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Mikenche
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Posted - 2008.01.31 13:58:00 -
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I'm primarily a miner, with some mission running and ratting on the side when the mining gets too boring. I'm also mostly a solo player by nature. I don't want to PvP, but whenever I go to lowsec, the PvP seems to come and find me. So far I've had two Navitas and one Vexor blown out from under me. I can understand that taking a mining frigate to lowsec is just asking for trouble, and the Vexor was rather poorly equipped against any serious PK. So what sort of ship and equipment do I need to stay alive? Most importantly, what do I need to mine there? Are two warp core stabilizers enough to get away from scrambles?
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:03:00 -
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1. you should have a cloak and mwd
2. stay aligned to warp
3. watch the scanner and warp when somethink comes to eat you
4. if you engage a gatecamp, set autopilot to the system you came from, hit autopilot+mwd+cloak and see yourself zapping with high speed cloaked back to gate and jump.
5. never fly what you cant afford to loose
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.01.31 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 31/01/2008 14:07:20
2 * WCS will get you away from 2 * 20/24km Warp Disruptors or 1* 7.5/10km Warp Scramblers.
The scramblers use less cap per cycle so they sometimes are a better fit on frigates but generally I believe the longer range points are more popular.
So yeah, 2 WCS will get you away from casual interest. Obviously not so much if a gang jumps in on you.
This is the big problem you've got mining. You're near to an object that a) can be warped to and b) people are scanning looking for easy targets.
Avoidance is probably a better bet. Warp to a station or safespot if someone appears on local.
Then there's gatecamps to consider. Probably want a MWD there.
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Mikenche
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Posted - 2008.01.31 15:36:00 -
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Thanks for the tips. I found a cloaking device guide that says you can't use any other modules while cloaked, which would seem to prevent the MWD + cloak rush tactic to avoid gate campers. Also the cloak reduces speed by a massive amount, so a T1 cloak + MWD would still be 50% speed reduction combined. T2 modules would be better, but I don't think I can afford to lose a shipful of them yet...
Also, is there some easier way to align my ship than manually move towards the target? I've seen some "align to" entries in context menus while in a fleet but can't find anything appropriate when playing solo. Keeping myself aligned when ratting might be quite hard as well...
Trying to be alone in a system seems a bit extreme... I imagine that at worst it could result in a deadlock where two players are docked at stations, waiting for the other one to leave the system. I agree that it's the most effective tactic for avoiding gankers though.
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Bruce flame
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Posted - 2008.01.31 15:52:00 -
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I found a cloaking device guide that says you can't use any other modules while cloaked, which would seem to prevent the MWD + cloak rush tactic to avoid gate campers.
>>>>> click MWD then cloak the cloak deactivates the mwd but by that time you still are going 1k/s odd and the deceleration time should be enough to get you to the gate
Also, is there some easier way to align my ship than manually move towards the target? I've seen some "align to" entries in context menus while in a fleet but can't find anything appropriate when playing solo. Keeping myself aligned when ratting might be quite hard as well...
>>>>> double-click somewhere in space.... see what happens (dont forget to stop your ship afterwards)
Trying to be alone in a system seems a bit extreme... I imagine that at worst it could result in a deadlock where two players are docked at stations, waiting for the other one to leave the system. I agree that it's the most effective tactic for avoiding gankers though.
>>>>> best bet join a corp if you are in a group you are less likely to be bothered by an individual... you will find there are many like-minded individuals the same as you that like the same things you do.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.31 15:57:00 -
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Say aligned, warp out at the first sign of hostiles in local.
Of course, this will keep you alive, but it will probably kill your productivity so much that you'd be better off mining ore in hi sec in complete safety.
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Mikenche
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Posted - 2008.01.31 16:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Bruce flame
Also, is there some easier way to align my ship than manually move towards the target? I've seen some "align to" entries in context menus while in a fleet but can't find anything appropriate when playing solo. Keeping myself aligned when ratting might be quite hard as well...
>>>>> double-click somewhere in space.... see what happens (dont forget to stop your ship afterwards)
This is what I meant by "manually move towards the target". So I guess there's no easier way then...
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s0ulkiller
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Posted - 2008.01.31 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
...it will probably kill your productivity so much that you'd be better off mining ore in hi sec in complete safety.
High Sec... Complete Safety 
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Mikenche
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Posted - 2008.01.31 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: s0ulkiller
Originally by: Ulstan
...it will probably kill your productivity so much that you'd be better off mining ore in hi sec in complete safety.
