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2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:49:00 -
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I don't get it, players and candidates are pissed off about breaking the NDA? |

2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:02:00 -
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Darius III wrote:2bhammered wrote:I don't get it, players and candidates are pissed off about breaking the NDA? They are perhaps MORE mad that there was never an NDA leak at all. Lyris Nairn wrote: not everyone who is in goon fleet hates you just the important dudes. Silly, there Are No "Important Goons"
Well as a simple player, I don't care for NDA and such things. I love getting spoiled. Maybe I miss something, I just don't get why anyone but CCP themselves would care about NDA? |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:05:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Darius III wrote:They are perhaps MORE mad that there was never an NDA leak at all
There's no disputing that you violated the NDA. You were just lucky enough that CCP didn't care about what you leaked and they wanted to avoid the negative publicity. The fact that they are allowing both people involved in the breach to run for the next CSM reflects rather poorly on them, however.
Why, man I am so confused now, well I was not here for any of it and don't know any of the politics going on, but why would we gamers care about an NDA? Is this anger result of fandom of some kind? |

2bhammered
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:12:00 -
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Well if people just hate him based on not keeping some NDA from us and stuff then I'd rather vote for him than the others. Unless CSM is another word for CCP employee guarding their interests while the CSM says "We ehm they got cool stuff coming but I can't talk about it, please keep subscribing". Or am I confused as to what is going on?
I just never heard of the phenomena about gamers being so concerned with NDA and stuff. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:20:00 -
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rodyas wrote:2bhammered wrote:Well if people just hate him based on not keeping some NDA from us and stuff then I'd rather vote for him than the others. Unless CSM is another word for CCP employee guarding their interests while the CSM says "We ehm they got cool stuff coming but I can't talk about it, please keep subscribing". Or am I confused as to what is going on?
I just never heard of the phenomena about gamers being so concerned with NDA and stuff. CSM started as a bone thrown to the players from CCP. Us players crave the bone thrown to us and desire to bite it immensely. Darius breaking rules others had to follow and still being able to bite of the bone and slobber on it, pisses off the other CSM and some players. The bone might not attract you or maybe it does. But be warned its the only bone you will get, so choose wisely.
I don't get it So he broke NDA or not, whatever but for the sake of argument he did, to us gamers, right? And the other CSM are angry because breaking an NDA could hurt CCP because of competition? Or... I need a smoke now
I mean I can see why CCP would be mad, not why gamers would, perhaps the other CSM but gamers??? really??? |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:40:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:2bhammered wrote:I don't get it  So he broke NDA or not, whatever but for the sake of argument he did, to us gamers, right? And the other CSM are angry because breaking an NDA could hurt CCP because of competition? Or... I need a smoke now  The CSM system works because the people involved are able to have discussions away from public scrutiny. In these discussions they can talk openly about the benefits or detriments of some pretty far reaching ideas without having to justify positions taken or just playing to hypotheticals. When a member of the CSM delegation leaks internal chatlogs that have been understood to be NDA protected, they breach the trust of not only the fellow CSM and CCP Development teams that work in the channel, but also with the players who count on the CSM to have those conversations in a productive manner. D3 broke that trust. While the leak wasn't 'core' NDA material and CCP chose to disregard it as an NDA violation because they were already looking pretty bad and the riots were just around the corner, it doesn't mean that D3 didn't break that trust. Our job as constituents is to remind future voters that the candidate has a record of poor performance. Coupled with the report of another CSM that he's largely been an absentee representative, the hope is that he doesn't wind up sapping votes away from other viable candidates who would be better suited to represent player interests and maintain adherence to the NDA.
But that argument is the same one made for the Bilderberg group where the richest and most influential people and leaders from all over the world meets to discuss, stuff without any form of insight. I am not some conspiracy nut but I think it is my right to know what is being said in those meetings, to be honest I am just curious and want gossips 
Now CCP is a private company so I don't have that right at all. But... what is CSM good for then? If they are an extension of CCP why should any gamers give a rats ass about it?
So they make promises and we have elections for them to meet CCP and talk about ?? We have no idea. It is like voting for a congress that do not have to disclose their actions or stance or even votes and stuff or?
Basically, we vote for people to become CCP employees? What function do they serve?
