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Moriarity Kanenald
Pro Synergy ACE WRECKING COMPANY
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Posted - 2012.02.13 08:23:00 -
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I am wondering about the reality behind pod pilot's mortality. Ok they can be killed but they are reborn as it where in a new clone. But is this technology only applicable to when they die in their pods?
Does it apply if say they get shot by their partners? Or run over by a station buggy? I find it all a bit confusing.
regards
Mori |
Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:53:00 -
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Moriarity Kanenald wrote:I am wondering about the reality behind pod pilot's mortality. Ok they can be killed but they are reborn as it where in a new clone. But is this technology only applicable to when they die in their pods?
Does it apply if say they get shot by their partners? Or run over by a station buggy? I find it all a bit confusing.
regards
Mori
From what I understand, the pod carries the neural-mapping technology that takes a "photo" of the pilot's brain activity upon detection of a pod breach. This is then transmitted to their new clone. Without that brain scan, or if the scan is somehow compromised, the clone never receives the data and the pilot's consciousness is destroyed.
Killed outside the pod, the pilot would also die just like anyone else. There are various theories for ways around this, but they are not in practice afaik. There are also "backup" clones for wealthier clients, which have their brain scans updated periodically. When the person dies, their clone is awakened and all memory from the last brain scan until the time of death is lost.
Hope this helps. |
Terazul
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.13 16:57:00 -
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This may be of interest to you - in the Capsuleer AD&D article on Evelopedia:
Quote:The real value in Capsuleer AD&D insurance comes when capsuleers exit their pods and leave behind the capsule's unique cloning technology. While true that a capsuleer who perishes outside his pod can be resurrected through a process called soft-cloning, true death results if the backup clone is also destroyed in the same event, or prior to it. Additionally, soft-cloning is not instantaneous and the capsuleer will lose all memories and experience accrued since the last backup. |
LOL56
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:34:00 -
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Pro tip, don't put all your soft clones in the same statiion. Sincerely, Otro Gariushi |
Mirajane Cromwell
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:22:00 -
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Hmm.. so basically capsuleer can get out of pod, do some bad things inside station, get killed afterwards and then remember nothing about it when the new clone is awakened? |
Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:56:00 -
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Mirajane Cromwell wrote:Hmm.. so basically capsuleer can get out of pod, do some bad things inside station, get killed afterwards and then remember nothing about it when the new clone is awakened?
Might explain the deviancy of capsuleers in the some of the bars I've been in.... The Pod Goo Podcast http://www.podgoo.com
Pod Goo also publishes editorials, guest blogs, and guides for free. -áJust email [email protected] your material. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.13 08:51:00 -
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supposedly the groundpounders in DUST 514 will have access to some kind of clonetech (to explain respawns, i suppose) if they can keep their skills, knowledges then i suppose the same will be able to be translated to a pod pilot.
So in that case if they have a nasty accident in-station then they lose nothing either. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:59:00 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:supposedly the groundpounders in DUST 514 will have access to some kind of clonetech (to explain respawns, i suppose) if they can keep their skills, knowledges then i suppose the same will be able to be translated to a pod pilot.
So in that case if they have a nasty accident in-station then they lose nothing either.
It's entirely different tech, and not likely to be converted for capsuleer use anytime soon. |
Sage Revinour
Border Zone Excursions
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Posted - 2012.03.13 23:23:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote:Moriarity Kanenald wrote:I am wondering about the reality behind pod pilot's mortality. Ok they can be killed but they are reborn as it where in a new clone. But is this technology only applicable to when they die in their pods?
Does it apply if say they get shot by their partners? Or run over by a station buggy? I find it all a bit confusing.
regards
Mori From what I understand, the pod carries the neural-mapping technology that takes a "photo" of the pilot's brain activity upon detection of a pod breach. This is then transmitted to their new clone. Without that brain scan, or if the scan is somehow compromised, the clone never receives the data and the pilot's consciousness is destroyed. Killed outside the pod, the pilot would also die just like anyone else. There are various theories for ways around this, but they are not in practice afaik. There are also "backup" clones for wealthier clients, which have their brain scans updated periodically. When the person dies, their clone is awakened and all memory from the last brain scan until the time of death is lost. Hope this helps.
The first book, The Empyrean Age, contradicts this. Just look at the story woven around the Merchant (was that his nickname)? He died outside pod often and was re-juiced in a new clone. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:38:00 -
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Sage Revinour wrote: The first book, The Empyrean Age, contradicts this. Just look at the story woven around the Merchant (was that his nickname)? He died outside pod often and was re-juiced in a new clone.