High Sec... Complete Safety
Maybe not 100% complete, but I haven't been ganked while mining in highsec yet.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.01.31 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
4. if you engage a gatecamp, set autopilot to the system you came from, hit autopilot+mwd+cloak and see yourself zapping with high speed cloaked back to gate and jump.
Huh? Have you ever actually used a cloak before?
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Corduroy Rab
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.01.31 20:40:00 -
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I began my eve life as a miner as well, and did a fair amount of mining in low sec space. I would say that the one thing you should do is to get to know the area you are planning on mining. See who the locals are, do they support pirating are they anti-pirates et cetera.
Once you have a good idea of who frequents that area (corps and individuals) you will not have to run and dock every time local changes.
Everything everyone else said also applies, I would only add one other thing and that is do not be fooled by a positive security status. If the person has a 5.0 they are more than likely ok (of course there is always a first time). But many pilots rat and mission run which makes up for the security hits they take pvping in low sec space.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.02.01 09:58:00 -
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Trying to be alone in a system seems a bit extreme... I imagine that at worst it could result in a deadlock where two players are docked at stations, waiting for the other one to leave the system. I agree that it's the most effective tactic for avoiding gankers though.
I guess the other thing you could do is have a safespot near to the belt. That's less time warping and ****ing around.
It's pretty simple though, in low sec anyone on local can if they so choose warp to you and start trying to pop you.
They don't even need a good reason. "For the lulz" is perfectly acceptable.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.02.01 12:32:00 -
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also have a look at the close by 0.0 space better minerals to mine and if a system dosent have alot of belts then the chances are people just use it to travel to (unless it has some good moons to mine). Anyway what you do is find a system that's quiet when you're online with only 1 or 2 active pilots in space which is more than likly people passing through. Have a cloak on your ship with the mwd and get safe when someone shows up on scan. Also try to be far enough away from the stargates so that they won't show up when they are at either of the gates.
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Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Snake Assault
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Posted - 2008.02.01 13:17:00 -
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One more hint.
Do not mine close to the warp to zero point. Move to a point that's as far away from the warp in point as possible. This should buy you enough time to warp out (when you're aligned).
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Yonneh
Death of Virtue
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.01 13:19:00 -
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Dont listen! Its all a lie!
Just jump in blind, you'll enjoy it i promise. 
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Bruce flame
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Posted - 2008.02.01 13:20:00 -
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just make sure it is under 150km from the warp to zero point otherwise they can warp to your can
If someone warps in then out again they may have bookmarked your can and within seconds be on their way back to your mining point
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Dalen III
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.02.01 15:13:00 -
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There is no reason to mine in low sec can make 10 times the money just mining high sec.
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Nitack
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Posted - 2008.02.01 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dalen III
There is no reason to mine in low sec can make 10 times the money just mining high sec.
Interesting, every time I tried to mine in high sec every asteroid beld I went to was completely mined out...
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Dalen III
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.02.01 17:01:00 -
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Then your mining in the wrong systems. Sorry if I seem blunt but you haven't learned yet. In low sec I'll lose one fight to warp stabs go into station and equip two scrams then bump the crap out of ships.
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Wahjoo
Minmatar
Pandemic Influenza
Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.02.01 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mikenche
Also, is there some easier way to align my ship than manually move towards the target? I've seen some "align to" entries in context menus while in a fleet but can't find anything appropriate when playing solo. Keeping myself aligned when ratting might be quite hard as well...
Yes there is. Initiate a warp to another belt, gate, station whatever... your ship will turn to it to initiate warp. As soon as it does that, stop your ship and presto, you are now aligned.
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Endless Wrath
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Posted - 2008.02.01 17:36:00 -
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Is it possible to remain aligned when on a mission or ratting?
I'm mostly running kill missions solo right now and it seems like it would be impossible to be aligned on a mission.
Also, is pvp any less of a risk while in mission deadspace?
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.01 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Endless Wrath
Is it possible to remain aligned when on a mission or ratting?
I'm mostly running kill missions solo right now and it seems like it would be impossible to be aligned on a mission.
Also, is pvp any less of a risk while in mission deadspace?
Ratting: Pretty easy, until you start wanting to loot/salvage your wrecks. A tractor beam on your ship might help this. When you get in a belt, just align to an object and fly at full speed. The rats will come to you. :)
Missioning: Depends on the mission. If you have to fly to an acceleration gate, or to pick up mission loot, obviously no, you can't stay aligned. If the mission is "Deadspace" not only will it be a little harder to probe you and your mission out, but the opponent won't be able to use MWD in the mission. So, if you're far enough away from the warp in point, you should be able to have enough time to warp out, hopefully.
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