You are putting a cart in front of a horse.

Stock market will not ensure anything solely by itself, except its' own emptyness and uselessness.

No, that's the exact reason that it doesn't need anything of the sort.

What you're saying is that trust based on player-driven relationships as we have currently is a bad thing, and that Big Brother CCP needs to step in and prevent dishonest behaviour. That's like saying that CCP should make it impossible to shoot players with blue standings or to dishonour a 1v1 combat by bringing friends.

eve doesn't need a stock market

The point of a stockmarket is not to ensure anything, but to expand trade options. No offence, but i think you-¦re missing the point here.

Well for one, obviously you wouldn't be able to steal much money without a good track record, so if you stole a little it wouldn't be much different the losing the bet on penny stocks in rl stock market, let idiots gamble their iskies away I say.

i notice that the goons maybe hijacking this thread for no reason

I was wondering when we'd see a 'trader' candidate. Ofc, without a broader platform this will not happen, tho...


We need it + derivatives so we can crash the markets harder.

Basically you should just withdraw your candidacy right now, because you aren't going to get elected and you are literally wasting your time.

Also lol stockmarkets.

No offence, but you should improve your wording then: " EVE needs a stockmarket to ensure security ".

Then again, complete absence of security is very important but not the only one problem. There are others which together lead to a very fundamental problem - the one that all the shares in EVE are essentially worthless.

I may understand you saying "I want just another simulation in this game". Tbh, I would like it too, just I realise that it will be born dead and nobody really will use it after some time, therefore it is hardly worthy of a dev's time.
Btw, there was some player-run stock market, AFAIK it is effectively dead. It happens not because there is no formal stockmarket.
If you think it is stockmarket which gives value to the shares, you have a horse and a cart problem again. Stockmarkets exist because shares, at least considerable part of them, are worthy by themselves. In EVE, they aren't.

Max Abramoff had a great track record.

In any case, Eve barely has a commodities market. Complex financial instruments and markets can really only exist in societies with sophisticated laws and intelligent enforcement thereof, neither of which exists in New Eden, nor should such things exist in this game. I doubt most corporations even distribute their shares.

[As it is now, your right - shares are more or less useless. They are ineffective because there are there without a reason. Shares in the real world work because they have value. Yes, in EVE you can use shares the determine votes, but without payouts, they are of no value to investors. Thats why if shares where on the market and corp history and economics were avalible to the public then : bad corp = bad shares value and vice versa.

I see you are firmly convinced that the wind blows because of swaying trees

I feel this man needs some more support for his inescapably interesting perspectives

At the moment There's several candidates in the pool that have less than the 100 likes.

Here's an idea.

To encourage a wide and representative shortlist and help ourselves a little into the bargain, why don't we like each other publicly with a post in each other's election post thread, and encourage others via our own posts to like the members of the sub-100 group.

This way we might all make the shortlist.

Let me know what you think about this.

Mu'ad Diib
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My main interrest is trade, and that-¦s why im running for CSM. I believe EVE could be even better if more features were added to the trade and market aspect of the game.

Stockmarket (my main interest)
- This could open up a whole new dimension of trading in EVE !
- As is, trading corp shares is based on trust because there is ZERO guarantee that a scammer wont run of with the ISK you invested.
- CORP SECURITY is a major factor. I-¦ve talked to alot of CEO-¦s searching for corps to invest in, but everybody are afraid of corp-takeovers. With a multi member corp 5% is enough to vote out the CEO (as far as i know) Only single person-corps are are safe because non corp members cant replace a corp member CEO.
- "Corp History" is an essential part to make this work. The public/potentional investors need to be able to see corp info like : Payout-details, corporate strategy, corp-age, # of corp members and shareholders etc to be able to evaluate the corp shares.
- Of course there need to be a stock market equal to the regular market where you can buy or sell shares.

I see you are firmly convinced that the wind blows because of swaying trees

First off, love the coat!

Second, if your significant other is sick at home, please stay home, idiot ! :P

And last but not least, your views about the stocks are refreshing. I'd like to see you achieve this. Stocks should hold more power even when just holding shares you should be able to make a vote for that corp. Having it so that the blackmarket for stocks become more of a tool to overthrow a CEO and the direction of a certain corp. By this war, wars can be won without a single fight.

Then again you also speak corp security. Given out 49 shares out of a 1000 is only a 4,9% where a 5% is a potential but small risk. then again, it can be a tool. What is your view ?

But you see, here is the problem. You mistakenly believe that the "shares" in an eve corporation somehow represent the value of that corporation. They don't - they're utterly worthless ( unless you are somehow ignoring reality and Role Playing that they do ) which is why nobody trades them.

The only thing that represents the value of a corporation is the Wallet Balance and the Corp Hangar Contents. And the only people who can access that value are the directors of a corporation.

Your idea of a stock market in Eve makes no sense.

The same principle is true of Banks in Eve. Anyone claiming to run a bank can ALWAYS make more money by stealing other players investments rather than wasting time investing it. There is NO SECURITY. There NEVER will be. CCP do not enforce player actions. The game is designed to allow us to violence each other.

How can you prevent Goons from manupulating the trade goods we're investing in?

I am assuming the "stock" will be trade goods.

If I invest heavily in say, ice products and that oily anorexic orders his "swarm" to gank ice miners again, just to capatalise on their stockpile. How will you keep my money safe?

someone needs to set up a clearing house in order to allow derivatives trading in commodities.

By a stockmarket i mean a corpshare-market.

Its very difficult to prevent a major corp with huge funds to manipulate the market unless you have more isk than they do. So i my advise would be to stay strong and together with as many as possible to prevent being overrun.

Fly safe.