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Destructive Power	Posted - 2008.02.04 16:55:00 - [1] Ok im English, and I watched a bit of the superbowl last night. OMG it was the most amazing pile of crap I've ever seen. The game itself isn't that bad, albeit its complicated, I didn't have a clue what was going on (I didn't when I first watched rugby but I still enjoyed it). It's the fact that...they start playing for about 30 seconds and then it just stops and they run off the field for 15 minutes...WTF? I dont know how anybody could bear watching that sport of advertisements, and how ANYBODY could say its tougher than rugby. The only thing american football has in is big hits, which I didn't see many of anyways. In rugby your being mauled non-stop by some 6 ft 3 18 stone beast and getting stamped on with bladed boots. Just my thoughts on what I saw...hopefully I will never see it ever again. Theres a reason these baseball and american football are only popular in america...and I've seen it tonight.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:09:00 - [2] This man speaks truth,
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:43:00 - [3] This man speaks truth,
Cadhla Ovsanna Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.04 17:46:00 - [4] rofl XD made me laugh Gasp!
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:07:00 - [5] In before the lock! Wow, more American hate. I find it ironic that he's making fun of an American game when we can point solidly to Cricket (sp?) and still laugh. Different cultures have different likes and games to suit them. The fact that you play EvE and a few hundred million people decide they would rather play another MMO (WoW, Lineage, UO, SWG, various chinese mmo's) should have keyed you off to that. But nope, you just had to make another one of "those" posts.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Keorythe In before the lock! Wow, more American hate. I find it ironic that he's making fun of an American game when we can point solidly to Cricket (sp?) and still laugh. Different cultures have different likes and games to suit them. The fact that you play EvE and a few hundred million people decide they would rather play another MMO (WoW, Lineage, UO, SWG, various chinese mmo's) should have keyed you off to that. But nope, you just had to make another one of "those" posts. Cricket is just Baseball with a tea break. Personally, I find both a little dull. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Destructive Power	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Keorythe In before the lock! Wow, more American hate. I find it ironic that he's making fun of an American game when we can point solidly to Cricket (sp?) and still laugh. Different cultures have different likes and games to suit them. The fact that you play EvE and a few hundred million people decide they would rather play another MMO (WoW, Lineage, UO, SWG, various chinese mmo's) should have keyed you off to that. But nope, you just had to make another one of "those" posts. Cricket is just Baseball with a tea break. Personally, I find both a little dull. Cricket is a good summer game with a great atmosphere. I saw a statistic somewhere, in a baseball game that was one and a half hours long, there was 9 minutes of total play. Can't say the same about cricket, at least your watching a sport, and a skillfull and popular one at that.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Destructive Power I saw a statistic somewhere. Bad troll is bad Unsuitable signature removed. Navgator Do you realize how long it took me to size that right to use!?!?!?!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Patch86 on 04/02/2008 19:27:35 Originally by: Destructive Power Cricket is a good summer game with a great atmosphere. I saw a statistic somewhere, in a baseball game that was one and a half hours long, there was 9 minutes of total play. Can't say the same about cricket, at least your watching a sport, and a skillfull and popular one at that. Being a Brit, I've obviously watched and played a lot more Cricket, but I have seen and played a fair few Baseball games too. I probably enjoy Cricket more on the whole, but I rarely have the patience for a whole one-day (let alone a 5 day Test). Twenty20 is promising, though. EDIT: Handy Wikipedia link that just entertained me for 10 minute. ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Escorts of Eve HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:27:00 - [10] I hate American Football, but I believe its more dangerous than Rugby. All the armour they wear allows them to hit much harder making it more brutal. ------ Any factual errors or mistakes in spelling and grammar should be attributed solely to me and not my nation of origin.
ajduB Minmatar Militaris Industries	Posted - 2008.02.04 19:33:00 - [11] Having played both, no where near a professional level, both have good and bad. Rugby, while a tough sport that requires a high level of physical strength, American Football is fast, hard hitting and a lot more dangerous. The level of hitting us much harder in AF but both are great games. Originally by: Jim Lovell Adjub im Shocked!
