 2011.09.09 21:36:00 -
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@ CSM MEMBERS:
I just finished reading the minute notes. I hope they accurately reflect the meeting. I have a very simple question I am hoping you can assist me with.
CCP has said that ship spinning will be returning at some point in the future. Those words are not only frightening but vague.
Is there any work being done on this front at the moment? Is it a serious priority for CCP to get this feature out? Theoretically - When can we possibly (just an idea - there can be no guarantee's) expect to see it? Would CCP be willing to "tease" it so to speak? I don't care if it's a wire frame but I'd like to see some proof that it is being worked on if possible.
Don't pray for my soul. ;) |
Juil
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2011.09.09 23:55:00 -
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@ CSM.
Glad to see the minutes finally released... even if they do read like a rehash of the dev blog/heavily edited.. surprise surprise.. :(
First off:
1. Why is the pricing section seemingly glossed over a lot of the player base did have very large concerns with the pricing model and yet if the minutes are to be believed you basically where only majorly concerned because things fell 100 AUR above or below the 1 plex mark (my interpritation i admit that). When a lot of ppl where more concerned with the fact that 'Micro' should mean micro ie 1 - 5$ rather then macro 15 - 100$.
2. Why haven't you been vocally pushing for dev blogs etc as CCP promised you and us they would do more of?
3. Why have you stayed silent for 3 months and the majority of you basically ignored players until recently again? (apparently July doesn't exist to a lot of you.. nor the majority of August).
4. Why is it that rather then posting up things your taking to CCP before hand and letting the players know 'hey guys we are planning on talking to CCP about the following, just so you know that we are, and we may NOT be able to say anything later due to the NDA' you instead just go ahead talk about crap and then refuse to tell us what you even brought up and claim the NDA covers it all?
5. Are we going to see more broad talk about fixing ALL of eve rather then just 'Null Sec' ie: Faction Warfare, Making Mining less mind boringly numb, mixing up missions, fixing up cosmos etc. Or is the majority of what we expect to see from you in your dev (Damned you guys became Dev's Doh) ahh.. i mean CSM blogs going to be the same (lack) stuff 'We like ccp, we think ccp is being bad, we love ccp again'?
I know that some of this comes across as anti CSM and I know some ppl think I suck etc.. But at the same point I did vote and while some may think me nieve etc I do think that the CSM can be a lot MORE then it currently is, if it learns to communicate and if it learns to have it's members act like Adults rather then flamming every one who gets pissed at them. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
22
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Posted - 2011.09.09 23:57:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:
- Is Mittens acting on his own in his crusade against CCP or does everybody in the CSM agree.
- Do you feel the CSM is obsolete? I know you guys have put in a lot of work and I appreciate it, but how do yoiu guys feel about it?
- Why is there so little communication with the community from CCP? I'd rather have a heated discussion with some CCP employees than the total silence we have now. I can't shake the feeling that nobody is allowed to talk about it. (Which is very bad ofc)
As other CSM have stated-Mittens is MOST DEFINITELY NOT ALONE, even I agree with what the CSM is doing and many of our public statements/Mittens public statements are worked on by the bopdy of the CSM. Don't tell anyone I said it SHHHHHH but Mittens doing a 'stellar' job as chairman.
The CSM is far from obsolete, in fact the 6th CSM has been (from what I have seen/been told) the most influential yet.
CCP would do well to communicate more with the players, true. And NOT by angry devblogs in the wake of crisis
We recently had meeting with Zulu. Unfortunately I can't discuss for NDA reasons, virtually anything that was said. I am free to say that I think good things are happening.D3 |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
22
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Posted - 2011.09.10 00:16:00 -
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Juil wrote:@ CSM.
Glad to see the minutes finally released... even if they do read like a rehash of the dev blog/heavily edited.. surprise surprise.. :(
First off:
1. Why is the pricing section seemingly glossed over.
2. Why haven't you been vocally pushing for dev blogs etc as CCP promised you and us they would do more of?
3. Why have you stayed silent for 3 months
4. Why is it that rather then posting up things your taking to CCP before hand
5. Are we going to see more broad talk about fixing ALL of eve
I suck etc..
#1 We did our best about Nex items and pricing. You can't fix stupid.
#2 We are, we do, and we want more from CCP on this.
#3 We haven't.Check out the variuos forums, interviews, chats blogs and whatnot-on an individual level, CSM have been vocal. Admittedly there could have been more, but the minutes issue was pretty big and we decided as a group not to sabre rattle prematurely. Even I went along with the decision-despite personally disagreeing with the rest of CSM.
#4 Some topics or generalizations were discussed before hand, many individual CSM's have stated their goals and proposals both pre-election during and after.
#5 YES!!!!!
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AnzacPaul
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.10 00:19:00 -
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Darius III wrote:
We recently had meeting with Zulu. Unfortunately I can't discuss for NDA reasons, virtually anything that was said. I am free to say that I think good things are happening.D3
I hope you are correct. If everything that was claimed to be in the winter expansion is in it, I may reconsider subbing, once the patch hits.
However, I hope that after this meeting is done with, and the minutes are released/devblogs are released post-haste, that we will get more than
"CCP acknowledges that its capsuleers love the FiS aspect of Eve, and we are commited to continuing the development of it in the future"
However I highly doubt we will receive anything more than a "Soon Gäó" statement."
Good luck CSM, though I find it hard to see how you can convince CCP of something that people that work for their company will claim to know much more about. |
Omega Tron
Amarr Mining Inc
Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
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Posted - 2011.09.10 19:50:00 -
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I would like to take up just a bit of space and time here to put forth my thoughts as I have finished reading these pages.
CSM & CCP -- Thank you all for the time, effort and the consideration of the player feelings and thoughts.
I think there is a group of us mostly silient players who do want this MMO to be the greatest and toughest to learn and play on this planet called earth.
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