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Cygore
Amarr
Death Cult Armageddon
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:51:00 -
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Been lookin for a decent setup but couldn't find any for this ship and was wonderin if this would be any good...
5x Heavy Missile Launcher II + Scourge Fury Missiles
2x Invuln II
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amp II
Medium Cap Booster II + 400 Charges
2x BCU II
2x PDU II
Damage Control II
2x Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Hobgoblin II
Looked in EFT with my skills this gives me 66/87/88/89 resists and the cap lasts just over 6 minutes, not taking into account wether i'm being nossed/neut, 381 DPS.
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Klavayne
Free Mercenaries Union
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:43:00 -
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Looks about standard, couple of suggestions though: A sixth heavy missile launcher might come in useful. And the core purger rigs won't do you much good without the rest of a passive tank in place, either go with extenders for more buffer or cap modules for extended use of the booster.
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Cygore
Amarr
Death Cult Armageddon
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Posted - 2008.02.03 20:23:00 -
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lol oops that was meant to say 6 launchers >.< the CCC rigs would probably be swapped in, my shield skills aren't all that good yet :\
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:26:00 -
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I'm afraid there isn't one.
Every time I look at PvP setups for the nighthawk, I find myself realising that the Drake can do the same thing, better. OK, there's -some- things, but ... well, the difference in pricetag tips the balance strongly.
I'm afraid your setup ... I think a little lacking - you're a brick with a tank and really not all that great damage output.
Even assuming you have tackler support (because you'll need it - you have no speed mod, web or point) you're still.... well, not doing very much in the 'DPS' role, either.
I've tried on several occasions, and each time I've found the Drake just plain better - it has way more grid, it had 6 mids, 4 lows, and it has an extra rigslot.
For bonus points, it's also a lot cheaper.
Oh, and FWIW, CN missiles are way better than furys.
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Ollie Razor
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:53:00 -
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There are good PVP setups for the Nighthawk. A Nighthawk can tank any other CMD ship or BS without a problem. However to do this you need a crystal implant set and a faction large shield booster.
With a good setup you can get:
Resists of: 66/86/83/82.
You can boost 370 Shield every 2.7 seconds.
Med cap booster T2 with 800's.
MWD and Disrupter T2.
400 DPS.
The down side to this is the total setup ( not including crystal set ) will cost around 280mil isk...
And for the record, the setup im using means the tank is 2x better than the passive drake with ccc rigs, and does nearly 2x the DPS of a passive drake. ( does cost 3x the cost of a passive drake setup  )
Hope this helps,
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Stefan F
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:06:00 -
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I have to concur with Ollie, injected active tank + crystal set gives you a great tank.
This would be my active setup:
6x hml II
LSBII, SBAII, Invul t2,T2 EM hardener, med. cap injector (800 charges)
3x BCS II, DCII, power diagnostic II
for rigs either 2xccc or kin + therm rigs.
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:09:00 -
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 Originally by: James Lyrus
I've tried on several occasions, and each time I've found the Drake just plain better - it has way more grid, it had 6 mids, 4 lows, and it has an extra rigslot.
QFT sadly. If the NH got a 7th Missile Slot and some extra fitting it could shine, but now it's somewhat restricted in PvP due to it being Drake 1.05 =/
However, my corp mate is trying out an Active Tanked HAM setup (with a MWD). . .
Ill be watching him closely 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/02/2008 03:42:46
Sadly, THIS is more or less as good as it gets.
I mean, for a "cheap fit" NH, with decent firepower.
Yeah, a Drake would be arguably almost as good, and much cheaper too.
If you go dip into crystal sets and faction shield boosters, ANY ship can be awesome.
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Shiodome
Caldari
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.02.04 07:49:00 -
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it's a silly ship, with no speed or point. fly a vulture and actually be useful.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.02.04 07:57:00 -
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I dont think the nighthawk is good for pvp. the drake can the same for less iskies.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.04 08:23:00 -
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RE: posted setup: lacks gang mod. Lacks MWD. Not PvP ship.
Seriously, unless the Nighthawk gets about +500 grid, it's a terrible PvP ship. Fly a Cerberus or Vulture, or just upgrade to a Raven.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.04 08:26:00 -
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Active tank + MWD + HAM = win.