Destructive Power	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:07:00 - [12] Im not denying that american football has bigger hits, but the players of american football are more steroid aided "tools" more than sportsmen, somebody said that the average career of an american football player was about 3 and a half years? (might be wrong). But rugby is in general much more of a mans game without a doubt. If you think rugby doesn't have big hits also, check out this link. Big Rugby Hits
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Destructive Power Big Rugby Hits ow. oh and after I've seen my home country (portugal) rugby team (the only amateur team ever to get into the world cup) I can say this: taking a hit from one of thos guys is sure medicine to go straight to the hospital. --- planetary interaction idea!
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.04 21:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Destructive Power Ok im English, and I watched a bit of the superbowl last night. OMG it was the most amazing pile of crap I've ever seen. The game itself isn't that bad, albeit its complicated, I didn't have a clue what was going on (I didn't when I first watched rugby but I still enjoyed it). It's the fact that...they start playing for about 30 seconds and then it just stops and they run off the field for 15 minutes...WTF? I dont know how anybody could bear watching that sport of advertisements, and how ANYBODY could say its tougher than rugby. The only thing american football has in is big hits, which I didn't see many of anyways. In rugby your being mauled non-stop by some 6 ft 3 18 stone beast and getting stamped on with bladed boots. Just my thoughts on what I saw...hopefully I will never see it ever again. Theres a reason these baseball and american football are only popular in america...and I've seen it tonight. Yeah, the superbowl isnt the game to watch if you are a first time watcher. The NFL is pimping the **** out of it right now because its being watched in 30 countries and 22 languages. So there are breaks in the game just for comercial air time. Half time is also twice as long. It sucks. A tid bit though...Quenton Jammer wieghs like a 150 lbs at corner back. When he hits you at full speed, he delivers almost 5000 lbs of impact force. That is why they wear titanic pads in football. Rugby is a heavily physical contact sport. Football is impact. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Battou Caldari Slacker Industries	Posted - 2008.02.04 21:54:00 - [15] As a colonial myself I love American football. But even the NFL Superbowl bored me to tears except for maybe the last 1 minute of the game. If you want to see real American football then tune in to some of the college games, thats where the real action is at. Summary: I'm American, I love football, I find the NFL extremely boring, watch the collegiate level. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed amount of win -Hango ([email protected])
Eamane Surion	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Destructive Power It's the fact that...they start playing for about 30 seconds and then it just stops and they run off the field for 15 minutes...WTF? I dont know how anybody could bear watching that sport of advertisements, One word: TIVO Nobody watches ads anymore. The entire playtime of any pro football game is about 40 minutes of non-stop action with a few 'bloop bloop bloops' of 30 second skip in between.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Keorythe In before the lock! Wow, more American hate. I find it ironic that he's making fun of an American game when we can point solidly to Cricket (sp?) and still laugh. Different cultures have different likes and games to suit them. The fact that you play EvE and a few hundred million people decide they would rather play another MMO (WoW, Lineage, UO, SWG, various chinese mmo's) should have keyed you off to that. But nope, you just had to make another one of "those" posts. Cricket is just Baseball with a tea break. Personally, I find both a little dull. See, cricket is about tea, baseball is about beer. Just think of a baseball park as a different sort of pub and it will go much better for you. Even though I like tea I vote for baseball myself.
Destructive Power	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Keorythe In before the lock! Wow, more American hate. I find it ironic that he's making fun of an American game when we can point solidly to Cricket (sp?) and still laugh. Different cultures have different likes and games to suit them. The fact that you play EvE and a few hundred million people decide they would rather play another MMO (WoW, Lineage, UO, SWG, various chinese mmo's) should have keyed you off to that. But nope, you just had to make another one of "those" posts. Cricket is just Baseball with a tea break. Personally, I find both a little dull. See, cricket is about tea, baseball is about beer. Just think of a baseball park as a different sort of pub and it will go much better for you. Even though I like tea I vote for baseball myself. Yeah im pretty sure that the baseball players go and drink beer half way through the game...and im also sure cricket crowds sit there quietly sipping tea...
Destructive Power	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:59:00 - [19] Just another point, I never said the game was really bad. It was complicated, but when there was certain runs of play it was kinda interesting to watch...and when I got close to picking something up...WHACK a 30 minute break came on and it was like...wtf??
