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Xolve
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:28:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Yeah. XL guns hitting a target which is about 50% bigger than a mega is clearly broken. With its tank I suspect all it needed to to was sneeze at it.
Its perfectly reasonable for XL Blasters to hit a Light Dictor though... 
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Xolve
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:49:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Using a MWD in the vincinity of big stuff that will instapop you if they can hit you is not very smart. Are you advocating we reduce battle parametres in EVE to tank and dps only perhaps? So you dont have to think and you know - fly smartly? I'm sure that would suit the Goon blob perfectly.
Tell me about your experience in fleet fights against Titans skirting a POS shield, and how you took no losses...
Wait- whats that? You don't know what you're talking about- its ok... we figured that out already
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:59:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
I've flown enough light dictors to know I'll probably die in fights like these. Its just the way it is. Drop bubble, mwd out to get free of the bubble so u can at least save your pod. Happned more than once.
But the point to threads like these is: No amount of killmails will prove that I, You, Baltec or anyone else are right or wrong objectively, because there are multiple possible explanations as to why stuff happens in EVE. The EVE combat system have so many parametres and factors that affect the end result, that killmails are virtually unable to prove anything.
Only way to do it is to jump on SISI and conduct carefully controlled experiments in multiple iterations.
Excellent Backpedal Space Friend. Great use of the 'Religion Cop Out' (Prove there isn't, and until you do, I obviously must be right).
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:38:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote: Killmails dont prove anything. EVER.
API verified killmails don't mean ships exploded, got it.
Please, I implore you, tell me more. 
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:48:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:
The new battlecruisers have been embraced by all and are a fantastic addition to the game as they are balanced. Adding new things should not stop, but sometimes things do need to be taken away to improve the game. We do not want titans removed from the game just their ability to wipe out everything before them.
I would be more inclined to trust your sincerity if you or any other goon/test member talking in these threads werent ONLY talking about changes that would be a massive benefit to your alliances in-game. Personally I dont think that is a coincidence. So forgive me when I call bullshit 
TEST, have titans? In my EvE? This will end well.
:t1trimark:
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Xolve
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:49:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Using blob tactics has been a Goon signature tactic for as long as it has existed. You are not alone in this ofc, but this is your main modus operandi and has always been. Right now titans > blob, and you dont like it, which is fine.
What I dont like is a solution that will just remove titan and free the goon blob. I'd like to see a more balanced way forward. And introducing a true rock-paper-scissors capital game available as low entry (like dreads/carriers) for everybody I think is much better than just freeing the blob.
There isn't really "blobbing" in nullsec, its expected when you're fighting the largest alliance in the game. Goons originally came in droves simply because at the beginning the skill point average of the average goon was terribly small, <5m typically, and we accomplished many victories outclassed and outgunned.
I love this foolish proposal that maneuvering multiple fleets of all kinds of people is simple and effortless. Plain and simple, SuperCaps shouldn't be able to hit Sub-Capitals, with any success. The very fact that they can makes them extremely difficult to counter without more Supers. Currently 50 titans can all target the same person, all fire, and if one titan scores a hit, that ship is space dust; in essence they can effectively dwindle even the largest fleets before they can become a threat, all any supporting subcaps need to do is clear the field of bubbles and dictors/hictors and the titans can blap away. This is wrong. Especially since they can effectiely reduce the chances of killing even the smallest ships to practically 0 in less then 5 vollies, without being in danger.
I am not saying that Supers shouldn't be able to lock onto subcap ships and attempt to defend themselves, but it should be an attempt, not guarunteed success. No ship regardless of price, mineral cost or build time should be able to engage hostile fleets outnumbered 50:1 and not be in grave danger, being an exceptional pilot is one thing (read: Garmon, Gods Coldblood, Hera Darkthorne) but you shouldn't be able to train for a few months, sit in a ship, and be relatively safe.
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Xolve
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:24:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:So, if we take this proposal and implement it in the physics engine, there should really be no downward efficiency between classes. Or do you mean it should only affect XL guns because you happen to not fly a capital?
Yeah thats a retorical question.
Well your rhetoric is wrong.
I'm not against Titans being the be-all-end-all answer to Capital Ship destruction, but if you honestly think 20 battleships can pose a threat to a Titan by themselves before the Titan can kill them, your ******* ******** (neccessary emphasis applied).
This isn't a whine or *****, its just statistically stupid that a single ship class can utterly decimate any opposition regardless of ship size. Even the people that abuse Titans will admit its over-powered. I'm also not arguing against the idea of ships exploding, stuff blowing up is good; I am however against risk-free PvP and thats exactly what a Titan blob is...
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Xolve
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:33:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Xolve wrote:
I'm not against Titans being the be-all-end-all answer to Capital Ship destruction, but if you honestly think 20 battleships can pose a threat to a Titan by themselves before the Titan can kill them, your ******* ******** (neccessary emphasis applied).
Tell that to PL
They already admit to abusing the power of Super Caps to engage in Risk Free PvP whenever possible.
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