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Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.01.30 17:55:00 - [61] Originally by: Dheorl What if the universe actually just fluctuates? Then I owe my freind a coke. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Imperator Jora'h - The universe is expanding so everything (you know what I mean) will be further away tomorrow than it is today. - If everything is further away in the future it follows everything was closer in the past. - Turn the clock back far enough and eventually everything must be in the same spot (aka the Big Bang Singularity) - Time stops at the singularity...there is no "before" so it is a definitive starting point - Boom Big bang, time moves forward, everything moves apart. Rinse and repeat. What if the universe actually just fluctuates? It used to be considered that the universe did exactly that in a Big Bang/Big Crunch cycle. However the latest measurements seem to indicate the universe will expand forever eventually leading to the heat death of the universe. I preferred the idea of a big crunch renewing cycle myself. Better than the near nothingness the universe seems destined for but no one asked my opinion.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:50:00 - [63] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Imperator Jora'h - The universe is expanding so everything (you know what I mean) will be further away tomorrow than it is today. - If everything is further away in the future it follows everything was closer in the past. - Turn the clock back far enough and eventually everything must be in the same spot (aka the Big Bang Singularity) - Time stops at the singularity...there is no "before" so it is a definitive starting point - Boom Big bang, time moves forward, everything moves apart. Rinse and repeat. What if the universe actually just fluctuates? Read my post - I just said that --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:52:00 - [64] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h It used to be considered that the universe did exactly that in a Big Bang/Big Crunch cycle. However the latest measurements seem to indicate the universe will expand forever eventually leading to the heat death of the universe. I preferred the idea of a big crunch renewing cycle myself. Better than the near nothingness the universe seems destined for but no one asked my opinion. I've always thought that was a rather depressingly bleak outcome as well. Somewhere along the way, reading the kind of sci-fi I like to read, I integrated into my happy outlook a notion: There is a force that will oppose the Second Law, a force that will keep Entropy from having the final say. Life. I think I picked that up from Dan Simmons' Hyperion books. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Tommy I've go' the Scourges son. I thin' it's you wha' sh' b'ave. Wha'? You wa' aa' see 'f I go' tha' minerals?
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:57:00 - [65] Edited by: Sharupak on 30/01/2008 18:57:04 It's ok, we it will still be warm when we die. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.30 18:59:00 - [66] Originally by: Sharupak Edited by: Sharupak on 30/01/2008 18:57:04 It's ok, we it will still be warm when we die. Don't know about you, but I plan on living forever. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:11:00 - [67] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Sharupak Edited by: Sharupak on 30/01/2008 18:57:04 It's ok, we it will still be warm when we die. Don't know about you, but I plan on living forever. Hey, thats your problem and I dont think they have pills for that. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:26:00 - [68] Edited by: Patch86 on 30/01/2008 19:27:04 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h It used to be considered that the universe did exactly that in a Big Bang/Big Crunch cycle. However the latest measurements seem to indicate the universe will expand forever eventually leading to the heat death of the universe. I preferred the idea of a big crunch renewing cycle myself. Better than the near nothingness the universe seems destined for but no one asked my opinion. I've always liked to think of the universe as much like an explosion, like a firecracker. you set off the firecracker and for a very brief moment you get intense heat, noise, light, and bits of casing sprayed everywhere, before it goes cold and quiet again. Now imagine that one of those tiny particles of red-hot firecracker casing is a galaxy, and each of the minuscule sub-atomic particles that make it up are stars, and around each of these sub-atomic particles revolves even smaller particles still, and on one of these sub-sub-atomic particles live billions of living things, each one living for only a billionth of the length of the whole moment-long firecracker explosion. And thats kind like what we are ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:40:00 - [69] Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 30/01/2008 19:27:04 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h It used to be considered that the universe did exactly that in a Big Bang/Big Crunch cycle. However the latest measurements seem to indicate the universe will expand forever eventually leading to the heat death of the universe. I preferred the idea of a big crunch renewing cycle myself. Better than the near nothingness the universe seems destined for but no one asked my opinion. I've always liked to think of the universe as much like an explosion, like a firecracker. you set off the firecracker and for a very brief moment you get intense heat, noise, light, and bits of casing sprayed everywhere, before it goes cold and quiet again. Now imagine that one of those tiny particles of red-hot firecracker casing is a galaxy, and each of the minuscule sub-atomic particles that make it up are stars, and around each of these sub-atomic particles revolves even smaller particles still, and on one of these sub-sub-atomic particles live billions of living things, each one living for only a billionth of the length of the whole moment-long firecracker explosion. And thats kind like what we are You smoke weed too? Actually, I have thought of it similarly and I agree. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Ruciza Minmatar The Feminists	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:57:00 - [70] Edited by: Ruciza on 30/01/2008 20:08:37 First, gravity is not negative energy, it's a force, or a conservative force field in the wider sense. Objects inside this force field can be said to have negative potential energy. 