Bah, this whole CSM stuff seems to be dumber and dumber the more I learn about it.
/sigh
Please tell me I am wrong and why, or I will cast my vote to darius! |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:43:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member. Being a CSM who never participated and was largely AWOL for the vast majority of his term is a bigger reason to not consider him.
Ok finally someone who speaks with reason then. To me NDA is a company thing, not something I care for as a gamer, I'd rather have more insight than less into what CSM and CCP does than the opposite.
So you are saying Darius never did a good job basically? |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:49:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:2bhammered wrote:Please tell me I am wrong and why, or I will cast my to darius! Easy peasy: Let's say you wanted to discuss changing wardec mechanics. 5 devs and 7 CSM sit down and start talking. They go over existing mechanics and throw out some wild ideas about changes that could be made. if there are 12 people in the room, the conversation can be fairly productive as long as you've got decent leaders keeping everyone on topic. Now, try to have that same conversation in an arena with 500 people observing who can throw their opinions in at any time and realistically, no one to control the mob. Which group gets more work done?
Yeah but during the meeting those 500 people are not there and those that do attend the meeting should be able to handle the pressure and publicity afterwards not to mention knowing that what they say will be scrutinized. If they can't then they are worse than the random youtube video blogger. Meaning, they don't deserve my vote. Their position comes with the price of sticking ones neck out there, in return they get a lot we don't. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:53:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:2bhammered wrote:Vile rat wrote:Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member. Being a CSM who never participated and was largely AWOL for the vast majority of his term is a bigger reason to not consider him. Ok finally someone who speaks with reason then. To me NDA is a company thing, not something I care for as a gamer, I'd rather have more insight than less into what CSM and CCP does than the opposite. So you are saying Darius never did a good job basically? Good job implies 'job' which means something was done be it good or bad.
So he did nothing?
Hmm, who to vote for... first xarius or whatever turns out to be a possible child predator, the other goon lady wont answer my questions and darius does not work, some are care-bears...
What is your stance on low-sec? |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:14:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:2bhammered wrote:Yeah but during the meeting those 500 people are not there and those that do attend the meeting should be able to handle the pressure and publicity afterwards not to mention knowing that what they say will be scrutinized. If they can't then they are worse than the random youtube video blogger. Meaning, they don't deserve my vote. Their position comes with the price of sticking ones neck out there, in return they get a lot we don't. That's what the meeting minutes that get published are for. Discussion happens outside of the two regular meetings as well. Leaking information is detrimental to the process because everyone has to stop and damage control, which is what happened when his leak was reported, also evident in the 'fearless' newsletter bit from last summer. Honestly though, the bigger issue is two CSMs pointing out in this thread that D3 basically did nothing this term, which means he's not likely to do much next term either.
How is it bad and detrimental? Like I said, if they can't handle it don't run for office. Perhaps you can elaborate on what bad has come of this breaking of the NDA and the consequences?
Now, does someone know of a candidate that will advocate the removal of the local, as in local chat showing all players in a system and not just those that chat. I hate it, I hate it, I can't believe we still have it 5 years later after my campaigning to remove the crap
Thus far no candidate have given me an answer on this. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:16:00 -
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rodyas wrote:2bhammered wrote:Vile rat wrote:Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member. Being a CSM who never participated and was largely AWOL for the vast majority of his term is a bigger reason to not consider him. Ok finally someone who speaks with reason then. To me NDA is a company thing, not something I care for as a gamer, I'd rather have more insight than less into what CSM and CCP does than the opposite. So you are saying Darius never did a good job basically? Yeah as a gamer, some people do take the game serious, as in knowing what the next flavor of the month ship is early on and training for it would give it an unfair edge. Or if you are industrial knowing of future changes to game mechanics or ships and building them early for many profits. If you dont mind other players getting unfair advantages over you breaking the NDA doesnt matter at all. Just some people hate seeing people make ISK too easy and get ahead too easy, so they dont like it when the NDA is broken. Companies dont like breaking NDA cause they lose money and subscribers maybe. Players hate breaking NDA since other players will have an unfair advantage and get ahead to easily.
