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Delthus The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Malaphar Erm...what is Scapa Flow? What happened there? nothing happened its just where england based there fleet out of during ww 1 and 2 and they had a few battle ships sunk in there by the germans besides that nothign signifiant happened there it was just a naval station
Terror Rising Death Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:46:00 - [32] Actually Molle said once ... I will try and find it ... That the origional members of BOB (The only ones that would stay) would do a last stand in NOL and everything would be thrown at the invaders.. Lets see if he keeps that word..
x racer Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:46:00 - [33] Edited by: x racer on 31/01/2008 13:48:36 Scapa Flow is where the last event of WW1 occurred. German Rear Adm. Ludwig von Reuter gave the command to scuttle the captured German fleet instead of letting the fleet be turned over to the British as prizes of war negotiated at the Treaty of Versailles which was signed just days later. Its considered the last significant event of WW1. Wikipedia-Scapa Flow People are trying to make the analogie that BoB will scuttle their fleet as well, instead of being captured by the invading masses. *But, but, but, DB Preacher told me there are* no goons!**
Yonker The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:03:00 - [34] All of the major fights thus far have been sub-capital fights. The only time I've seen a BoB capital was in QY6 6-6 POS where we bubbled them in their own shields and tried to bump them out for a bit. There was a carrier playing undock games in PR- also... but I don't think that counts. No Titans. No Motherships. Guess they don't really want these systems anyway.
DrkReaper Caldari Old Timers Guild Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Rikkta OK Here is my point. BOB's cap fleet--hundreds of well equipped carriers, MOMs, dreads, and titans... Will there be a cataclismic capital ship battle--the last battle so to speak, or will BOB have their own Skapa Flow in some forgot corner of Delve? Real life references removed. Navigator are you thinking that bob will send there fleet to a system turn them into tourist attractions and then scuttle them ..only to have them all salvaged by goons ..is that what you are getting at
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Rikkta OK Here is my point. BOB's cap fleet--hundreds of well equipped carriers, MOMs, dreads, and titans... Will there be a cataclismic capital ship battle--the last battle so to speak, or will BOB have their own Skapa Flow in some forgot corner of Delve? Real life references removed. Navigator Amazingly enough the german high fleet couldn't dock in an npc station, cloak or indeed log out. This is of course why they lost the war as the royal navy had developed all these skills ages before, allong with log-in traps. seriously though, wtf does WW! have to do with eve??
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Doc Punkiller Originally by: Meja Originally by: Asterixm Originally by: Rikkta Will there be a cataclismic capital ship battle--the last battle so to speak, or will BOB have their own Skapa Flow in some forgot corner of Delve? They will propably self destruct their cap fleet folowing RKK ceo in this way. like colsup you mean? no. more like "22:31:49 Notify Archon belonging to Galavet self-destructs." Win. *** Evolution ends in Extinction. -- Cippalippus Primus
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Dr Smythe why do u people keep referring to EvE in RL contexts? Pixels for sale anyone? Funny when you killed Cyvok you hear shrike screeming for cyvoks pixel corpse and when you guys are losing ground its just pixels you are losing no big deal ---------------------------------------------
Omeega UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Meja Edited by: Meja on 31/01/2008 12:06:01 Originally by: Doc Punkiller no. more like "22:31:49 Notify Archon belonging to Galavet self-destructs." you know the drill? proof or stfu Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:54:00 - [40] ^^^^^bad poster ---
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:20:00 - [41] Scapa Flow was a base. Nothing particularly epic happened there. Most attacks of german force on the home fleet on both wars where rather pathetic results. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
titanstory Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Meja Edited by: Meja on 31/01/2008 12:06:01 Originally by: Doc Punkiller no. more like "22:31:49 Notify Archon belonging to Galavet self-destructs." you know the drill? proof or stfu edit : got a proof, like colsup then, great well ok i proof that for you ;) 2008.01.30 22:32 Victim: blackout04 Alliance: Tau Ceti Federation Corp: Aeden Destroyed: Ishkur System: QY6-RK Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 2543 Involved parties: Name: Galavet (laid the final blow) Security: 0.0 Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Reikoku Ship: Archon Weapon: Large Proton Smartbomb I Damage Done: 2543 3minutes after kaboom 2008.01.30 22:35 Victim: Galavet Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Reikoku Destroyed: Capsule System: QY6-RK Security: 0.0 Damage Taken: 430
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:38:00 - [43] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 31/01/2008 17:38:09 scapa flow = this how? what a ******** thread. Stop posting.
Dray Caldari Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:04:00 - [44] Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 31/01/2008 17:38:09 scapa flow = this how? what a ******** thread. Stop posting. dito tbh, comparing eve to real life is like comparing spanners to kippers, its all a case of which is tastier.....
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Thargat Edited by: Thargat on 31/01/2008 12:21:12 Actually... this whole episode reminds me a bit of something from history class though I can't recall what. The russians with support of huge manpower grinding in from the east. The allies from the first conflict standing on the borders in the north (should be north west but it's close enough) And a former ally in the South letting the hostiles march in. Their leaders sitting in a bunker somewhere rambling about how the entire world is against them. oh and btw: I watched the movie "Downfall" recently ;p That's actually a fairly astute observation. I chuckle when I see people rail against drawing RL comparisons to in-game politics and occurances--- as if it was impossible for apt comparisons. Humans made this game. Humans play it...kinda like RL. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Keflin Geard The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:20:00 - [46] Oh nooes! the ewoks are revolting! - Empires rise and fall. And rise. (except the south).
