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milllo	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:10:00 - [121] lol after reading this thread I am never leaving the npc corps
Breed Love FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:47:00 - [122] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 03/02/2008 03:36:28 Unfortunately for all you stupid carebears, this has been an exploit since before 2004. GMs can and will lock people into a corp who keep doing this sort of thing to avoid decs. If you don't like non-con PVP, you're playing the wrong game. Perhaps Barbie Online would be more your speed. As much as I hate to admit to a goon being right, he is. The fact is that this was declared an exploit long before most of the characters here were even made. ----- Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
Hexperience Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.04 16:17:00 - [123] Originally by: milllo lol after reading this thread I am never leaving the npc corps It's ok. We'll just flip your cans and probe your missions anyway.
Lelu Tarkenton	Posted - 2008.02.04 16:35:00 - [124] Originally by: Exteerminator If I knew where all the carebears in the game like you lived, I'd be round to your place in a shot with a golf club Well, aren't we the big-pimpin intertube gansta? Wait... Let me guess... IRL you are a 4th degree blackbelt dating a kickboxing supermodel? Keep the RL threats out of the internet space-game please. On point however you are correct, this is an exploit and is petitionable to GM's.
K'dararle	Posted - 2008.02.04 16:51:00 - [125] this thread SOOOOO delivers gotta love a whining pirate thread in crime and punishment
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 08:03:00 - [126] In all fairness, this game does need carebears. Who else will we get that feeling of superiority over by blowing up? (okay yeah goons, but generally carebears say funnier things when you kill them)
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.02.05 08:17:00 - [127] there's a whole lot of in this thread
Viral Effect	Posted - 2008.02.05 11:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Exteerminator If I knew where all the carebears in the game like you lived, I'd be round to your place in a shot with a golf club It wouldn't do you alot of good. Some of the "carebears" as you call them in real life you really dont want to annoy at all.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.05 11:53:00 - [129] Originally by: milllo lol after reading this thread I am never leaving the npc corps Good idea! And in 40 years you'll have more ISK and ships than anyone else in the retirement home. Who'll be laughing then? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Vrabac Amarr BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2008.02.05 11:54:00 - [130] Originally by: brocksamson316 why not leave them alone they obviously do not want to fight, But that's exactly why you DONT leave them alone. This game has trillions of ways of avoiding combat. I frankly dont remember last time I died without looking for trouble in one way or another. Youre in serious danger only if youre dumb or simply lazy, impatient or careless. Adding this kind of nonsense to the list makes things unbearable for someone who gets the fun out of pvp - because he simply cant find it. Whoever doesnt get his fun from it can avoid it so easily it hurts. By way more casual ways. So yes, I'd agree with those saying this is an exploit and I hope the guys in question get punished in one way or another. Got war deced? Hide. Scatter. Leave for npc corp for a while. Pay. Fight back? Ah no, that's something most of such people cant immagine themselves doing. Dock. Do one of the nice and easy ways to avoid being killed. It only takes a spine or half a brain, depending on solution you chose.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.05 15:35:00 - [131] The circle is complete, I let one of the corps lapse on their 2nd corp, they jumped ship immediately to it. I have re-petitioned and am awaiting a response from a GM. Last night was a fun night, the CEO of the mining corp we originally dec'd came out to play along with a few of their friends who war dec'd us in retaliation for dec'ing the mining corp. We had a lovely encounter 6 BS and 2 BC vs 6 BS 1 Force Recon. About as even as you're gonna get for the most part. None of us are even 2yr old characters, some are barely a year old. They had several 3-4 year old players with a bit more pvp experience than us. http://traps.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=2695 It was a great fight, no smack talk at all from either side. So you can definitely get some good fights from dec'ing a "weak defenseless" mining corp.