Not if we all get the info, or do you think the CSMs don't tell their friends within corp/alliance over TS etc? RIGHT! |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:27:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Vile rat wrote:Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member. Being a CSM who never participated and was largely AWOL for the vast majority of his term is a bigger reason to not consider him. Spread lies, it is the only recourse you have. Of course I cant defend myself by posting my many suggestions made in the official forums.Future CSM members will be able to see through your cheap veneer of lies and slander. Lets talk about poor performance. You failed to show at the most important summit, then made poor excuses about it. Unfortunately what you say about me being largely absent is not true. Unfortunately, I cannot link my posts made as CSM that prove just how active I was during that time. With over 120 suggestions made, and some of them implemented as current gameplay, I feel just fine about my level of participation as CSM member. Regarding the NDA: It is a very important agreement that allows CCP to speak to the CSM about future developments that can not, and should not, be made public until they have been flushed out. There was never an NDA breach, not "an insignificant breach." The fact that Test and GSF have a CTA to post on my candidacy forum post tells just how important it is for them to try and spread their hate and tell lies in my campaign thread. Fact is, the CSM don't like me because I was the only one not permanently lodged in the end organ of Mittani's digestive system. The same Mittani who wrongfully excluded me from the Skype discussion and removed me from said discussion three times without cause. Clearly a vote for Darius III is a vote against Mittani and the rest of the establishment. 2bhammered wrote:
What is your stance on low-sec?
I think that Lowsec should should get the most love of any segment in Eve. I have a few hundred kills there-and it is a bad place. I did write about lowsec getting a buff via the new deadspace Invuls, but it way too little, way too late. I think Supercarriers and Titans should be nerfed in Low security space. I think that Fighter Bombers and Titan guns shouldnt be able to fire in Lowsec, or NPC nullsec for that matter. Supercapital proliferation has excluded most small and mid-sized alliances from having much of a chance in nullsec, which is a shame.
Nice,now you got my interest! Let's talk, I love low-sec, former pirate corp leader, pirate alliance FC and it was my best times in EVE. 0.0 and empire bore me to death but have their place and roles same with worm-holes. My biggest issue is low-sec is just filler space between empire and 0.0 Now coupled with bad market, ****** mining, no reason to mission, bad market and only NPC stations, all activity centered around choke point gates with dead space etc. I am unhappy to say the least. There need to be more reason for care-bears to visit as well as people to live there and make it their home.
Right now either stay in empire and make sick amount of ISK or move to 0.0 and make sick amount of ISK. I want love for low-sec, I want it to be a place one dares to risk going to even to mine because it is in ones interest while not be as dangerous and alliance centered/forced as 0.0 is, but not 100% safe as empire pretty much is. Empire should just be market and enough ISK for someone licking their wounds or to prepare for low-sec and or 0.0 and to travel through, a newbie zone!
I also agree on your points by the way.
I had a thread awhile ago in general about boring PVP. I feel pvp is more boring today than 5 years ago. Solo and small gangs are almost dead and or useless, not enough random battles either. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:37:00 -
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Interesting development, but I will support whomever will advocate making low-sec as viable as other parts of EVE.
Now is there one candidate out there willing to push for the removal of local chat?? As in displaying all who are in system. If there is they got my support* |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:49:00 -
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Doctor Eezee wrote:2bhammered wrote:Interesting development, but I will support whomever will advocate making low-sec as viable as other parts of EVE.
Now is there one candidate out there willing to push for the removal of local chat?? As in displaying all who are in system. If there is they got my support* While I don't think there is a candidate who wants to remove of local outright, Elise Randolph has some ideas to mitigate the problem.
Somewhat close to where I stand but 15-30 sec delay for showing up in local is not near good enough. It needs to go away and I have given it considerable thought over many years on this and every time I end up with the conclusion that more is gained by removing it than lost. Having local the way it is today would be as if WoW PVP server would have it or other MMOs. It is kinda funny that EVE Online, the pvp game and the game known for hardcore gaming has a tool anyone can use without penalty to be able to have more safety than in WoW on a PVP realm.
Can I accept perhaps and allow alliances to have a local working the way it does today if in a system where they have sovereignty, yes. Consider it a perk and reward for taking and defending it. Empire has no reason for it, even during war between corps and alliances. In many ways, the strongest and griefers benefit more from having local than the little guy. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:53:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:2bhammered wrote:Interesting development, but I will support whomever will advocate making low-sec as viable as other parts of EVE.
