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Helfix
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.30 23:29:00 -
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Here is the problem.
Since the new patch came out I seem to be running really hot... graph card comes to 90 Celsius yeah thats rite...
I have good cooling in my system and never had this problem before.. Another thing is after I switched to classical from premium the problem went away??
Could there have been something in new patch that is causing problems with Premium??
Any help would be appriciated
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Skyslider
Gallente
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.31 00:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Helfix
Since the new patch came out I seem to be running really hot... graph card comes to 90 Celsius yeah thats rite...
If you are using an Nvidia 7950 GX2, there is an issue where it fails to step up the fan speed. You will want to get ntune and manually set your fan speeds to 100%.
The reason you would see this now is that shaders are now being used, and they are a major chunk of circuitry on the card that otherwise isn't in use.
Even if you don't have an Nvidia card, try forcing your GPU fans to 100% and see if that helps. Otherwise, try cleaning out your case and checking for any ribbon cables blocking your vents.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.31 10:18:00 -
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You could also try enabling the advanced video settings and selecting interval=1. This will limit the frame rate to that of your display so that your video card doesn't work harder than it needs to. Also open your case and check that all fans are running.
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:17:00 -
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Assuming you arn't using the aforementioned card it's just the data flow.
Ctrl+f shows your fps, fly around in space it's fine, dock up or fly around alon it goes through the roof. Permium gives you card alot more work, reducing the fps therefore reducing the daft amount of data going though, i still hit 180fps when im alone in warp though.
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True Neros
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Posted - 2008.01.31 22:56:00 -
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90C on graphic card is not that bad, maximum safe temperature is 120C, at 125C most cards will start reducing frequency.
Anyway, if u want to minimize the load on graphic card, enable vertical sync in driver. This way, the framerate will be limited to refresh value (eq 60FPS for 60Hz wich is more than enough).
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.01 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 01/02/2008 10:55:52
Originally by: achoura
Assuming you arn't using the aforementioned card it's just the data flow.
Ctrl+f shows your fps, fly around in space it's fine, dock up or fly around alon it goes through the roof. Permium gives you card alot more work, reducing the fps therefore reducing the daft amount of data going though, i still hit 180fps when im alone in warp though.
Not if you set interval=1 (which means the frames are tied to V-Sync). If you're using an LCD monitor there is no good reason not to use this. You won't get any tearing or flickering like you might with a CRT. All it does is stops your card generating 180 frames per second only to have 75% of them discarded.
No-one needs more than about 35fps (other than for e-peen stroking) and setting a top rate of 60fps is ample. It should also (I assume) improve overall UI response a little by reducing CPU<->GFX communication.
Given the way that the UI slows down in tandem with the graphics there must still be a lot of interaction taking place.
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Bambi
Existentialist Collective
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Posted - 2008.02.01 12:07:00 -
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I have had this problem with my ATI x1650 card, the fan speed seems to be set to a low speed bu default until the GPU hits about 90 degrees. Setting the fan speed to 100% with ATI Tray Tools seems to drop my GPU temp to around 70 degrees from 90.
As to limiting your top end FPS, I couldn't agree more, you find me anyone with eyes that can detect the difference between 60 and 100 FPS and I'll eat my PC. Also if your monitor only has a refresh rate of 85Hz where do these extra FPS get displayed? I get 180 FPS in EVE!! (When the screen is black)
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.02.01 14:09:00 -
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Actually there's a very good reason for not using vsync thanks to it's very nature, the second a sinlg frame goes under 59 it gimps it horribly making it useless in places like jita or anywhere you've got alot going on, like missions, fleets, pos sieges etc.
This has also been the case for years, dig back on this forum and you'll find more than a handful of players stating eve's damaging their cards thanks to the stupid fps in stations. A large portion of games on the market cap the fps for this very reason, ccp haven't manage to implement this despite it being apparent for years but you shouldn't expect that much from a company that's worked so closly with nvidia the past year and never managed to put aa in either.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.02.01 14:52:00 -
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I don't see how v-sync makes bad things...
I didn't have issues when I went into heavy environments where my fps dropped under the v-sync cap...
I played some fleet fights with v-sync and it was not worse than other people.
I went to jita with v-sync and displaying the ships wasn't an issue, just the lag for my warp & dock command... Well, it's jita...
So, you should consider using v-sync, it's better than having 90ŚC.
Even if GPUs temperature cap is very high, sometimes they crash under the temperature cap (even the temperatures shown as yellow and not red in nvidia tools), I don't know why, I don't care too much why, I just cool them down and it never crashes.
Someone said ntune can help, yest it can. Configure the fan speed to be higher all the time and at 100% over 70ŚC, it should be better. And the fan doesn't need to stop when the card is cool, just slowing down is better, or you'll get annoying noise of fan starting and stoping.
Also, setting a temperature where there is a big jump in the fan speed causes the fan to accelerate, cool down the GPU to the target value, then it slows down and then accelerates, it is a very annoying noise... Well, test values so this annoying thing doesn't happen.
After ntune settings, you can go clean your case, check the airflow inside and see if your graphic card fan ever sees fresh air to help cooling.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.01 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 01/02/2008 15:35:33
Edited by: Andrue on 01/02/2008 15:29:11
Originally by: achoura
Actually there's a very good reason for not using vsync thanks to it's very nature, the second a sinlg frame goes under 59 it gimps it horribly making it useless in places like jita or anywhere you've got alot going on, like missions, fleets, pos sieges etc.
