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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:57:00 -
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Let's look at the benefits of this shall we?
. No one will have to deal with the repetitiveness and boredom of mining or mission running
. Any cheaters who bot will no longer have an advantage over honest players who want to play the game normally
. CCP make more money from bot accounts being made
. CCP can properly regulate bots and go after illegal ISK sellers since they will have more support
. People can code their own bots and put it out for free, CCP devs could also code some standard ones for people
. No one will really feel the need to buy ISK anymore because they can play EVE way more casually and not have to stare at a computer screen for hours to make sure they don't die while making ISK
. Very little of the game would need to be changed to accommodate people who can't be bothered spending months of their lives grinding for something that isn't even going to get them anything in real life i.e. people who have lives
. CCP can focus more on adding stuff in the game and improving the gameplay rather than catching bots constantly, it will save them a lot of money
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Daeva Teresa
Viziam Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:09:00 -
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And plex market will die. All players who live from buying plexes will leave. Market will colapse - nothing will have any real value and no one will buy your's loot or minerals.
Well I hope you meaned this as a joke because no sane person could mean this for real.
Add: And CCP have small division to deal with bots, they are NOT focusing on to deal with them. |

Twisted Trucker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:12:00 -
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Uhmm, NO!
NEXT! |

Valei Khurelem
303
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:16:00 -
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Twisted Trucker wrote:Uhmm, YES!
NEXT!
fixt, because I like doing this more rather than trying to seriously respond to you people anymore.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
5
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:21:00 -
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Daeva Teresa wrote:And plex market will die. All players who live from buying plexes will leave. Market will colapse - nothing will have any real value and no one will buy your's loot or minerals.
Well I hope you meaned this as a joke because no sane person could mean this for real.
Add: And CCP have small division to deal with bots, they are NOT focusing on to deal with them.
What he said.
Botting is bad, mkay.
And anyway, if you're grinding you're doing it wrong. I don't mean if you're doing something repetitive, I mean if you're doing something repetitive, monotonous and completely devoid of fun. Every person has their own definition of what that is. For me it's rinse/repeat missions but some people love that.
If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.
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Valei Khurelem
303
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:25:00 -
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Quote: If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.
Well done for finally getting what I've been saying about EVE Online and all games like it.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Manuel Diaz
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
6
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:29:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.
Well done for finally getting what I've been saying about EVE Online and all games like it. Take your own advise, stop playing Eve.
I also feel obliged to leave the standard "can I have your stuff", but after reading your posts that probably amounts to T1 missioning ships and a hulk. |

Griptus
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
7
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:31:00 -
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It's a good idea. Most rpgs offer some level of automation, whether it's higherable npcs who assist you in doing menial tasks or who do menial tasks entirely on their own. I'm surprised CCP still hasn't implemented something in that department.
The impetus for players to employ bots in the first place is that mining and missions don't yield enough in-game money for the time you spend doing it. I have a hulk with t2 strippers, t2 crystals, and max out mining skills and still I can't get more than about 1.5 million ISK per hour mining high sec ores, and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe. At that rate, it takes about 20 hours to raise the 30 million isk it costs to replace a battlecruiser and, if you only have 2 hours a day to play Eve, it take about a week and a half.
But I suspect that this is by design. CCP wants us to give up and buy in-game money through trading PLEX, which is the most expensive way to sub. |

Manuel Diaz
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
6
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:35:00 -
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Griptus wrote:It's a good idea. Most rpgs offer some level of automation, whether it's higherable npcs who assist you in doing menial tasks or who do menial tasks entirely on their own. I'm surprised CCP still hasn't implemented something in that department.
The impetus for players to employ bots in the first place is that mining and missions don't yield enough in-game money for the time you spend doing it. I have a hulk with t2 strippers, t2 crystals, and max out mining skills and still I can't get more than about 1.5 million ISK per hour mining high sec ores, and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe. At that rate, it takes about 20 hours to raise the 30 million isk it costs to replace a battlecruiser and, if you only have 2 hours a day to play Eve, it's take about a week and a half.
But I suspect that this is by design. CCP wants us to give up and buy in-game money through trading PLEX, which is the most expensive way to sub. Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.
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Griptus
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
7
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:40:00 -
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Manuel Diaz wrote: Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.
Griptus wrote: ...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.
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ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:49:00 -
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I feel like I'm looking at an RL "Legalize Marij-uana" argument. You have the guy who comes in saying "Legalize it!" and announcing all of the benefits it has and pointing out the lack of real detriments. Then you have all the anti-legalization people who come in repeating what they read online, regardless of any real factual evidence to back it up, and get huffy at the idea of someone actually wanting it to be legalized. Then the topic moves on and it is still illegal.
Keep fighting, bro! Down with the system! Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1046
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:51:00 -
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Botting is ruining EvE. To let it continue or to even sanction it in any way will only ruin EvE more. This is not an argument you will ever win. It is simply not possible. Give up now.
/thread. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:53:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Botting is ruining EvE. To let it continue or to even sanction it in any way will only ruin EvE more. This is not an argument you will ever win. It is simply not possible. Give up now.
/thread.
People have lost lives over it! There's no real proof, but I'm telling you it's tru-... oh wait, wrong topic. Sorry, yours sounded so similar. ^_^ Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |

