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kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:18:00 - [1] Just a thought as there so cheap and barely a sole uses them, Wondered why the Gallente drones were the highest dps drones and not the Amarr ones, since its only with a bonus blasters do more dmg and Amarr have the high base dmg. Shouldnt it be (dmg wise) Amarr Gallente Caldari Minmatar. Makes sense to me at least.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.31 12:21:00 - [2] eh.. .noone would use gallente drones like that, since they are the slowest of them all. --- planetary interaction idea!
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Grimpak eh.. .noone would use gallente drones like that, since they are the slowest of them all. They have the least tracking as well. The amarr drones are the oddballs, really. Such a small damage modifier... I think to boost them they should be given the most hitpoints of all drones. That would make Gallente: most damage Minmatar: highest tracking Caldari: overall average stats Amarr: most durable
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:25:00 - [4] Originally by: kessah Wondered why the Gallente drones were the highest dps drones and not the Amarr ones, since its only with a bonus blasters do more dmg and Amarr have the high base dmg. Probably because you are wrong and actually blasters have higher base damage. Maxed skills: Mega Pulse Laser 2 with AN MF - 55 dps Electron Blaster Cannon 2 with CN AM - 57 dps Neutron Blaster Cannon 2 with CN AM - 65 dps This is the old "build in dmg mod" myth that gets repeated over and over again. Of course its different with beams which do have a higher base dmg. Em drones do suck though.
Wardeneo Gallente N.E.O NEW EVE ORDER Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:31:00 - [5] Originally by: kessah Just a thought as there so cheap and barely a sole uses them, Wondered why the Gallente drones were the highest dps drones and not the Amarr ones, since its only with a bonus blasters do more dmg and Amarr have the high base dmg. Shouldnt it be (dmg wise) Amarr Gallente Caldari Minmatar. Makes sense to me at least. gellente drones are the highest dps drones because of 1 reason, gellente are the main drone using race and 2 not have the best drone wud be weird dont u think, personally im bored of gellent, and i use some minie and caldar ships but i need challenge and i think ammar wud help me LOL wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Janu Hull on 31/01/2008 14:48:13 Edited by: Janu Hull on 31/01/2008 14:47:51 Originally by: kessah Just a thought as there so cheap and barely a sole uses them, Wondered why the Gallente drones were the highest dps drones and not the Amarr ones, since its only with a bonus blasters do more dmg and Amarr have the high base dmg. Shouldnt it be (dmg wise) Amarr Gallente Caldari Minmatar. Makes sense to me at least. If you mean PvP use, all the DPS in the world won't help them. Even with the coming nerf to armor resists, they still have to punch through the highest base resist in the most often used form of PvP tank. They're great for PvE when you have EM vulnerable targets, though, so its not like they don't have a role to play. I swear by Acolyte IIs in Sansha country, they push my Drake's DPS up near Raven levels. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:49:00 - [7] not particularly good arguments agaisnt it imho. Gallente are the drone race? ok, doesnt mean they need to highest dps drones, they could have the higher tracking, range etc. Built in dmg modifer for gallente drones becus of the myth of 'built in dmg mod' well ok then give the amarr drones larger opt then, because they orbit at the same distance, make your point of paper dps kinda insufficient an argument. Because you can hit out to 25km easy with Mega pulse, CCP have always jusitfied Amarr with no dmg bonuses because they have a built in one, its there excuse for the Apoc, if they still stand by this, prove it and make the Praetors, inflitrators and acolytes the harder hitting drones.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:55:00 - [8] Originally by: kessah not particularly good arguments agaisnt it imho. Gallente are the drone race? ok, doesnt mean they need to highest dps drones, they could have the higher tracking, range etc. Built in dmg modifer for gallente drones becus of the myth of 'built in dmg mod' well ok then give the amarr drones larger opt then, because they orbit at the same distance, make your point of paper dps kinda insufficient an argument. Because you can hit out to 25km easy with Mega pulse, CCP have always jusitfied Amarr with no dmg bonuses because they have a built in one, its there excuse for the Apoc, if they still stand by this, prove it and make the Praetors, inflitrators and acolytes the harder hitting drones. there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones no one makes u to use emp drones on amarr ships looking on your arguments i may say that emp missiles should do more damage tho
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:55:00 - [9] Originally by: kessah Just a thought as there so cheap and barely a sole uses them, Wondered why the Gallente drones were the highest dps drones and not the Amarr ones, since its only with a bonus blasters do more dmg and Amarr have the high base dmg. Shouldnt it be (dmg wise) Amarr Gallente Caldari Minmatar. Makes sense to me at least. Why is this miss-conception that Amarr have more base damage still alive? base ammo damage is the same for hybrids and lasers (blasters have a higher damage mod than pulses) And tachyons (THE ONLY GUN THIS "HIGH BASE DAMAGE" MYTH APPLIES TOO)(sorry for caps) is a size over 425mm rails, just look at the fitting on those, and a rail-user still have only marginaly less dps, but more range to make up for it. It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions!
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.01.31 14:55:00 - [10] Originally by: kessah not particularly good arguments agaisnt it imho. Built in dmg modifer for gallente drones becus of the myth of 'built in dmg mod' well ok then give the amarr drones larger opt then, because they orbit at the same distance, make your point of paper dps kinda insufficient an argument. Funny that you say this. You claimed blaster had lower base dmg and thus gallente drones should do less dmg than em drones. Now, actually blasters have the higher base dmg but suddenly that becomes "paper dps insufficient argument". Yeah, sure... Higher optimal will benefit the drones much less than the higher base speed or higher dmg instead that i proposed. But hey nobody likes to be wrong i guess.