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:09:00 - [20] You got to hand it to them, having some of the dullest sports invented by man it has produced what is possibly the best sports commentators around. When I found out NHL night was getting domestic commentators on the cable channels it pretty much killed it for me, so horrible they are... Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:31:00 - [21] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 05/02/2008 00:34:42 Originally by: Destructive Power Edited by: Destructive Power on 04/02/2008 20:22:07 Im not denying that american football has bigger hits, but the players of american football are more steroid aided "tools" more than sportsmen, somebody said that the average career of an american football player was about 3 and a half years? (might be wrong). But rugby is in general much more of a mans game without a doubt. If you think rugby doesn't have big hits also, check out these linls. Big Rugby Hits More hits That is just wrong on many counts. Some may well use steroids but regardless they are all exceptional athletes at that level. The really big guys (offensive linemen)tend to be fat and huge. They are meant to be a hard to move wall. Defensive linemen are big as well to move that wall (like sumo wrestlers almost). Despite that they are remarkably quick. Willian "The Fridge" Perry was over 370 pounds and he could run a 50 yard dash faster than me and was able to jump higher (they tried hard to get him down to around 300 where he would have been devastating but never happened). Then you get to your running backs. Big yet quick and nimble. They use their size to run through the line and are still "small" (at around 200 pounds) to be agile and amazingly fast for their size. Here's Walter "Sweetness" Payton and Barry Sanders (two of the best runningbacks ever). They were amazing to watch and most definitely sportsmen of the highest caliber. Then you get wide receivers and kick/punt returners. These guys are just all speed. The Chicago Bears once had an Olympic class sprinter on their team as a receiver (sadly he did not have very good hands but when he did catch it he was gone). The Chicago Bears currently have Devin "The Windy City Flyer" Hester for kick returns and he looks to be the best ever (really...already set NFL records). He is insanely fast...when you think he is at top speed he's got more. He scares opposing teams so much now that they will kick short and spot the Bears 20+ yards just to keep it out of Hester's hands. So, I am missing where the lack of "sportsmen" is here. And in case you think American style football players are wimps consider that since the 1930's there have been over 1000 deaths attributed to playing football. Before that it was even more dangerous and the president of the United States (Teddy Roosevelt) threatened to ban the game unless they changed the rules (which they did). Even with pads and helmets and all they still hit damn hard. Trust me, you can put all the pads on you want and you will still know it when one of these guys steamrolls you.
Cadhla Ovsanna Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Destructive Power Just another point, I never said the game was really bad. It was complicated, but when there was certain runs of play it was kinda interesting to watch...and when I got close to picking something up...WHACK a 30 minute break came on and it was like...wtf?? rofl the halftime show hahaha which sucked tbh Don't Click Here!!
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:58:00 - [23] Are trolls allowed to feed other trolls? I'm never sure. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Xen Gin on 05/02/2008 01:16:25 Brit here. I prefer this, Rugby Union>Rugby League>American Football. I stayed up until 5am yesterday at our Superbowl party, just to watch the Pats defence and blockers suck, and Brady get sacked. AF is very similar to Rugby League, and is just a deviation of rules. The only problem I have with AF it that it takes 3hrs to watch a 1hr game, Also the amount of people around the field seems excessive. Someone (An American) said to me that AF is growing around the world, because the number watching the Super Bowl is increasing. But I think, while the numbers watching the SB is increasing, it isn't going go to overtake any other national sport (or even played professionally) in any other country, because a one off event is good, but every weekend is the problem at 3hrs long. Also the Half time show was bad. Whats with saying the Giants are world champions? Surely that status is only gained if you beat all the other national teams in the sport? It's like saying Canadians are world champions at being Canadians.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:28:00 - [25] I must agree with the OP. And that seems at odds with America's ADD lifestyle. Baseball is a bad example (it's been dwindling in popularity for a long time whereas the NFL has had stadiums with sold-out crowds for 30+ years straight), but AF's stop-and-go nature doesn't fit with the constant gratification image that you normally see in America's TV and movies. It's not like there aren't sports that aren't constantly on the move. The NHL is out there, but has taken some stumbles the last few years. Basketball is out there, and would be constantly moving if not for the fact that they get fouls every other shot. But AF is the one that gets all the headlines. I suspect the answer is that AF's rules work better with showing commercials with the game, so broadcasters feel better about giving it a good time slot. After a few generations of getting hooked on it, most Americans don't notice anymore that only 1 play in 10 is worth watching, and all those will be shown in the post-game show, anyway.
