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Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:18:00 - [1] I'll add my little secret, AC Dessie. Pops out cruiser size dps in a fun low cost hull. Dessie's are bit like a gun fight no tank but all gank. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:25:00 - [2] neutron velator
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:36:00 - [3] I try not to be one those I've made the Bellicose a PvP machine eve guys. That said I think dessie's is a example of a ship people don't use but is a killer pvp ship. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Arkedon Caldari Pegasus Knights	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:55:00 - [4] Ibis. People may laugh at it, but considering its heavy use in fleet engagements it is definitely one of the most useful (but less glorified) ships on the PVP field.
mentalmonkey Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.03 08:17:00 - [5] Edited by: mentalmonkey on 03/02/2008 08:22:07 I would have to say velator > Ibis, with good skills and 2X neutron blaster II and 2 X hobgoblin II it can deal some pretty epic DPS. That or shuttle, 5 Fighters assigned, and with high skills, some good gang links and a nice implant or two think you can get over 3DPS passive shield tank.
Prolixj2 Gallente Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.03 08:49:00 - [6] i'd have to say ferox, everyone laughs at the ferox Prolix? In the north? lulz.
Ararius Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.02.03 08:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Prolixj2 i'd have to say ferox, everyone laughs at the ferox QFT Berox CAN pump out some decent Dps... but it takes a bit to get it to work out ><
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Dalen III I try not to be one those I've made the Bellicose a PvP machine eve guys The Bellicose is not a bad ship actually. It just needs a little more powergrid and it would be really nice.
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:46:00 - [9] Ferox is pretty interesting in its recent boost. That said real legit non eft warriors should apply. Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Sebroth	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Dalen III I try not to be one those I've made the Bellicose a PvP machine eve guys The Bellicose is not a bad ship actually. It just needs a little more powergrid and it would be really nice. this ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Ally Poo ExoGeni	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:45:00 - [11] Bantam ===============Sleep is for the Dead===============
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:49:00 - [12] Torp raven and lots of other caldari boats.
Polly Prissypantz	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Ararius Originally by: Prolixj2 i'd have to say ferox, everyone laughs at the ferox QFT Berox CAN pump out some decent Dps... but it takes a bit to get it to work out >< The problem with the Ferox is that no matter how you set it up (as a blaster boat with tackle), the Brutix will always outclass it in damage output and tank. Which is sad. And using Ferox as some sort of 'sniper' is mostly wasted effort since your range and damage is going to suck. Now... With the upcoming Moa/Eagle/Ferox changes, the Ferox will hopefully be a bit more formidable.
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:42:00 - [14] Thorax people forget that its DPS if t2 fitted is still enough to break a bs tank and 2 hurts alot while still being cheap, defo my favorite swarm cruiser.
Pan Dora Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:44:00 - [15] In general, stealth bomber and dessies (mostly because they are a bit hard to use and easy to kill). Missiles may be counted as a underrated weapon system . Pan
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:48:00 - [16] Coercer -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Ra Opheus	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:56:00 - [17] Mkay............o.O
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Hellspawn666 Thorax people forget that its DPS if t2 fitted is still enough to break a bs tank and 2 hurts alot while still being cheap, defo my favorite swarm cruiser. The Thorax is NOT an underrated PVP ship... ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Ungakola	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:31:00 - [19] mega
WattIsWacken Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:34:00 - [20] Typhoon ------------- [VIDEO] LOL
Zanon Xiu Dogs 0f War	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:09:00 - [21] Badger mk2 runs away
Solomon XI Caldari Dawn of Chaos	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:45:00 - [22] Most under-rated PvP ship? -MERLIN- I've seen Merlins pwn Taranis Interceptors and smile while doing it. And in second place... -RAPTOR- Arguably one of the worst Interceptors in the game yet I've beaten the hell out of Claws, Stilleto's, Ares', Crows', and Maledictions in mine. When fit properly, this ship is the anti-ceptor ceptor. That damn Optimal Range bonus is sexy.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Prolixj2 i'd have to say ferox, everyone laughs at the ferox Whats a ferox?
ToonAsju	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:38:00 - [24] Originally by: WattIsWacken Typhoon Not as much as some other but yes...dont know why - it's better than neut mega and fairly cheap
Flyit	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:40:00 - [25] Maller
WattIsWacken Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:57:00 - [26] Originally by: ToonAsju Originally by: WattIsWacken Typhoon Not as much as some other but yes...dont know why - it's better than neut mega and fairly cheap well skilled it can reach over 1k dps without damage mods and tank about the same. but it seems noone uses them ------------- [VIDEO] LOL
Gypsio III Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:59:00 - [27] Drake, possibly?