Trigos Trilobi Man-Eating Village Idiots	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:07:00 - [11] Edited by: Trigos Trilobi on 31/01/2008 15:08:12 Originally by: Janu Hull They're great for PvE when you have EM vulnerable targets, though, so its not like they don't have a role to play. I swear by Acolyte IIs in Sansha country, they push my Drake's DPS up near Raven levels. Actually most mission sansha rats at cruiser sizes and below have worse thermal resist than em on armor. For battleship size em res is weaker, but the difference is so small that hobgoblins still do 20% more damage than acolytes. For shields the base resists are bit more skewed in em's favor but the hobgoblins still win at the typical 0/20 resists by about 10%. So all in all, unless you're using sentries, thermal drones are always preferrable against sanshas.
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:41:00 - [12] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones Actually there is at least one ship : the Helios gallente covert ops has a 10% bonus to scout drone thermal damage per level
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:56:00 - [13] EM drones have a silly small damage modifier. It's a bad sign when other drones do more damage against your favorite resist type simply because they have a higher damage modifier.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Weeka Originally by: wierchas noobhunter there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones Actually there is at least one ship : the Helios gallente covert ops has a 10% bonus to scout drone thermal damage per level Which is one of the lamest bonuses, considering it only has enough room to carry a single light drone. I like the idea of making the Amarr drones more durable. They could use a lil damage increase as well. They're pretty much pointless atm.
Gold Rogers Solitude Empires United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:00:00 - [15] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones no one makes u to use emp drones on amarr ships If the drones don't belong to the various races, how come each race has a drone spec skill? ---------
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Gold Rogers Originally by: wierchas noobhunter there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones no one makes u to use emp drones on amarr ships If the drones don't belong to the various races, how come each race has a drone spec skill? i will agree with u when u will show me in back story where it says that minmatar created explosive drones
Gold Rogers Solitude Empires United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:20:00 - [17] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter i will agree with u when u will show me in back story where it says that minmatar created explosive drones Doesn't say they created them but it clearly states they are Minmatar. Quote: Specialization in the operation of advanced Minmatar drones. 2% bonus to advanced Minmatar drone damage per level. From the Minmatar drone spec skill. ---------
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:56:00 - [18] Reguardless of what people 'think' the change should be, we can all agree on the fact they need a boost, so it doesnt matter about the background of the weapons of amarr / gallente. Amarr Drones need more of something. I personally believe that having them more durable is fine, but thats no good to me since there constantly destroyed by the sentries anyways. Amarr are imho the best at low sec - So having them swing more toward a low sec piracy drone would be sweet
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:40:00 - [19] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Gold Rogers Originally by: wierchas noobhunter there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones no one makes u to use emp drones on amarr ships If the drones don't belong to the various races, how come each race has a drone spec skill? i will agree with u when u will show me in back story where it says that minmatar created explosive drones One could argue that in the backstory, it does not say Sansha made the nightmare, or Caldari made the CNR. So enough asshattery logic. They are amarr drones and they are useless. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Gold Rogers Originally by: wierchas noobhunter there is no amarr, gallente or caldari drones, just cos there is no ships that gives bonuss for specific drones no one makes u to use emp drones on amarr ships If the drones don't belong to the various races, how come each race has a drone spec skill? i will agree with u when u will show me in back story where it says that minmatar created explosive drones One could argue that in the backstory, it does not say Sansha made the nightmare, or Caldari made the CNR. So enough asshattery logic. They are amarr drones and they are useless. so use other ?
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.31 17:56:00 - [21] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Jonny JoJo One could argue that in the backstory, it does not say Sansha made the nightmare, or Caldari made the CNR. So enough asshattery logic. They are amarr drones and they are useless. so use other ? Exactly. So why did nonamarr players no fly Amarr before Amarr nerf? Why did they complain on forums? Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Ekuwy Oizoa Anthrax Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Jonny JoJo One could argue that in the backstory, it does not say Sansha made the nightmare, or Caldari made the CNR. So enough asshattery logic. They are amarr drones and they are useless. so use other ? Exactly. So why did nonamarr players no fly Amarr before Amarr nerf? Why did they complain on forums? Dude anyone that uses their racial drone isnt very clever. Or it must be droneship or something. If you fire kin/therm, you dont get kin/therm drones. You get (in this case) explosive.
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:39:00 - [23] Sounds like they need to let Khanid start making the drones :P -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Kavol Valarius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:58:00 - [24] I wish Amarr drones were at least usable. I feel infinitely dirty having to use Gallente drones. -----
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Kavol Valarius I wish Amarr drones were at least usable. I feel infinitely dirty having to use Gallente drones. qft
Si Delane Sector 7 Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:31:00 - [26] I personally only use the Minmatar ones for three reasons: 1) I am most often in Angel country so explosive is ftw. 2) It happens to (because of 1) be my highest trained specialization. 3) They're fast. I'd rather use Valks over Hammerheads simply because they go so much faster. Same argument applies for Warriors over Hobgobs. I don't use heavy drones so I don't know if the speed difference is as staggering between Ogres and te competition. On the Amarr drone point: Make 'em the toughest. But it'd be hard to make them tough enough to justify their use over the crappy damage. They'd have to be to the point of "surviving a few DOZEN smartbomb hits" to actually be wortwhile I think. But then you'd have to increase their sig radius so it woudln't tkae 15+ seconds to lock them in a cruiser so the "destructable dps" facet of drone use is still there... Kinda. But if a single drone takes several volleys to destroy, I can see many more curses loading their bays with Amarr brand drones. ------------------------- Actually this IS my main.

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