Dheorl Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.05 10:56:00 - [26] If you think rugby doesn't have big hits than you're missing something. I've seen guys go flying a good 2m after somebody hit into them in a tackle.
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2008.02.05 11:08:00 - [27] A good defensive hockey game is a million times more entertaining than a good defensive football game Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Ch Tang	Posted - 2008.02.05 11:36:00 - [28] 90% of the fun of football is getting with your friends for a party and yelling at the television on how everyone else is an ass and this is what play you would call. Plus Tivo is FTW.
Count Magnus Phoenix Industries Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 13:00:00 - [29] Edited by: Count Magnus on 05/02/2008 13:00:45 well after watching that superbowl thing i know there's nothing like rugby and why would anyone be watching it over here sure it's 6 nations time Linkage and sorry English types but i love this one Linkage
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.05 14:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Patch86 EDIT: Handy Wikipedia link that just entertained me for 10 minute. Surely you should have had that link, which in turn, leads it to the following link Baseball is only Rounders by another name says Wiki Dwi Cymraig According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are "absolute divine beings" and the original Pastafarians. Their image as "thieves and outcasts" is misinformation.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.05 15:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Keorythe I find it ironic that he's making fun of an American game when we can point solidly to Cricket (sp?) and still laugh. Not a fan of Cricket myself but I do have to say, there are a lot more Cricket fans in the world than Baseball fans! Anyways, we all enjoy making fun of Baseball because in the UK it's a girlÆs game called Rounders (Joke by the way). Also, how many countries take part in the World Series? I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.05 15:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Destructive Power ...I didn't have a clue what was going on... You never typed more truer words than this. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2008.02.05 17:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Hooch Flux Also, how many countries take part in the World Series? America is the world. Didn't you get the memo? More seriously, baseball is also popular in Cuba, Japan, and a handful of other countries, so it's not just an American thing.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari The Delta Source Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.02.05 17:36:00 - [34] The difference is that Japan makes it cool, funny, and Unsuitable signature removed. Navgator Do you realize how long it took me to size that right to use!?!?!?!
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:21:00 - [35] Gah you Europeans think watching American football is boring? Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Now im not dissing soccer (to much), i cannot run like they do and i have no idea how to kick a soccer ball properly. I can tell you that football is the ultimate team sport. In soccer, basketball, baseball, you can have 1 or two great players and have a awesome team. In football, if all 11 people are not on the same page, the quarter-back kicks the bucket. I will give you that it is confusing at first. Then again ive tried to understand cricket, but turn it to baseball after 15 mins... Heres a bit a trivia for ya. On average, the offensive line releases kinetic energy equal to a mach truck slamming into a brick wall at 30 miles an hour every play. Thats why offensive linemen are awesome... Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Bigeasy Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Funny that, considering its a 90 minute game... ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Bigeasy Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Funny that, considering its a 90 minute game... guess it feels like 3 hours Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Dheorl Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Bigeasy Gah you Europeans think watching American football is boring? Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Now im not dissing soccer (to much), i cannot run like they do and i have no idea how to kick a soccer ball properly. I can tell you that football is the ultimate team sport. In soccer, basketball, baseball, you can have 1 or two great players and have a awesome team. In football, if all 11 people are not on the same page, the quarter-back kicks the bucket. I will give you that it is confusing at first. Then again ive tried to understand cricket, but turn it to baseball after 15 mins... Heres a bit a trivia for ya. On average, the offensive line releases kinetic energy equal to a mach truck slamming into a brick wall at 30 miles an hour every play. Thats why offensive linemen are awesome... I'm not sure what you've been playing "soccer" wise (please call it football like the rest of the world does. What you call football is really just american football) but it shouldn't last 3 hours. Rugby relies just as much on the team as american football (because they are relatively similar). Also that bit of trivia isn't THAT impressive considering being hit by the David Haye (boxer for those who don't know) is about the same as being hit by a car at 46mph... and that's not with his strongest hand.
