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Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 5	Posted - 2012.02.13 15:58:00 - [1] - Quote My main interrest is trade, and that-¦s why im running for CSM. I believe EVE could be even better if more features were added to the trade and market aspect of the game. Stockmarket (my main interest) - This could open up a whole new dimension of trading in EVE ! - As is, trading corp shares is based on trust because there is ZERO guarantee that a scammer wont run of with the ISK you invested. - CORP SECURITY is a major factor. I-¦ve talked to alot of CEO-¦s searching for corps to invest in, but everybody are afraid of corp-takeovers. With a multi member corp 5% is enough to vote out the CEO (as far as i know) Only single person-corps are are safe because non corp members cant replace a corp member CEO. - "Corp History" is an essential part to make this work. The public/potentional investors need to be able to see corp info like : Payout-details, corporate strategy, corp-age, # of corp members and shareholders etc to be able to evaluate the corp shares. - Of course there need to be a stock market equal to the regular market where you can buy or sell shares. Also : Marketing Tools. - I-¦ve been wanting the possibility to place ads on the billboards for the price of X ISK. That leads to a secondary option : Corporate billbords - Ads on Capitain-¦s Quarters screen Fiscal Services - To make EVE-banks a reality, the banks need to be able to claim collateral e.g ships, mats, items etc. so that that ISK cant be transfered to another char, with no consequenses - Loan Contracts is also an opportunity, but again collateral is needed. Hr Mesetas CEO of Domain Trade Corp
Blawrf McTaggart GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 524	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote what is your stance on Darius III?
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 5	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:09:00 - [3] - Quote The old persian guy or the Darius III in EVE ?
Karadion 415	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:10:00 - [4] - Quote What's your stance on attending important space meetings? For example, if your significant other's health was at risk, would you attend the meetings no matter what?
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 5	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote if my significant other-¦s health was at risk and it depended on the meeting, i would go to the meeting - no doubt!
thetwilitehour GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 135	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:30:00 - [6] - Quote Do you have some fundamental plan to bring a stock market to Eve? How will you address the inherent trust mechanisms required? Where can I send my isk so that I can get the big returns?
Karadion 415	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote Hr Mesetas wrote: if my significant other-¦s health was at risk and it depended on the meeting, i would go to the meeting - no doubt! The answer is you should be skipping over the meeting as we're all human. If you're wanting to be on the CSM team, you're going to be working with other humans with moral obligations to their lives first over a game. So they are willing to emphasize with you that you have bigger importance in your life should they ever happen. The Mittani (he is not some soulless jackass) which is more than likely he will get the CSM chair again will emphasize with you over your obligations to other things.
RUSROG Beasts of Burden 106	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:42:00 - [8] - Quote So basically, make more spreadsheets add more graphs? -áE .-+ ` ' /-+. F Your tears fuel me. And as always, have nice day.
Krios Ahzek GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 598	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:45:00 - [9] - Quote There is no way to have a stock market in EVE because there is no accountability and law enforcement. -áThough All Men Do Despise Us
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 8	Posted - 2012.02.13 16:52:00 - [10] - Quote The problem with stock/shares as it is now is that, you have no guarantee that you get payouts. If the corporate wallet had a feature/division locked for payouts, that would make the handling easier. If a stockmarket is to be a reallity there are quite a lot of issue that must be adressed.
Osabojo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 122	Posted - 2012.02.13 17:02:00 - [11] - Quote How do you feel about a way to buy CCP shares with isk?
Osabojo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 122	Posted - 2012.02.13 17:03:00 - [12] - Quote Related question: Would you implement short selling in the EvE stock market?
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 8	Posted - 2012.02.13 17:15:00 - [13] - Quote @ Osabojo : Honestly, I havn-¦t thought about CCP shares but i think it-¦s an interesting idea! About short selling, I think that it could be possible, but it would depend on how the stockmarket and linked features works.
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 9	Posted - 2012.02.13 18:15:00 - [14] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: There is no way to have a stock market in EVE because there is no accountability and law enforcement. I know, but that is what i want to change!
HELIC0N ONE GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 123	Posted - 2012.02.13 18:22:00 - [15] - Quote Hr Mesetas wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: There is no way to have a stock market in EVE because there is no accountability and law enforcement. I know, but that is what i want to change! The obvious follow up question is how on earth you intend to introduce 'accountability and law enforcement' to allow your stock market pet project without adversely affecting.... pretty much the entirety of the rest of the game.
namron 7 1-800-FUBAR 17	Posted - 2012.02.13 18:43:00 - [16] - Quote i notice that the goons maybe hijacking this thread for no reason Thanks for the help
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 10	Posted - 2012.02.13 18:54:00 - [17] - Quote HELIC0N ONE wrote: Hr Mesetas wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: There is no way to have a stock market in EVE because there is no accountability and law enforcement. I know, but that is what i want to change! The obvious follow up question is how on earth you intend to introduce 'accountability and law enforcement' to allow your stock market pet project without adversely affecting.... pretty much the entirety of the rest of the game. It would deffinetly affect the game, no question about it. I think it would bring a whole new dimension to trading in EVE. As far as i know there is no MMO that has this feature(correct me if i-¦m wrong), so if CCP introduced it, it would be a first. It cant be done without affecting large aspects of EVE, but if its done properly, it would be to the better, bringing an extra level to trading.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 195	Posted - 2012.02.13 19:30:00 - [18] - Quote Last time I checked, CCP Games is privately own and therefore not part of the stock market. Other than that, I like the idea about incorporating a stock market into New Eden. *CSM Interstellar Debate - Mining Profession* *CSM Interstellar Debate - Combat PvP*
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 11	Posted - 2012.02.13 19:36:00 - [19] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: Last time I checked, CCP Games is privately own and therefore not part of the stock market. Other than that, I like the idea about incorporating a stock market into New Eden. It an ingame stockmarket where to trade corp shares i would like to see in EVE.