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
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Posted - 2008.02.04 08:35:00 -
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the nighthawk can be used effectively as a pvp ship, although it lacks the solo-abilities as most caldari-ships....nevertheless the nighthawk's dps is far better than the drake's....rof-bonus.....as it got far better-basis-resistances, a gank setup can be accomplished more easily as the five low slots allow 3 bcs and 2pdu (or 1pdu/1dc) and you need not as many additional resistances like the drake (which make at least the 6th med slot of the drake being not important for the comparison)....but besides the all-time comparison to the weaker drake (cheaper o0...., your gang mates who have to die cause your damage sucks will thank you for choosing the cheap ship...tbh why should anyone use t2 ships if all people are only interested in getting into cheap, insurable ships.....???
in pvp, use the best you can field according to the given situation.....)...
the nighthawk got its uses, e.g. as the missiles got precision bonus it is of good use vs. frigs, interdictors and cruiser-sized ships, got a good range with hm etc.....
@ cygore:your fitting is ok, i'd use the following:
a) damage:
highs:....same
meds: 1x mwd, 1x med cap booster, 1x invu field, 1x mag amp, 1x large sb
lows: 4x bcs, 1x pdu
rigs: 2x ancillary current router
(good damage, nice alpha, tank better than the one of an absolution with heat sinks, stable cap)
b) allround:
highs:.....same
meds: 1x mwd, 1x invu field, 1x mag amp, 1x shield boost amp, 1x large sb
lows: 3x bcs,2x pdu
rigs: 2x em resis
(good tank for 2minutes, but which fight lasts longer when you are primaried....damage per second is a bit worse but not much, around 33dps less)
i'd rather go with the second fitting as it is more balanced....
what really sucks on the nighthawk and on many other caldari ships is that the combined fitting of mwd and cap booster is nearly ridiculous due to the lack of grid and the neccessaty to open the tank....like in the first fitting: 33dps more, 150 dps less tank...
regards kira
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Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:21:00 -
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HM Gank + Tank (upgrade to SBA II if you have Shield Management V which I'm training atm). Not suitable for 0.0 due to lack of MWD, otherwise very useful for spamming missiles to virtually any reasonable combat range while tanking an impressive amount.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.04 11:52:00 -
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Yeah - the Nighthawk is only good for gangwork (though everything is possible).
* It really lacks powergrid for the ability to fit HAMs
* It doesn't have good dps
* Only has 5 medslots - should at least have 6 like Vulture & Drake
But hey - it's a nice ship in the really really small niche it has...
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Active tank + MWD + HAM = win.
Active tank + MWD + HAM = less dps than heavy missiles = fail. Now, it would be win if you could actually fit all of that without using all of your lows for RCUs, but the increased HAM damage is completely offset by the loss in BCUs.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:13:00 -
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Actually, active HAM NH does fit, and you get can get 3x BCS II on it as well.
The problem is that there's no room for a gang mod, which is kinda the point of a command ship...
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Actually, active HAM NH does fit, and you get can get 3x BCS II on it as well.
The problem is that there's no room for a gang mod, which is kinda the point of a command ship...
Exactly. If you aren't going to fit a gang mod, just fly a Raven or Drake.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:41:00 -
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Yeah. Ok, HAM NH gets a bit more DPS, and a lot more tank, relative to the Drake, but it's not a convincing use of 200 mill.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:00:00 -
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Simi/nano HAM Cerb for PvP. Cheaper, better DPS than a HM NH and has decent range.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Actually, active HAM NH does fit, and you get can get 3x BCS II on it as well.
The problem is that there's no room for a gang mod, which is kinda the point of a command ship...
It does?
Do you mean with fittings mods?
6x Heavy II + 10m MWD II = 845/887 grid, which is getting pretty tight for your tanking.
An RCU II is enough to bump you grid up to the point of using an LSB II becomes possible I guess.
You'll need two if you want an injector though...
Size of tank and dps seems not all that stunning, given you've essentially got no 'helping the gang' mods (be it tackle, or gang assist).
*shrug*.
Bit better than Drake, yes, I'll grant. 190mil better? No, I think not.
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:05:00 -
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if you want to save money, fly ibis
if you want to fly pvp, use the best you can, at least if you are flying in a gang....in pvp you are responsible for everyone of your gangmates...dont let them suffer cause' of this strange phSnomen called "carebearing"....
if you have to choose nighthawk or drake, take the nighthawk, its better....if you cant afford a nighthawk cause you got difficulties in making isk....look for methods to make it, as any good pvper needs to be able to supply herself/himself, but for sure, dont fly in ships you cant buy again....
regards
kira
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:05:00 -
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Well, the fit I was looking at was:
6x HAM II
Named MWD, LSB II, medium electro cap booster, 2x stuff
RCU II, DC II, 3x BCS II
ACR rig, some other rig
Takes AWU V (lol) and a 5% PG implant (double lol).
It's completely ridiculous that this ship needs 33% more PG to just fit that. A gang mod is out of the question.
Alternatively, Caldari Navy HAMLs have nicer PG requirements. They seem to cost about 16 mill each, based on tag prices.
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