I'm guessing that what you meant to post was the issue that arises if a frame takes longer than the v-sync period (ie;longer than 1/160th of a second) to generate. If the card insists on waiting for the next v-sync before starting the next frame it could waste time and in the worst case nearly halve the frame rate.
I suppose it depends whether vsync is detected asynchronously and just sets a flag for the driver code. If so then when the current frame is finally complete the driver checks the flag and seeing that it's set it just goes straight onto the next frame. In effect if the GFX card can't generate frames fast enough it ends up running at interval immediate anyway. I only changed my setting last month and I've only been to Jita once but it seemed no worse than normal. I've run a lot of missions with clouds in and my FPS just dropped gradually down to around 30 like it always did.
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This has also been the case for years, dig back on this forum and you'll find more than a handful of players stating eve's damaging their cards thanks to the stupid fps in stations.
If the card is properly installed and configured it should not be damaged. It will waste electricity and generate unwelcome fan noise (which is why I changed mine) but if it gets damaged it's down to the user or the manufacturer to resolve.
As for CCP - the only way they can resolve it is to use v-sync. Reacting to temperature issues would be very difficult for them (they didn't design the hardware so how can they know what is safe). Even knowing that the card is getting too hot is no use. How much slower should they render frames?
CCP give us the option to use v-sync and there should not be (and is not as far as I can tell) any reason not to use it in Eve. Now if Eve were a first person shooter or twitch based game I'd recommend v-sync off and hope your card can take it. vsync does effectively gimp your ability to see and respond to truly fast events.
But Eve doesn't have such events. Being a fraction of a second behind the action is largely irrelevant. In fights client/server lag will dwarf any minor frame rendering lag.
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Helfix
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:18:00 -
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The graphics card I am using is a EVGA 256mb 7600GT.
I think I might of have ruled it down to one problem which is mainly the air... Maybe it's a bit too hot up here. I am on the 2nd floor hence our heat travels from bottom up and it gets pretty hot here... But still I never had this problem as I played Tranq... only after the last patch.
I pop'ed the window next to the comp air went directly to the case... yes the temperature idles between 55-70 (70 representing running two eve clients).
I also cranked the GPU'S fan up to 75% of max fan speed. 100% seems bit drastic might cause shorter life in the card?
That also helped keeping the temp in the range I just mentioned.
My Options:
1).Now... I tried looking for the prefs.ini to modify it but I could not find it. I looked under the eve folder.. apparently either missing it or so blind that I can't see it?? I tried looking around forums apparently from other peoples posts it's under the "CACHE" folder in the Eve Folder... but I don't have that heh.
2).Also other options would be buy another fan, well not the computer fan but a real fan and direct it at the case 
3). Keep trying to have the findow open till summer comes and you kick in the AC
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Trelborne
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Posted - 2008.02.14 00:13:00 -
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You've just made my day mate :-)
Bought a new box, and to cut a long story short, Eve runs at a ridiculous FPS - >200 in station and >100 out of station. At 200+ (and somewhat at 100+) my card was emitting a godawful whine... and now... its gone.
/me passes virtual pint of Guiness over to Andrue....
Nice one.
Originally by: Andrue
You could also try enabling the advanced video settings and selecting interval=1. This will limit the frame rate to that of your display so that your video card doesn't work harder than it needs to. Also open your case and check that all fans are running.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Helfix
I also cranked the GPU'S fan up to 75% of max fan speed. 100% seems bit drastic might cause shorter life in the card?
It's mostly for the noise that you don't want it!
If it was designed properly, 100% in inside the specifications so it should not die. In facts, this fan may not have received the design attention it needed and will cause horrible noise and die faster at 100%.
Just keep in mind that if the card dies of overheating, you'll have to buy a new one, but if the fan ever fails, you will be able to buy a replacement for the cooling system that will for sure be much better than the old one!
Originally by: Helfix
That also helped keeping the temp in the range I just mentioned.
This will increase your graphics card lifetime. Properly cooled electronics is always better.
Originally by: Helfix
My Options:
1).Now... I tried looking for the prefs.ini to modify it but I could not find it. I looked under the eve folder.. apparently either missing it or so blind that I can't see it?? I tried looking around forums apparently from other peoples posts it's under the "CACHE" folder in the Eve Folder... but I don't have that heh.
It's not here...
It's in a CCP folder in documents & settings folder. Just run a search there, it may be a hidden folder, you may have to ckeck the box to search hidden and inside hidden folders.
Originally by: Helfix
2).Also other options would be buy another fan, well not the computer fan but a real fan and direct it at the case
Airflows in stadard ATX cases are from front to the back.
So, a fan that is in the outside->inside way in the front of the case and then the power supply in the back does inside->outside, and you should have a fan under the power supply that does inside->outside too. You can add one mode in the left case panel under the placement of the graphic card to give is much fresh air, but this last fan usually causes much dust to get stuck everywhere in the case even with some filter over it, and you'll have to clean the heat sinks and fans of everything more often.
Also, look if there is a filter on your front panel fan, if not, you'll have more cleaning to do too.
And a dust-covered fan just means no air, it's just easier to clean the filters than all the stuff inside!
Originally by: Helfix
3). Keep trying to have the findow open till summer comes and you kick in the AC
Don't catch a cold for your computer!
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