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4713	Posted - 2012.02.13 19:52:00 - [20] - Quote eve doesn't need a stock market, there's no securities regulation, and every 'bank' in eve is a scam hope this helps The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 70	Posted - 2012.02.13 19:53:00 - [21] - Quote i support this ideas as i support all ideas that make it easier to separate idiots from their money
Krios Ahzek GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 601	Posted - 2012.02.13 19:57:00 - [22] - Quote Start a corp with alts from your real corp, advertise a special investment method that gets 25% returns, buy 5% of shares with your main for 500m ISK (implying the corp is worth 20 bil), let people buy shares, close the corp, grab and run, repeat indefinitely. -áThough All Men Do Despise Us
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 14	Posted - 2012.02.13 20:08:00 - [23] - Quote The Mittani wrote: eve doesn't need a stock market, there's no securities regulation, and every 'bank' in eve is a scam hope this helps I agree with you on the bank scam, but i think EVE needs a stock-market. Sure its not vital for the game, but it would be a very cool feature, because at the moment, sharetrading and payouts are completely based on trust. Thats why EVE needs a stockmarket to ensure security and the regulations that follows.
Hr Mesetas Domain Trade Corp 14	Posted - 2012.02.13 20:09:00 - [24] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: Start a corp with alts from your real corp, advertise a special investment method that gets 25% returns, buy 5% of shares with your main for 500m ISK (implying the corp is worth 20 bil), let people buy shares, close the corp, grab and run, repeat indefinitely. 25% ? - then people would know its a scam.
HELIC0N ONE GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 123	Posted - 2012.02.13 21:32:00 - [25] - Quote Hr Mesetas wrote: The Mittani wrote: eve doesn't need a stock market, there's no securities regulation, and every 'bank' in eve is a scam hope this helps I agree with you on the bank scam, but i think EVE needs a stock-market. Sure its not vital for the game, but it would be a very cool feature, because at the moment, sharetrading and payouts are completely based on trust. Thats why EVE needs a stockmarket to ensure security and the regulations that follows. No, that's the exact reason that it doesn't need anything of the sort. What you're saying is that trust based on player-driven relationships as we have currently is a bad thing, and that Big Brother CCP needs to step in and prevent dishonest behaviour. That's like saying that CCP should make it impossible to shoot players with blue standings or to dishonour a 1v1 combat by bringing friends.
OldMan Gana The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance 25	Posted - 2012.02.13 21:37:00 - [26] - Quote The Mittani wrote: eve doesn't need a stock market, there's no securities regulation, and every 'bank' in eve is a scam hope this helps Lol- post of the day mate :) " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á
Di Mulle 33	Posted - 2012.02.13 22:14:00 - [27] - Quote Hr Mesetas wrote: I agree with you on the bank scam, but i think EVE needs a stock-market. Sure its not vital for the game, but it would be a very cool feature, because at the moment, sharetrading and payouts are completely based on trust. Thats why EVE needs a stockmarket to ensure security and the regulations that follows. You are putting a cart in front of a horse. Stock market will not ensure anything solely by itself, except its' own emptyness and uselessness. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough.
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 354	Posted - 2012.02.14 02:38:00 - [28] - Quote Henry Haphorn wrote: Last time I checked, CCP Games is privately own and therefore not part of the stock market. Other than that, I like the idea about incorporating a stock market into New Eden. You should take the part about CCP being privately owned to heart. Everything in the game is privately owned as well, so it wont be part of the stock market. That means no stock market. Just go play X3 the new expansion. There is a stock market in that game for you to tool around in and buy capitals. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Krios Ahzek GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 610	Posted - 2012.02.14 02:39:00 - [29] - Quote Hr Mesetas wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: Start a corp with alts from your real corp, advertise a special investment method that gets 25% returns, buy 5% of shares with your main for 500m ISK (implying the corp is worth 20 bil), let people buy shares, close the corp, grab and run, repeat indefinitely. 25% ? - then people would know its a scam. It works in real life vOv -áThough All Men Do Despise Us
Akhillez Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.02.14 03:12:00 - [30] - Quote Well for one, obviously you wouldn't be able to steal much money without a good track record, so if you stole a little it wouldn't be much different the losing the bet on penny stocks in rl stock market, let idiots gamble their iskies away I say. For two though, here's a thought. Consider revamping the bounty system. Make it a function of the contracts rather than a public bounty system. Its useless as it is now, but if a person made a name for himself as a bounty hunter, this would be a way to keep corpmates and such from taking advanage of the bounty system. A CCP mail should be sent to the person who placed the bounty contract with exactly what was destroyed in the encounter. Perhaps with a minimum amount of "tax" paid to concord int he contract, you could even skirt their interference during any hisec encounters.

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