The Broker is a special case and a special individual. It is posited by some that he may be a Sleeper, or a Jovian who has mastered infomorph technology..
He is more akin (I think) to the Caldari who uploaded himself into his own computer, only he seems to have the ability to move between mediums at will. And may have multiple clones active simultaneously. I have often wondered if Sansha has embarked on a similar path.. |
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Azalas
Blood Paladins
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Posted - 2012.03.26 05:01:00 -
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Apperently it is VERY expensive to become a pod pilot or you would have had done a service or gain rank with a faction to recieve pod status. Even the rich wouldnt have the isk/resources to buy them pod status.
Dust players will be using another tech which would have a negative effect to the current tech used buy pod pilots so i have read somewhere...
I for one accept the fact that i can fly in space knowing that deaths embrace might be welcoming for a brief moment but not permanaut!!! If im in a station walking about, ill make sure im packing heat and avoid trouble where i go, hiding my pot holes on the of my head and back. Unless though im in a company of a beauty, if she freaks out well... I wont continue how bad that will end for her ;) |
I Accidentally YourShip
Amarrian Parasylum Brushie Brushie Brushie
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:43:00 -
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Azalas wrote:Apperently it is VERY expensive to become a pod pilot or you would have had done a service or gain rank with a faction to recieve pod status. Even the rich wouldnt have the isk/resources to buy them pod status.
Dust players will be using another tech which would have a negative effect to the current tech used by pod pilots so i have read somewhere...
I for one accept the fact that i can fly in space knowing that deaths embrace might be welcoming for a brief moment but not permanaut!!! If im in a station walking about, ill make sure im packing heat and avoid trouble where i go, hiding my pot holes on the back of my head and along my spine. Unless though im in a company of a beauty, if she freaks out well... I wont continue how bad that will end for her ;)
Yeesh, letting just about anyone become a pod pilot these days. The days of prestige seem to be long gone.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:18:00 -
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Mirajane Cromwell wrote:Hmm.. so basically capsuleer can get out of pod, do some bad things inside station, get killed afterwards and then remember nothing about it when the new clone is awakened?
That's it. you still got clones you'll be alright. |
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:53:00 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:supposedly the groundpounders in DUST 514 will have access to some kind of clonetech (to explain respawns, i suppose) if they can keep their skills, knowledges then i suppose the same will be able to be translated to a pod pilot.
So in that case if they have a nasty accident in-station then they lose nothing either.
Actually, from what I gather from reading Templar One, the Dust 514 ground forces have to have cloning facility in close proximity to the battlefield. Unlike the clonign technology afforded to us capsuleers, where we "respawn" clone potentially light years away from our previous location.
As for the OP's question. We only clone when killed from our pods. Clone jumping from a station uses slightly different technology, and is not instantaneous or triggered automatically.
The immortality of ground forces will bring in a new conflict, in my opinion. Capsuleers will see these new Dust 512's as a threat to their supremacy. I can see the old wars (Factions) ending and this new conflict arise. Perhaps not in-game, but it should certainly occur in the fiction of EVE. To join Heimatar Military Industries-á visit website or conatct Bluddwolf in-gamewww.hmi.guildlaunch.com |
MasterChief Justice
nul-li-fy RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:17:00 -
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Quote:As for the OP's question. We only clone when killed from our pods. Clone jumping from a station uses slightly different technology, and is not instantaneous or triggered automatically.
If you had looked at all of the convo you would have Noticed Soft cloning so we can die out of our pods just we loose the memory of it pritty much |
Death Leopard
Rifter Drifters
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Posted - 2012.04.24 22:52:00 -
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Mirajane Cromwell wrote:Hmm.. so basically capsuleer can get out of pod, do some bad things inside station, get killed afterwards and then remember nothing about it when the new clone is awakened?
John Varley's written some great (pre-EVE) SF around this very concept. Several of the stories in his The Barbie Murders collection revolve around cloning, memory recording and memory loss.
Glasshouse by my old schoolmate Charlie Stross also plays tricks with the concept. |
Moriarity Kanenald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.25 17:50:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies folks!! They have all be really helpful. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:31:00 -
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MasterChief Justice wrote:Quote:As for the OP's question. We only clone when killed from our pods. Clone jumping from a station uses slightly different technology, and is not instantaneous or triggered automatically.
If you had looked at all of the convo you would have Noticed Soft cloning so we can die out of our pods just we loose the memory of it pritty much
More specifically, since a soft clone is basically just a normal clone (as we in IRL understand clones), you would lose all memory between the point of the soft clone being made, and the time you died. There is no way to mimic this in game, of course, because there is no mechanical way for you to die outside of your pod. It's just a way we Silly RPers have got around the idea that we can leave our pods, and therefore be killed in an RP sense, but we would really rather not delete our characters (most of the time). |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:36:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:MasterChief Justice wrote:Quote:As for the OP's question. We only clone when killed from our pods. Clone jumping from a station uses slightly different technology, and is not instantaneous or triggered automatically.