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Gypsio III Drake, possibly? ECM Drake. 7 x heavy launchers 1 x 10mn mwd, 4 x racial jammers of your choice, 1 x large shield extender 3 x signature distortion amplifiers, 1 x damage control 5 x light ecm drones (or warriors) Preferably all tech 2, except the launchers (not enough cpu, and the firepower is not important anyway). I get around 6.5 jamming strength on racial jammers with my skills. I think it's 7 with maxed skills.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:20:00 - [29] Munin -----------
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Flyit Maller I'll second that. Used to kill allot of stuff in my Baller.
El'Tar Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.02.03 19:24:00 - [31] Ferox for sure, Ferox fun I doubt they were expecting the "U.S.S. Enterprise" would do this Killboard
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:10:00 - [32] Originally by: WattIsWacken Originally by: ToonAsju Originally by: WattIsWacken Typhoon Not as much as some other but yes...dont know why - it's better than neut mega and fairly cheap well skilled it can reach over 1k dps without damage mods and tank about the same. but it seems noone uses them because by the time you can do it you are probably trainign for a mothership :P ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.03 20:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Prolixj2 i'd have to say ferox, everyone laughs at the ferox When (if) it gets that 6th turret, they might laugh a little less... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
6Bagheera9 Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 21:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Originally by: Flyit Maller I'll second that. Used to kill allot of stuff in my Baller. I'll throw my vote in for the Maller, I've been surprised by well fitted one.
missile1337	Posted - 2008.02.03 21:18:00 - [35] executioner! w/ 400mm rt,mapc ab, scram 2x 150mm ac dont know how effective it is... but the thought of using it in PVP sounds fun.
Boobiq	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:12:00 - [36] Originally by: WattIsWacken Originally by: ToonAsju Originally by: WattIsWacken Typhoon Not as much as some other but yes...dont know why - it's better than neut mega and fairly cheap well skilled it can reach over 1k dps without damage mods and tank about the same. but it seems noone uses them Yes it needs quite a lot of skills tho...with some faction stuff i fit 4x425mm AC2 + 4x siege T2 and get ~1000 dps with my skills (ETF) but I have crappy drone skills so maxed will be ~1150 dps. That includes basic tank and 2 dmg mods. So I'd say if u got skillz then it's no.1 choice, but still people fly crap like temp and mael =)
LUH 3471	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:14:00 - [37] battle bestower
Boobiq	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: WattIsWacken Originally by: ToonAsju Originally by: WattIsWacken Typhoon Not as much as some other but yes...dont know why - it's better than neut mega and fairly cheap well skilled it can reach over 1k dps without damage mods and tank about the same. but it seems noone uses them because by the time you can do it you are probably trainign for a mothership :P Yes, but I doubt anyone uses mothership that often so there is no need to compare those two.
DroneBay Diva Conducti	Posted - 2008.02.03 22:57:00 - [39] All Logistics ships. No, seriously. But only if there's 2 or more. _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nanofag
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.02.04 01:01:00 - [40] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Gypsio III Drake, possibly? ECM Drake. 7 x heavy launchers 1 x 10mn mwd, 4 x racial jammers of your choice, 1 x large shield extender 3 x signature distortion amplifiers, 1 x damage control 5 x light ecm drones (or warriors) Preferably all tech 2, except the launchers (not enough cpu, and the firepower is not important anyway). I get around 6.5 jamming strength on racial jammers with my skills. I think it's 7 with maxed skills. I don't have any idea why you would do this other than for the WTF?! factor. . .
Gen Kumon Caldari No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.02.04 01:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Derek Sigres I don't have any idea why you would do this other than for the WTF?! factor. . . Mostly because no one ever primaries a Drake. Blackbird may jam better, but it's also usually the first ship targeted, so it may not get a chance to jam at all. The Drake, however, would almost certainly get at least one good cycle off before being noticed.
Pan Dora Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.04 02:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Gen Kumon Originally by: Derek Sigres I don't have any idea why you would do this other than for the WTF?! factor. . . Mostly because no one ever primaries a Drake. Blackbird may jam better, but it's also usually the first ship targeted, so it may not get a chance to jam at all. The Drake, however, would almost certainly get at least one good cycle off before being noticed. why not a raven then? you may get better 'tank', beter 'damage', better 'ecm strng', better target range. And more important, the same WTF factor with small chance to be primaried. Pan
Gen Kumon Caldari No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.02.04 05:34:00 - [43] Edited by: Gen Kumon on 04/02/2008 05:35:16 Originally by: Pan Dora why not a raven then? you may get better 'tank', beter 'damage', better 'ecm strng', better target range. And more important, the same WTF factor with small chance to be primaried. Two things. First, cost. A Raven does cost a good bit more than a Drake. Second, Ravens are called primary from time to time. Especially now, when Torp Ravens are actually a threat. The whole point of using a Drake, in my opinion, for this job is that since a Drake is all tank and no gank, it's a very low priority target. A Raven, on the other hand, can pump out a very large amount of damage, and attracts more attention than a Drake. If only because it's a larger, more expensive target, and looks better on a killboard.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.02.04 06:57:00 - [44] Someone has to say that ... its the Hulk
Dalen III Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.04 07:01:00 - [45] I'll be honest I wouldn't have the ballz to pvp in a hulk . Don't blame me, blame the main I'm supporting.