Exlegion Caldari New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 16:01:00 - [132] Originally by: Natasha Ichida Very well written and long post I wasn't going to post on this thread, mostly because even though I believe the topic in discussion in my eyes is an exploit, I don't sympathize with the OP and his/her agenda. But I just have to add that your post makes lots of sense and I enjoyed reading it. I think I agree with pretty much everything you said. Very nice! One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Nexa Neci5 THE REALLY AWESOME PLAYERS.	Posted - 2008.02.05 18:38:00 - [133] Edited by: Nexa Neci5 on 05/02/2008 18:38:23 Originally by: Nexa Necis The circle is complete, I let one of the corps lapse on their 2nd corp, they jumped ship immediately to it. I have re-petitioned and am awaiting a response from a GM. Last night was a fun night, the CEO of the mining corp we originally dec'd came out to play along with a few of their friends who war dec'd us in retaliation for dec'ing the mining corp. We had a lovely encounter 6 BS and 2 BC vs 6 BS 1 Force Recon. About as even as you're gonna get for the most part. None of us are even 2yr old characters, some are barely a year old. They had several 3-4 year old players with a bit more pvp experience than us. http://traps.griefwatch.net/?p=engagement&kill=2695 It was a great fight, no smack talk at all from either side. So you can definitely get some good fights from dec'ing a "weak defenseless" mining corp. You guys really have a domi fetish.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.05 20:06:00 - [134] Originally by: Nexa Neci5 Edited by: Nexa Neci5 on 05/02/2008 18:38:23 You guys really have a domi fetish. Another weirdo with nothing to do with me and my corp.
Lunabi Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.06 11:48:00 - [135] Ok, where is the offical statement now? CCP, anyone?
Kyoto Luyi Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:26:00 - [136] I didn't know 'pirates' could whine this much - I'm shocked.
Viral Effect	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:32:00 - [137] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi I didn't know 'pirates' could whine this much - I'm shocked. Come on you should know by now that pirates are the biggest whiners.
Durethia Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:02:00 - [138] Edited by: Durethia on 06/02/2008 16:03:33 To the OP. I do not feel this should be an exploit. While it might be frustrating for you, that they are jumping from one corp to the other, it'll soon be more frustrating for them when they realize they need to move on to greener pastures. It'll leave the corp and it's individuals with questionable employment histories, never mind the reason of avoiding PvP. I feel it permanently and publicly harms them more than the temporary and private expense to your wallet.
Iridis Bloodclaw	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:57:00 - [139] Exploit sure. But it gets to the point where it becomes almost impossible to stop. You probably get a little pew pew and then they start up a new corp. You should move on as well. I have a petition that has not been responded too for 3 weeks so add yours to the list and war dec someone else. To change the subject to war dec mining corps. The whole war turns into a big 'who can dock the fastest game'. Maybe we need a dock skill. The bad guys camp station and kill the noobs in frigs and mining ships. But as soon as a ship or ships try and fight back they dock. That is supposed to be fun? So while it might be an exploit you can't really blame them for trying to get some enjoyment out of the game. You should move on and find one of these great awesome pvp mining corps to fight.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:16:00 - [140] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi I didn't know 'pirates' could whine this much - I'm shocked. Heaven forbid something is found to be broken and keeps getting exploited. But thats cool you know making an arguement seem pointless by calling it a whine.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:33:00 - [141] I know what you mean when you say it creates a questionable employment history. TBH, half of the corps I have seen recruit indiscriminately, no questions asked. Along those same lines, to me, when people do this, it shows they obviously care little for the original corp they jumped from. I mean if you're going to leave your corp high and dry when they need you most, and you top it off with a possible exploit of game mechanics, really then, why bother even joining a corp. Anyways, actually the GM's have been in contact with me. Two of them responded to my petition already. My original petition was closed stating they will look into the matter. When they jumped a few more times, I re-petitioned per the GM's instructions. I asked if they could clarify if this was indeed an exploit. They said they have not yet decided if this is an exploit, but they are investigating it and will not close out the petition until they make a decision. Again, I was surprised at the speed they answered both petitions, thankfully they seemed to understand the scenario well enough too. Again, if they say it's fair that's fine, my alts will stay busy dec'ing their corps. If they say it's an exploit then maybe they will join a real corp we can dec. You may not like our reasons for war dec'ing them, you may not like our play style of dec'ing them repeatedly, but you're ok with them possibly exploiting the game. I don't get it.