Valei Khurelem
303
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:57:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Botting is ruining EvE. To let it continue or to even sanction it in any way will only ruin EvE more. This is not an argument you will ever win. It is simply not possible. Give up now.
/thread.
Bet you this thread is going to go on several pages regardless of what you have to say :P
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Velicitia
Open Designs
581
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:12:00 -
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Griptus wrote:Manuel Diaz wrote: Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.
Griptus wrote: ...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.
1. get friends 2. get them to help guard a system. 3. go into said system and do whatever.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7296
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:17:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Twisted Trucker wrote:Uhmm, NO!
NEXT! fixt, because I like doing this more rather than trying to seriously respond to you people anymore. You actually expected a serious response to this idea?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:36:00 -
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Botting is practically legal already. CCP only punish the bots that people complain about, and even then they handle it on a three strikes system with temporary bans.
CCP doesn't want to hunt and ban botters because they pay a subscritpion either directly or by consuming PLEX. As long as you only use them to pay for your horribly overpowered supercapital and don't RMT the isk, they really don't care. |

Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
54
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:06:00 -
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Griptus wrote:Manuel Diaz wrote: Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.
Griptus wrote: ...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.
Then don't play EVE. There are games with virtually no penalty when you die like... almost any other MMO on the market. But I understand why you want bots, mining can be tolerated only for so long
And it takes about 15-30 minutes - depending on your fleet - to earn 30M which is a cost of a battlecruiser in incursions, with virtually zero risk.
@OP
No... if you don't wanna play the game well don't play, but bots wont play the game for you. |

Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
66
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:29:00 -
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ILikeMarkets wrote:I feel like I'm looking at an RL "Legalize Marij-uana" argument. You have the guy who comes in saying "Legalize it!" and announcing all of the benefits it has and pointing out the lack of real detriments. Then you have all the anti-legalization people who come in repeating what they read online, regardless of any real factual evidence to back it up, and get huffy at the idea of someone actually wanting it to be legalized. Then the topic moves on and it is still illegal.
Keep fighting, bro! Down with the system! I feel CCP should legalize Marij-uana inside the game, at least.
Compared to the dangerous side effects from drinking Quafe, weed is completely safe.
FIX THIS!
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:45:00 -
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If you want to quote yourself, read on...
Manuel Diaz wrote: Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.
Griptus wrote: ...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.
Aqriue wrote:Get the f*ck out of a hulk. Problem solved.
No mining vessel, no need to mine, run missions, at least those ship skills are useful in other endevours of EVE. Worst ******* ship in the game, all barges/exhumers should be removed...whoever the **** wants to tie themselves down like a goat to an asteroid belt and just die for someone else's entertainment is a moron.
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Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
144
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:05:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Get the f*ck out of a hulk. Problem solved.
No mining vessel, no need to mine, run missions, at least those ship skills are useful in other endevours of EVE. Worst ******* ship in the game, all barges/exhumers should be removed...whoever the **** wants to tie themselves down like a goat to an asteroid belt and just die for someone else's entertainment is a moron. True dat Although I'm still a firm believer that mining in null sec isn't that bad, you just need sov and a relatively large alliance to do it. If CCP could buff ninja mining or mining that didn't require AFKing for hours that would be cool.
Nikk Narrel wrote:I feel CCP should legalize Marij-uana inside the game, at least. Compared to the dangerous side effects from drinking Quafe, weed is completely safe. FIX THIS!  This thread is now about weed as an in game item.
Possible Side Effects:
- Your character temporarily forgets very important skills.
- Whilst under it's effects your ship must constantly be stocked with food stuffs and cigarettes, or your character will get grumpy and refuse to leave station.
- Everything on screen suddenly looks at least 20% more pretty and full of wonder.
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KiLLerSpyder
Chaotic Tranquility
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:11:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Let's look at the benefits of this shall we?
. No one will have to deal with the repetitiveness and boredom of mining or mission running
. Any cheaters who bot will no longer have an advantage over honest players who want to play the game normally
. CCP make more money from bot accounts being made
. CCP can properly regulate bots and go after illegal ISK sellers since they will have more support
. People can code their own bots and put it out for free, CCP devs could also code some standard ones for people
. No one will really feel the need to buy ISK anymore because they can play EVE way more casually and not have to stare at a computer screen for hours to make sure they don't die while making ISK
. Very little of the game would need to be changed to accommodate people who can't be bothered spending months of their lives grinding for something that isn't even going to get them anything in real life i.e. people who have lives
. CCP can focus more on adding stuff in the game and improving the gameplay rather than catching bots constantly, it will save them a lot of money
This is nothing but laziness, play a game without playing a game! I dont get it, I want to earn the money without doing the work, I bet youre one of those kind of guys that go to work and stay on a break all day long! Not meaning to be rude but this is kinda the same thing, you want it handed to you as oppose to doing the work
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Valei Khurelem
305
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:25:00 -
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Laziness? In a video game? *gasp* *SHOCK*
..... You mean?!
Someone actually wants to have fun in one after paying money to a games company?!
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7317
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:38:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Laziness? In a video game? *gasp* *SHOCK*
..... You mean?!
Someone actually wants to have fun in one after paying money to a games company?! Because bots are all about fun?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
146
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:42:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Laziness? In a video game? *gasp* *SHOCK*
..... You mean?!
Someone actually wants to have fun in one after paying money to a games company?! If you aren't enjoying Eve, then go and play an easier game that you might actually enjoy. I've heard that hello kitty online is not only awesome, but also free to play.
In the mean time, while you download the hello kitty client, please don't ruin Eve for the rest of us. |