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Bigeasy Gah you Europeans think watching American football is boring? Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Now im not dissing soccer (to much), i cannot run like they do and i have no idea how to kick a soccer ball properly. I can tell you that football is the ultimate team sport. In soccer, basketball, baseball, you can have 1 or two great players and have a awesome team. In football, if all 11 people are not on the same page, the quarter-back kicks the bucket. I will give you that it is confusing at first. Then again ive tried to understand cricket, but turn it to baseball after 15 mins... Heres a bit a trivia for ya. On average, the offensive line releases kinetic energy equal to a mach truck slamming into a brick wall at 30 miles an hour every play. Thats why offensive linemen are awesome... I'm not sure what you've been playing "soccer" wise (please call it football like the rest of the world does. What you call football is really just american football) but it shouldn't last 3 hours. Rugby relies just as much on the team as american football (because they are relatively similar). Also that bit of trivia isn't THAT impressive considering being hit by the David Haye (boxer for those who don't know) is about the same as being hit by a car at 46mph... and that's not with his strongest hand. Hmm i guess you euro's dont know how big and heavy a mach truck is, but i will not push the issue further. The truth is we both believe we have the superior sport. I have a biased view because i played American (i will indulge you) football for 8 years before an injury force me to leave the sport. Never played socc..everone elses football. Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Bigeasy Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Bigeasy Gah you Europeans think watching American football is boring? Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Now im not dissing soccer (to much), i cannot run like they do and i have no idea how to kick a soccer ball properly. I can tell you that football is the ultimate team sport. In soccer, basketball, baseball, you can have 1 or two great players and have a awesome team. In football, if all 11 people are not on the same page, the quarter-back kicks the bucket. I will give you that it is confusing at first. Then again ive tried to understand cricket, but turn it to baseball after 15 mins... Heres a bit a trivia for ya. On average, the offensive line releases kinetic energy equal to a mach truck slamming into a brick wall at 30 miles an hour every play. Thats why offensive linemen are awesome... I'm not sure what you've been playing "soccer" wise (please call it football like the rest of the world does. What you call football is really just american football) but it shouldn't last 3 hours. Rugby relies just as much on the team as american football (because they are relatively similar). Also that bit of trivia isn't THAT impressive considering being hit by the David Haye (boxer for those who don't know) is about the same as being hit by a car at 46mph... and that's not with his strongest hand. Hmm i guess you euro's dont know how big and heavy a mach truck is, but i will not push the issue further. The truth is we both believe we have the superior sport. I have a biased view because i played American (i will indulge you) football for 8 years before an injury force me to leave the sport. Never played socc..everone elses football. Ever "played" boxing? No, I haven't either. Bet that hurts more, though. ...I've forgotten what the point of this discussion was. People can enjoy whatever sport they god damn please, I don't see why we have to argue "who's sport is better". I like Rugby more than American Football. Lots of people (Americans, for one) like American Football more than Rugby. Loads of people like Football (soccer) more than both. Who cares? ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Bigeasy Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Bigeasy Gah you Europeans think watching American football is boring? Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Now im not dissing soccer (to much), i cannot run like they do and i have no idea how to kick a soccer ball properly. I can tell you that football is the ultimate team sport. In soccer, basketball, baseball, you can have 1 or two great players and have a awesome team. In football, if all 11 people are not on the same page, the quarter-back kicks the bucket. I will give you that it is confusing at first. Then again ive tried to understand cricket, but turn it to baseball after 15 mins... Heres a bit a trivia for ya. On average, the offensive line releases kinetic energy equal to a mach truck slamming into a brick wall at 30 miles an hour every play. Thats why offensive linemen are awesome... I'm not sure what you've been playing "soccer" wise (please call it football like the rest of the world does. What you call football is really just american football) but it shouldn't last 3 hours. Rugby relies just as much on the team as american football (because they are relatively similar). Also that bit of trivia isn't THAT impressive considering being hit by the David Haye (boxer for those who don't know) is about the same as being hit by a car at 46mph... and that's not with his strongest hand. Hmm i guess you euro's dont know how big and heavy a mach truck is, but i will not push the issue further. The truth is we both believe we have the superior sport. I