Yakov Draken Minmatar Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.02.04 07:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin neutron velator 200mm Plate AC Velator FTW! AC's > Blaster on a Velator. The drones put down the pwn while the 200mm plate keeps you alive a bit longer - you can fit the 200mm plate because of AC's low pg usage. Some range (think barrage) is nice on a slow ship and you can keep your WD running for much longer with AC's which is crucial for ransoming the pod.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:12:00 - [47] Raven or Drake. Most people think that those are for PvE only. -- Gradient forum
Pan Dora Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.04 08:17:00 - [48] Edited by: Pan Dora on 04/02/2008 08:18:11 Originally by: Gen Kumon Edited by: Gen Kumon on 04/02/2008 05:35:16 Originally by: Pan Dora why not a raven then? you may get better 'tank', beter 'damage', better 'ecm strng', better target range. And more important, the same WTF factor with small chance to be primaried. Two things. First, cost. A Raven does cost a good bit more than a Drake. Second, Ravens are called primary from time to time. Especially now, when Torp Ravens are actually a threat. The whole point of using a Drake, in my opinion, for this job is that since a Drake is all tank and no gank, it's a very low priority target. A Raven, on the other hand, can pump out a very large amount of damage, and attracts more attention than a Drake. If only because it's a larger, more expensive target, and looks better on a killboard. Well you get a fair point there. I was about to say 'stay in sniper range' when I realise this wold only criple your not great ecm strg.(comparing with ECM ships of course Pan
Wardeneo Gallente N.E.O NEW EVE ORDER Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.04 09:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Dalen III I'll add my little secret, AC Dessie. Pops out cruiser size dps in a fun low cost hull. Dessie's are bit like a gun fight no tank but all gank. catalyst take the number 1, i get intys and afs try 2 gang me, adn i gang them :p highs full rack of neutrons meds web + mwd lows = 1 x dmge control and a reactor control and cpu upgrade this might look crap but it puts out some serious dps adn breakes the best af's tank wasy :) wardeneo If brute force doesn't work..... your not using enough :)
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:06:00 - [50] I want to get the ballz to bring my arty trasher out. Just don't want to get jumped on by a decent rifter pilot.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Raven or Drake. Most people think that those are for PvE only. Funnily enough Drake is the ship I most often encounter, and they always fail to impress me. I'd nominate it for the most overrated ship, actually. Granted, an ECM fit might be a good surprise in a gang, but the surprise is short lived because after it jams something it'll get primaried anyway. While not the most underrated, Nighthawk is a lot better than a lot of people seem to think. Blaster Vulture is also pretty underrated, aswell as Rail Astarte. --- CEO
Gypsio III Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:23:00 - [52] Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/02/2008 10:24:12 Quote: Funnily enough Drake is the ship I most often encounter, and they always fail to impress me. Most Drakes that I meet fail to impress me also, mainly because they're stupidly overtanked useless-brick PVE fits, or just hilariously badly fit. And that's why it's an underrated ship.
Zoe Zenith	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:26:00 - [53] Ishkur - Very good especially vs larger ships, get within 500m where they cant hit and let the drones fly!