Iridis Bloodclaw	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:46:00 - [142] Would joining a NPC corp be a exploit? Lets say they close the the switching corp exploit. Then the new practice will be just go back to a npc corp. Also why can't you bribe Concord to end an empire war? If you can bribe them to start one why not bribe to end it. Maybe some kind of bidding war
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:59:00 - [143] Originally by: Iridis Bloodclaw Would joining a NPC corp be a exploit? Lets say they close the the switching corp exploit. Then the new practice will be just go back to a npc corp. No, that's not an exploit, and will never be an exploit. There's nothing 'new' about it either. It happens all the time. The problem with corp jumping like this is that you get the benefits of a PC corp with the immunity of an NPC corp, hence exploit. Originally by: Iridis Bloodclaw Also why can't you bribe Concord to end an empire war? If you can bribe them to start one why not bribe to end it. Maybe some kind of bidding war If you have to ask that question you haven't thought it through properly. Think then post. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Iridis Bloodclaw	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:03:00 - [144] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Iridis Bloodclaw Would joining a NPC corp be a exploit? Lets say they close the the switching corp exploit. Then the new practice will be just go back to a npc corp. No, that's not an exploit, and will never be an exploit. There's nothing 'new' about it either. It happens all the time. The problem with corp jumping like this is that you get the benefits of a PC corp with the immunity of an NPC corp, hence exploit. Originally by: Iridis Bloodclaw Also why can't you bribe Concord to end an empire war? If you can bribe them to start one why not bribe to end it. Maybe some kind of bidding war If you have to ask that question you haven't thought it through properly. Think then post. Heaven forbid I make light of something. But anyways empire wars is hard work. Your going to waste some isk trying to track someone down. Because they have options. Might be an exploit but so is selling isk for cash and I see tons of that.
Noodle Pastaman	Posted - 2008.02.06 22:25:00 - [145] The whole 'its possible to do but its an exploit if you do it' just shows how badly the concept of empire wars has been implemented' I can assure you if CCP removed all war decs, the number of people who would be unhappy and whine about this would be greatly outnumbered by the vast majorify of people who live in high sec and have zero interest in pvp
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:22:00 - [146] Originally by: Noodle Pastaman The whole 'its possible to do but its an exploit if you do it' just shows how badly the concept of empire wars has been implemented' I can assure you if CCP removed all war decs, the number of people who would be unhappy and whine about this would be greatly outnumbered by the vast majorify of people who live in high sec and have zero interest in pvp Nope. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Jeht Jahgooar	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:45:00 - [147] Originally by: Noodle Pastaman I can assure you if CCP removed all war decs, the number of people who would be unhappy and whine about this would be greatly outnumbered by the vast majorify of people who live in high sec and have zero interest in pvp Your dream of living in a war dec free high sec is already perfectly matched by belonging to a NPC corp. Join up now, they are always recruiting. One other benefit you might have overlooked! You never have to worry about corp theft in a NPC Corp!
delta phi Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:47:00 - [148] tbph i think war decing some one everytime they change corps is harrasment and you should get petitioned. shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more.shoot anyone asking stupid f***ing questions.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:58:00 - [149] Originally by: delta phi tbph i think war decing some one everytime they change corps is harrasment and you should get petitioned. I've been petitioned plenty for it and fortunately for me, CCP has told many a carebear it's completely legal to dec them over and over and over and over. I get threatened with "omg i r petition j00" at least once a month if not more over the last 18 months and never once has a GM said we are doing anything wrong. I have even sent in petitions to get a GM response, to make sure my corp is playing by CCP rules and have been told specifically that yes we are. I also love the fact that you have no idea what these people are doing to garner such attention. How do you know they haven't personally insulted me, or stolen from my corp? Maybe they deserve to be dec'd. Maybe we were hired to put them out of commission? Maybe I just like war dec'ing random people to make their life in Eve a living hell? Maybe all of those reasons? The tunnel vision of carebears never ceases to amaze me.
Arctur Ceti	Posted - 2008.02.07 00:06:00 - [150] Edited by: Arctur Ceti on 07/02/2008 00:07:51 Edited by: Arctur Ceti on 07/02/2008 00:06:17 Originally by: Nexa Necis Originally by: delta phi tbph i think war decing some one everytime they change corps is harrasment and you should get petitioned. I've been petitioned plenty for it and fortunately for me, CCP has told many a carebear it's completely legal to dec them over and over and over and over. I get threatened with "omg i r petition j00" at least once a month if not more over the last 18 months and never once has a GM said we are doing anything wrong. I have even sent in petitions to get a GM response, to make sure my corp is playing by CCP rules and have been told specifically that yes we are. I also love the fact that you have no idea what these people are doing to garner such attention. How do you know they haven't personally insulted me, or stolen from my corp? Maybe they deserve to be dec'd. Maybe we were hired to put them out of commission? Maybe I just like war dec'ing random people to make their life in Eve a living hell? Maybe all of those reasons? The tunnel vision of carebears never ceases to amaze me. Yet when a carebear "harrasses" you by trying to avoid your insistance in griefing them you come to the forums to whine . Really, how different are you from them? You're just looking for the technicality of the issue to be on your side. But you're worse than they are.

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