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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:51:00 -
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Hey Peepz.
I've just been the victem, of a crual scam.
And right now, i honestly dont know how to act upon this.
Any ideas ?
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyrian Prime
Hey Peepz.
I've just been the victem, of a crual scam.
And right now, i honestly dont know how to act upon this.
Any ideas ?
Quick, put this on...<hands flame-proof suit> 
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:55:00 -
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Suck it up. Learn from it. Move on.
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:55:00 -
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Hire a mec corp to war dec em back into the stone age?
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:55:00 -
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actually i dont think this is funny in any way.. sorry to say.
looking for a way to get back what was taken...
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:56:00 -
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Become that much more paranoid to lower chances of it happening again.
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Ucala Sumulu
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:57:00 -
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so only thing i can do, is to just let it go and learn from it ?
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:59:00 -
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wrong char.. still me though
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Skyslider
Gallente
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.01 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: Skyslider on 01/02/2008 02:01:25
Edited by: Skyslider on 01/02/2008 02:00:14
Depends on what sort of scam it was, you may have the option of being banned as well if it involved you giving them your account details or some other EULA violation. So, what did you fall for?
Edit:
Ahh, yah, thats legitimate contract PVP, congratulations on only losing 400m
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:00:00 -
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a CNR for 450mill.. just failed to see it was a normal raven before i accepted it. :(
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:00:00 -
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Well, you could get back at him with mercs or something, but yeah, your stuff is probably lost to you.
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
actually i dont think this is funny in any way.. sorry to say.
looking for a way to get back what was taken...
Well, unless you can develop the ability to just shrug your shoulders and laugh it off, all you will end up doing is getting yourself one nice ulcer (not recommended).
Yes, EVE is dark and cold. People will scam you if they can. It's completely legal play in EVE.
So... thicken that skin, and get back out there, you may go places. Otherwise, the scammers won... You don't want that do you?
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:02:00 -
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just freaking expensive for a raven though. :(
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:02:00 -
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Pretty much... yeah. Might want to jot down the name(s) though, just in case you get a chance to get even. ;)
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:02:00 -
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so scamming is legal in eve... that sucks. :(
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
a CNR for 450mill.. just failed to see it was a normal raven before i accepted it. :(
That's not cruel. What's cruel about that? You didn't read the contract properly and you paid 450M for an 80M ships.
I bet you'll always read contracts properly in future, right?
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KIAJugger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:05:00 -
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i guess the best thing to do is list his name and let everyone hes a scammer.
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:05:00 -
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well i know she's reading this post, she thanked me in game.
but her name is Potenza.
[01:59:59] Potenza > tyrian thx for the thread on eve-o gen
[02:00:08] Potenza > makes me feel even better about ripping you off
From convo:
[01:45:27] Potenza > thats why I scam
[01:45:30] Potenza > to make IS
[01:45:32] Potenza > ISK
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
so scamming is legal in eve... that sucks. :(
It's not an exploit, so it's "game legal". Of course, you're equally free to enforce any in-game penalties you feel appropriate.
If it's any comfort, losing 370M or so is pretty small beer by EvE scam standards. Corp thefts measuring in the tens of billions have been publicised. And then of course... This!
I hope you feel better now.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
KIAJugger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:08:00 -
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yeah i was also scam by she, wish there was a scammer list
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:10:00 -
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well loosing 370mill is pretty much to me since my char is a little over 3 months old...
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:10:00 -
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I hope the GTC's you sold today, weren't used to buy said scammed Raven...
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrian Prime on 01/02/2008 02:11:52
it was...
but i guess i just have to stop trusting people... :(
well.. time to sell another 90d GTC :S
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:12:00 -
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... OUCH ...
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:13:00 -
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yup... :(
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
Edited by: Tyrian Prime on 01/02/2008 02:11:52
but i guess i just have to stop trusting people... :(
Why did you start?
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:14:00 -
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Experience from other mmorpg... what goes around comes around you know.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
Edited by: Tyrian Prime on 01/02/2008 02:11:52
it was...
but i guess i just have to stop trusting people... :(
well.. time to sell another 90d GTC :S
Plan B: stop trying to buy your way out of your mistakes.
But at least you've learned the first rule of EvE.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:20:00 -
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Yup, scamming is legal. So are infiltrating corps and stealing their hangars, tricking people into fights by stealing their ore, suicide-ganking in Empire-space, piracy, war declarations for extortion, scanning mission runners and shooting them or stealing their loot, etc.
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KIAJugger
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:20:00 -
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here what i learn so far
1. never give up your isk first!
2. assume everybody is a scammer (eve people are nasty bunch)
3. and alway read warning pop-up
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
yup found out the hard way... :( btw anybody wanna buy a 90d GTC ? lol
... /facepalm
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Potenza
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
yup found out the hard way... :( btw anybody wanna buy a 90d GTC ? lol
I might be. Interested in trading for a navy raven?
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:21:00 -
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lesson learned for me as well. :(
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
Experience from other mmorpg... what goes around comes around you know.
EVE isn't like other mmorpgs.
And I wouldn't count on karma to settle your debt. Far better to take the initiative on your own.
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Tyrian Prime
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:22:00 -
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Potenza.. Hope your proud of your self.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Vabjekf on 01/02/2008 02:46:27
Hehe, someone in the newbie corp almost fell for this one the other day, would have if they did not have the clarity to ask us first.