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:28:00 - [54] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/02/2008 10:24:12 Quote: Funnily enough Drake is the ship I most often encounter, and they always fail to impress me. Most Drakes that I meet fail to impress me also, mainly because they're stupidly overtanked useless-brick PVE fits, or just hilariously badly fit. And that's why it's an underrated ship. Exactly. -- Gradient forum
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:34:00 - [55] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Gypsio III Drake, possibly? ECM Drake. 7 x heavy launchers 1 x 10mn mwd, 4 x racial jammers of your choice, 1 x large shield extender 3 x signature distortion amplifiers, 1 x damage control 5 x light ecm drones (or warriors) Preferably all tech 2, except the launchers (not enough cpu, and the firepower is not important anyway). I get around 6.5 jamming strength on racial jammers with my skills. I think it's 7 with maxed skills. I don't have any idea why you would do this other than for the WTF?! factor. . . Well, the Drake has the cpu for it, and as it says in the Drake's description: "the inclusion of sufficient CPU capabilities for decent electronic warfare goes without saying." It jams very well for a non-bonused ship, and yeah it's a surprise. In a larger battle they'll probably never even notice what you're doing. At the same time, you're adding a bit of mid-range dps to the fight and you still have a little bit of a buffer.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:36:00 - [56] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/02/2008 10:24:12 Quote: Funnily enough Drake is the ship I most often encounter, and they always fail to impress me. Most Drakes that I meet fail to impress me also, mainly because they're stupidly overtanked useless-brick PVE fits, or just hilariously badly fit. And that's why it's an underrated ship. I guess you have a point. A standard T2 fit Myrmidon still outperforms a well fitted drake, though, so their potential to surprise isn't that great. This is what I get out of my drake when I try and take more damage out of it, it falls 200 DPS short of my Myrmi while tanking 200 DPS more with crystals (and I'd guess pretty much the same without them). And it doesn't have propulsion or a web, so it's not as good for solo and nigh unusable in 0.0. Now admittedly missiles are good for their own reasons, but it fails to make up for the difference really. If you have a setup that brings Drake on par, though, I'd be interested in seeing it. --- CEO
Gypsio III Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.04 10:51:00 - [57] Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/02/2008 10:52:00 Jin - plug this into EFT and see how you like it: 7x HAM II 2x Inv II, LSE II, web, scram, MWD DC II, 3x BCS II Drones of choice Requires a 3% PG implant Shield hardener (cheap) or extender (less cheap!) rigs Full tackle, 600+ DPS, up to 80k EHP buffer tank with meaningful passive regen.
Jin Entres Malevolent Intervention	Posted - 2008.02.04 12:16:00 - [58] Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 04/02/2008 10:52:00 Jin - plug this into EFT and see how you like it: 7x HAM II 2x Inv II, LSE II, web, scram, MWD DC II, 3x BCS II Drones of choice Requires a 3% PG implant Shield hardener (cheap) or extender (less cheap!) rigs Full tackle, 600+ DPS, up to 80k EHP buffer tank with meaningful passive regen. Not bad, I like it. Now I just have to train for T2 HAMs. --- CEO
Zacheria Malfor Gallente Deathwatch Inc. Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.02.04 12:22:00 - [59] For me it would have to be the Apoc, despite all the whining about this ship, I love my fitting. /Zach Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
UGLYUGLY	Posted - 2008.02.04 12:43:00 - [60] Prorator, Has an awesome tank and can chew the arse out of t2 frigs and t1 cruisers (slowly).
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.04 13:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Dalen III Ferox is pretty interesting in its recent boost. That said real legit non eft warriors should apply. which boost - i regularly slate the ferox as being pants but if someone thinks it has a good setup id be interested to hear it :) ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.04 13:26:00 - [62] Originally by: Polly Prissypantz Originally by: Ararius Originally by: Prolixj2 i'd have to say ferox, everyone laughs at the ferox QFT Berox CAN pump out some decent Dps... but it takes a bit to get it to work out >< The problem with the Ferox is that no matter how you set it up (as a blaster boat with tackle), the Brutix will always outclass it in damage output and tank. Which is sad. And using Ferox as some sort of 'sniper' is mostly wasted effort since your range and damage is going to suck. Now... With the upcoming Moa/Eagle/Ferox changes, the Ferox will hopefully be a bit more formidable. what changes?? tell xsag =) ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.04 13:41:00 - [63] Originally by: Pan Dora Originally by: Gen Kumon Originally by: Derek Sigres I don't have any idea why you would do this other than for the WTF?! factor. . . Mostly because no one ever primaries a Drake. Blackbird may jam better, but it's also usually the first ship targeted, so it may not get a chance to jam at all. The Drake, however, would almost certainly get at least one good cycle off before being noticed. mmm use a raven for ecm....or how about a scorp =) (isnt what they were designed for?) =) why not a raven then? you may get better 'tank', beter 'damage', better 'ecm strng', better target range. And more important, the same WTF factor with small chance to be primaried. ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.04 13:46:00 - [64] Originally by: Jin Entres Originally by: Theron Gyrow Raven or Drake. Most people think that those are for PvE only. Funnily enough Drake is the ship I most often encounter, and they always fail to impress me. I'd nominate it for the most overrated ship, actually. Granted, an ECM fit might be a good surprise in a gang, but the surprise is short lived because after it jams something it'll get primaried anyway. While not the most underrated, Nighthawk is a lot better than a lot of people seem to think. Blaster Vulture is also pretty underrated, aswell as Rail Astarte. i dunno i think the drake is a good ship when u focus it in one area - i have a drake with a shield recharge rate of 99secs for example (i think i more did it just to see how low i could get it) =) ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~

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