Screenlag
Beyond The Gates The Methodical Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 18:33:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: . No one will really feel the need to buy ISK anymore because they can play EVE way more casually and not have to stare at a computer screen for hours to make sure they don't die while making ISK
2/10
for making me read to that points. Stopped reading there, I should've stopped sooner. I hope you do realize the massive inflation this will have, and two hours of grinding isk manually will equal a week's worth of time in afk grinding if everyone does it. |

Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
66
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Posted - 2012.02.13 18:57:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Aqriue wrote:Get the f*ck out of a hulk. Problem solved.
No mining vessel, no need to mine, run missions, at least those ship skills are useful in other endevours of EVE. Worst ******* ship in the game, all barges/exhumers should be removed...whoever the **** wants to tie themselves down like a goat to an asteroid belt and just die for someone else's entertainment is a moron. True dat  Although I'm still a firm believer that mining in null sec isn't that bad, you just need sov and a relatively large alliance to do it. If CCP could buff ninja mining or mining that didn't require AFKing for hours that would be cool. Nikk Narrel wrote:I feel CCP should legalize Marij-uana inside the game, at least. Compared to the dangerous side effects from drinking Quafe, weed is completely safe. FIX THIS!  This thread is now about weed as an in game item. Possible Side Effects:
- Your character temporarily forgets very important skills.
- Whilst under it's effects your ship must constantly be stocked with food stuffs and cigarettes, or your character will get grumpy and refuse to leave station.
- Everything on screen suddenly looks at least 20% more pretty and full of wonder.
AWESOME!!
I would so love that, we could do Stoner Roams, and it would be really cool...
Fleet Commander 1: Wait... what do you mean I am outta missiles, no way dude! Wait... can I load some of this kernite stuff into a jet can, and throw that at em?
Fleet Commander 2: Dude, we must not be fighting, they shipped us some ore just now.... Uh, what do we give em in exchange... anyone got extra missiles or something? |

Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects Scelus Sceleris.
67
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Posted - 2012.02.13 19:43:00 -
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Um... In before this thread is locked for trolling. Botting would discourage those who play on a laptop that moves with them (can't bot 23/7 like most would); it would disadvantage those without their own computer or those with limited bandwith; it would also make ISK meaningless once and for all, and would destroy the game.
Hmmm, let's have a game where all the rewards you get come from leaving your computer on all day while you're at work, you come home and can now buy anything you want, because your bot has been farming incursions for you.
Please biomass yourself immediately after you send me your ISK and contract me your stuff. |

Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2012.02.13 19:46:00 -
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I recommend the OP try Progress Quest. |

Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
66
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:08:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:I recommend the OP try Progress Quest. I let that thing run for days, I think it was 10 years ago. I forget the details, but it was at goofy sounding gear, like phased plasma forcefield sword of doom, or something. |
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