If you had looked at all of the convo you would have Noticed Soft cloning so we can die out of our pods just we loose the memory of it pritty much More specifically, since a soft clone is basically just a normal clone (as we in IRL understand clones), you would lose all memory between the point of the soft clone being made, and the time you died. There is no way to mimic this in game, of course, because there is no mechanical way for you to die outside of your pod. It's just a way we Silly RPers have got around the idea that we can leave our pods, and therefore be killed in an RP sense, but we would really rather not delete our characters (most of the time).
It's also a bit of an anti-godmoding thing. |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:45:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:MasterChief Justice wrote:Quote:As for the OP's question. We only clone when killed from our pods. Clone jumping from a station uses slightly different technology, and is not instantaneous or triggered automatically.
If you had looked at all of the convo you would have Noticed Soft cloning so we can die out of our pods just we loose the memory of it pritty much More specifically, since a soft clone is basically just a normal clone (as we in IRL understand clones), you would lose all memory between the point of the soft clone being made, and the time you died. There is no way to mimic this in game, of course, because there is no mechanical way for you to die outside of your pod. It's just a way we Silly RPers have got around the idea that we can leave our pods, and therefore be killed in an RP sense, but we would really rather not delete our characters (most of the time). It's also a bit of an anti-godmoding thing.
Affirmed. It is something which helps people - like me - to not step in the trap of the superheroes/villains which can everything; such a mode becomes boring and predictable in the outcome of events. I for example play sometimes around the idea, that "Yes! We cant die, but hang for the rest of our lifes on a microcontrollers like a zombie."
By the way Tony G had given in the last book the Kingdom the ability to erasing and/or replacement of memories: it goes so far that even in the end just the skills are there.
Death Leopard wrote:John Varley's written some great (pre-EVE) SF around this very concept. Several of the stories in his The Barbie Murders collection revolve around cloning, memory recording and memory loss. Glasshouse by my old schoolmate Charlie Stross also plays tricks with the concept.
Thx for the links.... I was honestly searching for some imputs on that front. |
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Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.06.05 18:22:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Sage Revinour wrote: The first book, The Empyrean Age, contradicts this. Just look at the story woven around the Merchant (was that his nickname)? He died outside pod often and was re-juiced in a new clone.
The Broker is a special case and a special individual. It is posited by some that he may be a Sleeper, or a Jovian who has mastered infomorph technology.. He is more akin (I think) to the Caldari who uploaded himself into his own computer, only he seems to have the ability to move between mediums at will. And may have multiple clones active simultaneously. I have often wondered if Sansha has embarked on a similar path..
Maybe he didn't but... If you look at the very last chapter of the Templar One, you will notice that it's marked as a Sansha POV chapter. Yes, the one where unidentified troops find the Broker tech... |
David Toviyah
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.18 10:09:00 -
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The manga GÇ£AkumetsuGÇ¥ also features cloning technology and there they have access to some nifty headgear that, upon death, destroys the brain (the entire head, actually) and sends the cloneGÇÖs memories to a cloning facility where they can be inserted into a new clone. So maybe for EVE it is just a matter of time until they can also fit the brainscanning tech into a helmet or the like :p |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.06.18 11:12:00 -
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Dusters do have their braiscanning tech plugged into their heads. |
Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:32:00 -
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In EVE's setting, the technology to take the brain scan does potentially exist in portable format. The problem is to decide what signals to use to trigger it. False positives would fry the brain and leave behind healthy bodies (consciousness would transfer alright, but it might get slightly disturbing after a while - as well as expensive). Failing to detect death in time would, on the other hand, possibly lead into insanity, as the subject would remember dying. The scan must, therefore, be done just in time. The capsule solves this, as when the structure (pressure container?) of the capsule is breached, there's no chance of survival any more. (And just to be sure, the capsule kills the occupant right after the brain is scanned.) |
Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:26:00 -
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I figure if someone broke into the captains quarters when they knew a pilot was docking and blasted them in the head just as they stepped out of the pod it would be game over.
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Synthmilk
The United Peoples of Synth
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Posted - 2012.06.25 01:02:00 -
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In regard to the Broker, nothing I have read indicates that the Prime individual gets any of the memories of any of his copies which die, be they in a pod or not. They are simply one-off copies with a specific task to undertake, the Prime individual is the only mind that gets transferred at death or clone jump. |
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