Now is there one candidate out there willing to push for the removal of local chat?? As in displaying all who are in system. If there is they got my support* There is also a guy from NOIR running, who's wanting to improve small gang PVP etc. He might be more up your street.
I don't know NOIR, have a link to the guys thread? |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:58:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:2bhammered wrote:Not if we all get the info, or do you think the CSMs don't tell their friends within corp/alliance over TS etc? RIGHT!  Neither The Mittani or Vile Rat leaked NDA protected information in even private channels that I'm in with them. In fact more often than not they refused to speak even broadly on a topic for fear that it would approach NDA limits too closely.
I'll believe it when I see a change in fleet doctrine that would affect those alliances adversely  |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:11:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:2bhammered wrote:I'll believe it when I see a change in fleet doctrine that would affect those alliances adversely  Man I'd love to see somebody break our fleet doctrine which is "a bunch of one kind of ship mostly". I totally agree that this is an unhealthy direction eve took a long time ago but it's going to take redesigning the combat engine for this to really be fixed properly.
It will? Sure? I mean balancing would help a lot. But maybe you are right.
Question is, who is willing to push for that change after having thousands of people train for a specific ship and fit just in order to be most effective and qualify for ship replacement program and entry to fleet.
I have a hard time believing any alliance leader would dare doing that. Or if he would that one would not prepare his alliance for that change in any way he can get away with.
But I digress, I want a candidate who wants to make low-sec more viable than empire and yet different than 0.0 but worth it as"endgame" (for lack of a better word, since this is EVE.)
And for the love of god, is there no candidate who realize and wants local removed and fracking gone already? Or did the rest of my lobby group leave years ago. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:17:00 -
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Pirating use to mean something and it was both fun and viable. It also made game more balanced and diverse. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:29:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:2bhammered wrote:Question is, who is willing to push for that change after having thousands of people train for a specific ship and fit just in order to be most effective and qualify for ship replacement program and entry to fleet.
I have a hard time believing any alliance leader would dare doing that. Or if he would that one would not prepare his alliance for that change in any way he can get away with. We did that. If you look at our Delve-era videos and propaganda, we were using Apocs almost exclusively. Now we use Maelstroms and Drakes. Before both of those we favored Rokhs/Megathrons. Alliances adapt. Quote:But I digress, I want a candidate who wants to make low-sec more viable than empire and yet different than 0.0 but worth it as"endgame" (for lack of a better word, since this is EVE.)
And for the love of god, is there no candidate who realize and wants local removed and fracking gone already? Or did the rest of my lobby group leave years ago. Local is gone in wormholes. There's also a lot of non-consentual PVP that goes on there. It may be a better fit for you than lowsec. That said, mittens did pitch an idea for a lowsec revamp a few years ago at EVE Vegas. He wrote about it in one of his early blogs: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/67950/page/3
Ok, fair enough on first reply. I was not aware of that and credit is due when deserved so, respect! 
As for the second part, why was it dropped and let go? 5 years ago I was part of a lobby fighting for it, we got some support even had a delay for awhile if I remember right, then it was over, it was not removed in the end, I and others quit, played other games, here I am and it is still in-game... sad.
Wormhole, weeee, if anything that should now be the model for the rest of the game. Instead of some thing on the side. |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:40:00 -
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Now what about policy making?? I want answers!!
Or will I have to buy a candidate to push for removal of local and proper low-sec love? |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:57:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:2bhammered wrote:Now what about policy making?? I want answers!!
Or will I have to buy a candidate to push for removal of local and proper low-sec love? Elise is the only candidate to come out with a solid idea for changes to local thus far. Most know that it's a pipe dream to think that it'll be removed completely. If you want that sort of gameplay, go wormholin'.
Pipe dream, bah, what is the fracking point for having it, I have never heard a good argument for keeping this crap. So sick of mechanics like this.. local with map with scanner and probes and intel and gates with activation and cloak, no wonder PVP is in the state it is. Boring! |

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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:58:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Darius III wrote: Arenas: I would like to see CCP add an arena feature. Gimme back my Darius III ! Where is the real ~Darius~ ?
I have also lobbied for arena play ever since 2006. I have also not heard of a good argument against it. Do you hate alliance tournaments as well? |
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