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:06:00 - [47] What fool would make a final stand in a back end system against overwhelming odds losing their ships like water with no hope of victory? Oh wait...
fugazii Deep Space Productions Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Dr Smythe why do u people keep referring to EvE in RL contexts? Pixels for sale anyone? for the same reason someone can compare 2 different countries, theyre different in many ways however shaped by the same species and both exist in the same worldly realm. eve exists in this world and has similarities to other things that have happened in this world. just because they are 2 different things one with real impact and another that is a simulation doesnt change the fact that both are shaped by the same species,...a species that tends to repeat itself. the second you spend a second in the game, that game has a real life impact on you, and anyone who is in direct contact with you, which in turn has an impact on everyone that has direct contact with those who you have direct contact with. dont get me wrong, i know the difference between rl and a game, however to say that real life context in a program that is shaped by people in the real life is bad, is just a shielded delusion to keep yourself exited from something you cannot escape,...real life. oh, and game pixels are for sale and its a multi-billion dollar industry. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Elizabeth Fallbrook GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Asterixm They will propably self destruct their cap fleet folowing RKK ceo in this way. reikkoku, more like sepukku, am i rite?
Junkie Beverage GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 20:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Elizabeth Fallbrook Originally by: Asterixm They will propably self destruct their cap fleet folowing RKK ceo in this way. reikkoku, more like sepukku, am i rite? and i was like dayum
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 21:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Dr Smythe why do u people keep referring to EvE in RL contexts? Pixels for sale anyone? Because many fancy themselves as history majors and betray how little they understand or know it. Also, they tend to forget that this ain't real and that BoB and their allies are just other gamers who play this game for kicks like the rest of us do. This no great crusade, nobody is really evil, and "IF" they lose, which is not a done deal by far, there is be another set of "bad guys" to deal with and the whole damn thing starts over again. I hath spoke! Hooch ps I think you want to use Juttland over a single UBoat attack as an example. Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 22:00:00 - [52] I'm going to be the first person to self destruct a titan on TQ. You heard it here first. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
ezraniel Caldari An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.31 22:01:00 - [53] Is it me, or the longer this war goes on the more nutjobs come crawling out the woodwork?
Hie Loe Gallente Intergalactic Science LLC	Posted - 2008.01.31 22:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Scapa Flow was a base. Nothing particularly epic happened there. Most attacks of german force on the home fleet on both wars where rather pathetic results. Wow, y'all really don't know your history. In World War I, it was where the High Seas Fleet, which had sailed there under flag of truce while the armistice negotiations were underway, scuttled rather than surrender. The crews had basically mutinied, because of conditions in the fleet as well as the nascent socialist revolution back home. The British wanted to open fire on the sinking ships because they considered the self destruction a hostile act. In World War II, early in the war, Gunther Prien sailed his U-Boat in to Scapa Flow under the noses of the british fleet, put enough torpedoes in to the Royal Oak to sink her, and sailed right back out. Balls the size of grapefruit, had Gunther. Scapa Flow, nothing much happened there. Sheesh. HL I want a better signature.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.31 22:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Dianabolic I'm going to be the first person to self destruct a titan on TQ. You heard it here first. Nahh, I hear goons will do that first. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.31 23:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Dianabolic I'm going to be the first person to self destruct a titan on TQ. You heard it here first. Nahh, I hear goons will do that first. No, goon spies will do it first. :GIA:
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.02.01 00:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Dianabolic I'm going to be the first person to self destruct a titan on TQ. You heard it here first. After loosing credit when you are speaking about mind control, territory superiority, you will loose any credibility for all your "our k/d ratio..." stuff. Do as you want... 2isk
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Fade to Black Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.01 01:43:00 - [58] I'm reminded of the British submarine commander who operated in the black sea in WW1. He launched his torps at ships but if the missed he would swim out through the torpedo tubes grab the torp and swim back with it load it back onboard and try it again with a different ship. only when he was finally out of ammo would he sail home. Nothing to do with anything in eve, but its still a great story. Much like scapa flow I guess. And the Titanic. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.01 01:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Dianabolic I'm going to be the first person to self destruct a titan on TQ. You heard it here first. I like how we conquer our enemies in game, on CAOD, and in the ***ty memes they use. ~^-We control your life-^*~
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.01 01:52:00 - [60] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Dr Smythe why do u people keep referring to EvE in RL contexts? Pixels for sale anyone? Because many fancy themselves as history majors and betray how little they understand or know it. Also, they tend to forget that this ain't real and that BoB and their allies are just other gamers who play this game for kicks like the rest of us do. This no great crusade, nobody is really evil, and "IF" they lose, which is not a done deal by far, there is be another set of "bad guys" to deal with and the whole damn thing starts over again. I hath spoke! Hooch ps I think you want to use Juttland over a single UBoat attack as an example. All true....but it is still possible to draw apt comparisons between in-game occurances and events in real-world history. Motivations and consequences are likely to be vastly different for obvious reasons, but many of the same forces will drive both. It's still humanity pulling the strings and pressing the buttons in either case. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli

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