The lesson here, people are stupid. Assume everyone you deal with is smarter than you, and know there are probably always plenty of people even more stupid than you are.
Have an idea for a scam? Even if you don't think anyone could ever fall for it... there will be tons of people it gets. Dont be afraid to try something stupid thinking that people wont fall for it, they will.
You could probably get your money back via the exact same scam, using the exact same ship even.
Still, i wonder if you would have been more careful if you had to watch those mills trickle in instead of just selling a GTC and suddenly having it all, may have made you look a bit more carefully.
As always, don't buy something you cant afford to lose. In your case you 'lost' it before you even had it. A regular old raven is a fine mission running ship too you know. And it will make that money back decently quick itself.
You just payed for a lesson. Your scam resistance just went up, your appreciation of isk also shot up i think=P Remember, wealthy people don't get that way just because they know how to make lots of money, they get that way because they also know how to keep it.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.01 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 01/02/2008 03:00:14
How is this even POSSIBLE anymore, unless you use a freeform contract, which you never should? How can you not examine a contract carefully before you accept it? I spend at least a couple of minutes examining and reading every part of a contract before agreeing to it.
I just purchased a Daredevil the other day. There's a pop-up window (for both auctions and exchanges) that says:
Originally by: "Pop-up Window"
You are about to accept the following contract: <Item Name>.
You will have to pay the following sum of money: <X amount> ISK
You will receive the following items:
One (or more) unit of <item(s) you will receive>.
Are you sure you want to do this?
How can you screw that up? Do I need to go looking for scams, to find out how someone could possibly fall for one?
Also, LOL @ someone buying a bunch of ISK, then getting scammed trying to buy a CNR. I laugh at your impatience to become yet another sheep spamming out L4s in CNRs, and am happy to see you suffer for it.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.01 03:11:00 -
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GTCNR, not a joke after all.
There are many many scams possible due to the cluttered interface and sometimes bad UI coding. They mostly get newbies with lots of ISK's (from GTC's), because the veterans have been around a while and have had time to hear about these scams etc.
Read this. It's condescending, but there is some info there on how to avoid some of the scams.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.02.01 03:23:00 -
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I feel no pity when bought isk is lost in a scam.
You wanted an easy way. The scammer wanted an easy way.
Theirs was superior to yours.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.01 03:26:00 -
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I read that scam guide the first week I started playing, but the current system seems idiot-proof. I read about people falsifying contract descriptions, and all the copy and pasting in freeform contracts (there are none on the market in-game currently, haven't been since I started playing).
So what exact scam did this fellow fall for? A private contract arranged through convo, I guess? A description on an auction that said it was a CNR, when it was really a regular Raven (which you can see bright as day in the acceptance warning window)?
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.01 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Prime
yup found out the hard way... :( btw anybody wanna buy a 90d GTC ? lol
Let me guess, you got money for the GTC from buying ISK?
If so, HAHAHAHA you just lost $40 USD.
Protip: Sometimes the hard way is better than the "easy way".
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Lasairiona
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Posted - 2008.02.01 04:03:00 -
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Ok, look it, he made a mistake, but scamming, although legal, is just messed up. I just know that karma will come down hard on you...
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.01 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lasairiona
Ok, look it, he made a mistake, but scamming, although legal, is just messed up. I just know that karma will come down hard on you...
I disagree.
I think activities designed to prey on stupid, ignorant and / or careless people are fantastic. Either the victims learn from their mistakes and adapt, or they fail to learn, and quit the game in frustration.
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.02.01 04:49:00 -
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Now you understand why I offered you the suit..
Don't let this experience sour you on the whole EVE population. Think of it this way: You need a stethoscope to hear a beating heart, but you can hear an orifice let go from across the room.
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Yuri VanKaer
*** SNIP *** Think of it this way: You need a stethoscope to hear a beating heart, but you can hear an orifice let go from across the room.
LMAO... WIN!!!
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Zarin
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Posted - 2008.02.01 04:56:00 -
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Rule #30: A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Karlemgne
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ucala Sumulu
so only thing i can do, is to just let it go and learn from it ?
Pretty much, yeah. Unless they stole real money from you, or scammed you out of isk with a bad GTC or a character that wasn't as advertised.
Welcome to the world of eve-online, where scamming using normal game mechanics is 100% legal.
-Karlemgne
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.02.01 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zarin
Rule #30: A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Ferenghi Rules of Acquisition?
(Yes I'm at work, bored out of my freakin skull, haunting the forums.)
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"Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told, I'm a child of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Free pint of blood for the Dev who agrees |
Eizana
Amarr
Scyanis
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Posted - 2008.02.01 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Joy
Suck it up. Learn from it. Move on.
this
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.02.01 09:53:00 -
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OP please don't buy another GTC.
Another GTC at this point would be what they call "Throwing good money after bad".
You'll just lose it in some equally humiliating way.
The scam you just described requires not any huge quantity of ingame trickery but merely that the scam-ee doesn't read particularly carefully (hint: the contracts say in big bold letters what you are getting) and trusts everyone they meet. In short, you have to be pretty dumb to fall for a scam like that.
The best you can do at this point is to grind out some L3's to fit your Raven.
Also for the love of god start actually reading windows in the game interface before clicking yes.
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