'Negative Energy' is some outlandish hypothetical stuff like 'Negative Matter'. Good in theory, but inconsequential without evidence, just like God. Originally by: Miss Anthropy I have no idea where God came from. The best thing about being a Creationist though is that it doesn't matter where God came from. All you need to know is that this God created the universe we live in. The best thing about being a creationist is to stop thinking then. Good point. Originally by: Miss Anthropy The point is, whether you believe in God or the Big Bang, then both require a degree of blind faith because neither have been emphatically proven to exist. As far as I know (and I'm no expert) the only evidence that implies the Big Bang theory is the constant expansion of the Universe. But since we know so little about the Universe then maybe one day we'll find another reason for this constant expansion. Perhaps it merely looks like expansion when in reality it could probably be something as trivial as Earth's constant orbit making it appear the universe is expanding. But, like I said, I'm not an astrophysicist so I'm just guessing. In other words, you lack scientific education. And you disregard evidence on grounds of "I'm no astrophysicist". Originally by: Miss Anthropy Personally, I've always believed that science and religion can be compatible. Unfortunately, both science and religion are hell bend (excuse the pun) on disproving each other. It isn't compatible at all. The debate is over, God is dead, we killed him hundreds of years ago. Since then - no new arguments. The only one you have left is "you can't prove me wrong." One second of reflection tells you there must be a major fault in there... Originally by: Miss Anthropy Stargate SG1 was very interesting in that it constantly tried to merge science with religion. Who's to say that they might not be far from the truth? Ok, you're right. Forget everything I just said. Jesus was an alien.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Ruciza Originally by: Miss Anthropy I have no idea where God came from. The best thing about being a Creationist though is that it doesn't matter where God came from. All you need to know is that this God created the universe we live in. The best thing about being a creationist is to stop thinking then. Good point. Originally by: Miss Anthropy The point is, whether you believe in God or the Big Bang, then both require a degree of blind faith because neither have been emphatically proven to exist. As far as I know (and I'm no expert) the only evidence that implies the Big Bang theory is the constant expansion of the Universe. But since we know so little about the Universe then maybe one day we'll find another reason for this constant expansion. Perhaps it merely looks like expansion when in reality it could probably be something as trivial as Earth's constant orbit making it appear the universe is expanding. But, like I said, I'm not an astrophysicist so I'm just guessing. In other words, you're ignorant. And you disregard evidence on grounds of "I'm no astrophysicist". Originally by: Miss Anthropy Personally, I've always believed that science and religion can be compatible. Unfortunately, both science and religion are hell bend (excuse the pun) on disproving each other. It isn't compatible at all. The debate is over, God is dead, we killed him hundreds of years ago. Since then - no new arguments. The only one you have left is "you can't prove me wrong." One second of reflection should tell you there must be a major fault in there... Originally by: Miss Anthropy Stargate SG1 was very interesting in that it constantly tried to merge science with religion. Who's to say that they might not be far from the truth? Ok, you're right. Forget everything I just said. Jesus was an alien. Congratulations for being just as dogmatic as the religeon you are trying pathetically to slam. 1. Science and religion used to be the same thing. 2. What we know of the secrets of the Universe is infantesimal! We just figured out that Pluto is not a planet, just another object in the kuiper belt. Scientists are trying theories like Dark Matter and Dark Energy to solve problems like why some galaxies are clumped together instead of the theories even dispersion. Mathmatically, gravity was supposed to overcome the velocity of the big bang but it appears thats not the case so its Dark energy that is speeding the expansion up. Scientists are changing their minds on stuff in the universe on almost a daily basis. To not believe in the big bang does not make you ignorant. Believing in the big bang also does not make you ignorant. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
das licht Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:40:00 - [72] I think that one is a big secret.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:47:00 - [73] Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 30/01/2008 19:27:04 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h It used to be considered that the universe did exactly that in a Big Bang/Big Crunch cycle. However the latest measurements seem to indicate the universe will expand forever eventually leading to the heat death of the universe. I preferred the idea of a big crunch renewing cycle myself. Better than the near nothingness the universe seems destined for but no one asked my opinion. I've always liked to think of the universe as much like an explosion, like a firecracker. you set off the firecracker and for a very brief moment you get intense heat, noise, light, and bits of casing sprayed everywhere, before it goes cold and quiet again. Now imagine that one of those tiny particles of red-hot firecracker casing is a galaxy, and each of the minuscule sub-atomic particles that make it up are stars, and around each of these sub-atomic particles revolves even smaller particles still, and on one of these sub-sub-atomic particles live billions of living things, each one living for only a billionth of the length of the whole moment-long firecracker explosion. And thats kind like what we are This is a nice analogy as long as you remember that the fire****er explodes into surrounding space. For the Big Bang it was space itself that exploded (i.e. it did not explode into* anything). A subtle but important distinction. To extend that idea when people say they cannot point to a spot and say the Big Bang originated there is not entirely correct. It happened everywhere. At some time in the distant past you (or at least what comprises you) and the Andromeda Galaxy (and everything else) were in the same infinitesimal spot.

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