have a biased view because i played American (i will indulge you) football for 8 years before an injury force me to leave the sport. Never played socc..everone elses football. Ever "played" boxing? No, I haven't either. Bet that hurts more, though. ...I've forgotten what the point of this discussion was. People can enjoy whatever sport they god damn please, I don't see why we have to argue "who's sport is better". I like Rugby more than American Football. Lots of people (Americans, for one) like American Football more than Rugby. Loads of people like Football (soccer) more than both. Who cares? Ill /sign that, but soccer lovers still have a foot fetish Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Dheorl Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Bigeasy Originally by: Dheorl Originally by: Bigeasy Gah you Europeans think watching American football is boring? Ive tried soccer, its 3 hours of people playing kickball occasionally knocking them in between 2 posts and a net. Now im not dissing soccer (to much), i cannot run like they do and i have no idea how to kick a soccer ball properly. I can tell you that football is the ultimate team sport. In soccer, basketball, baseball, you can have 1 or two great players and have a awesome team. In football, if all 11 people are not on the same page, the quarter-back kicks the bucket. I will give you that it is confusing at first. Then again ive tried to understand cricket, but turn it to baseball after 15 mins... Heres a bit a trivia for ya. On average, the offensive line releases kinetic energy equal to a mach truck slamming into a brick wall at 30 miles an hour every play. Thats why offensive linemen are awesome... I'm not sure what you've been playing "soccer" wise (please call it football like the rest of the world does. What you call football is really just american football) but it shouldn't last 3 hours. Rugby relies just as much on the team as american football (because they are relatively similar). Also that bit of trivia isn't THAT impressive considering being hit by the David Haye (boxer for those who don't know) is about the same as being hit by a car at 46mph... and that's not with his strongest hand. Hmm i guess you euro's dont know how big and heavy a mach truck is, but i will not push the issue further. It's still a whole line of people using they're whole bodies compared to 1 boxer with 1 weak fist. Just saying that put as you did it's really not very impressive. Btw, I don't think football is superior to much either but meh, I'm more of a rugby person (although admitidly only 'cause I'm fast so rarely get tackled)
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:10:00 - [43] It depends on what you play growing up I think. I have played most all of the sports mentioned here (rugby not that much, but enough to know that it is a very ***** hard game to play well) I grew up playing soccer, football, and baseball. They are all great sports IMO. Hockey is a whole different animal to me because I havent played it and therefore barely understand the rules and thus have a hard time figuring out what team is dominating and strategy and such. Its even hard to realize just how superhuman such and such move this guy did because I have never skated and dont really know. Because of these reasons, I dont watch it very often...I enjoy it, but not as much as sports I understand. My wife has never played soccer or even seen the game before she met me. This sport and baseball to her when I watch it is a sure fire way to put her to sleep at night because it bores the out of her. She grew up around a family that was football nuts and picked up the game growing up and eventhough she has never played it, she can sit down and get entertainment out of it. So I cant speak for hockey, it looks like a cool game, but for the soccer bashers that have never played... no sport ever invented will take more out of you than that game. The amount of physical endurance you have to have to play is extraordinary. When you are blowing your guts out, try passing the ball even a short distance accurately on a give and go. Try playing the game after a forward knees you on top of your quad 3 or 4 times to slow you down. All while this is happening, you must possess the ability to think 3 or 4 blocks down the road, not get tunnel vision so that you pass off the the right player. For the American Football haters, you just wont understand the game without someone knowledgable explaining to you that the announcers are talking out of their ass and that 90% of the game has nothing to do with who has the football. If you watch the ball, you will never understand the game. Football in essence is a nerd game, eventhough it is played by incredibly strong and blindingly fast people, it is far more complicated than chess and the people that coach it have genius IQs. Baseball...prettymuch anyone can play the game well. Jim Abbottwas one of my childhood heroes. While he never did win the CY Young (award that defines you as the best pitcher in baseball in a season) he was up against some of arguably the best pitchers of all time. He had one arm! Baseball is a game of mental focus and will really ** you off the most out of any sport because the name of the game is playing to perfection. Hitting a major league curve ball is the hardest thing to do in any sport. The ball leaves the pitchers hand and breaks about 6 feet in 4 tenths of a second. That is about as fast as a blink of an eye. Baseball is an easy game to play, but impossible to play perfectly. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Dheorl Btw, I don't think football is superior to much either but meh, I'm more of a rugby person (although admitidly only 'cause I'm fast so rarely get tackled) I was on the line, i hit someone every play. Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:19:00 - [45] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 06/02/2008 01:25:11 Originally by: Patch86 ...I've forgotten what the point of this discussion was. People can enjoy whatever sport they god damn please, I don't see why we have to argue "who's sport is better". I like Rugby more than American Football. Lots of people (Americans, for one) like American Football more than Rugby. Loads of people like Football (soccer) more than both. Who cares? The poster was upset that an American sport was being broadcast outside of the USA, and so him and those that think like him used this as another opportunity to rant their silly ant-American view - but taking to to sports this time. I doubt many Americans will even comment in this thread because it go so stupid, so fast starting with the OP. It would be pointless for example, to actually explain the game's mechanics and the purpose of the different positions because the OP doesn't care. Like most anti-american rants - the same topic get reposted every couple of weeks or months. There was already a detailed thread about how football is played. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Dheorl Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Bigeasy Originally by: Dheorl Btw, I don't think football is superior to much either but meh, I'm more of a rugby person (although admitidly only 'cause I'm fast so rarely get tackled) I was on the line, i hit someone every play. Online macho boasting... I like it. Tbh I really don't care. The fact that I woss out of big tackles doesn't make me any less useful to the team.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:41:00 - [47] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 06/02/2008 01:42:40 London Blitz and the rest of the BAFL in the UK Sorry OP. The Germans have a league or leagues. One year, they sent some 30 players to my local University for training with their team. They had their idea of how the game is played, then learned how we play it and the separate mindsets needed for difference positions, and after the 8 week course, they became monsters. I mean monsters. The opening scrimmage was open to the public. The courses ended with another open public scrimmage of mixed teams. I pitied the players those Germans played when they went back. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:48:00 - [48] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 06/02/2008 01:42:40 London Blitz and the rest of the BAFL in the UK Sorry OP. The Germans have a league or leagues. One year, they sent some 30 players to my local University for training with their team. They had their idea of how the game is played, then learned how we play it and the separate mindsets needed for difference positions, and after the 8 week course, they became monsters. I mean monsters. The opening scrimmage was open to the public. The courses ended with another open public scrimmage of mixed teams. I pitied the players those Germans played when they went back. I have to admit, they have way better names than NFL teams. Americans cant name teams for **** in any sport. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 01:59:00 - [49] Well - here it is, the British American Football Association's official website about "getting into American Football" getintoamericanfootball.com The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Maverick479 Caldari Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:48:00 - [50] I'm scottish. And personally, I love American Football. Behind Football. I love playing Madden etc, so I know most of the rules and all that. But really, why does it take so long? Why do they need to play only 10 seconds per a minute or something? Why not after one play, they pick up the ball and play the next? Rather than requiring a 5 minute break or whatever. The game is shorter than a game of football. Overall, with breaks, it should about the same length as a football game. Only thing that bugs me about, I can't stand watching an entire game, even though I enjoy it ... Just how can they make it last so long? And what's the point? /Mav
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:54:00 - [51] American Football is tortuously slow, but i'll happily watch cricket with a beer on a sunny day. different strokes, innit. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2008.02.06 14:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Bigeasy Originally by: Dheorl Btw, I don't think football is superior to much either but meh, I'm more of a rugby person (although admitidly only 'cause I'm fast so rarely get tackled) I was on the line, i hit someone every play. I played loose head prop. I got hit in every tackle. Although hitting them back was pretty fun enough! Also having 3-4 guys trying to take you down is pretty funny.
Zylatis Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Zylatis on 06/02/2008 15:12:18 Rugby is definitely more interesting to watch AND play than gridiron. Aside from the actual amount of play time involved it seems stupid to call it football when its barely ever kicked and the idea that anyone can tackle anyone, within reason, seems kind of brutish and pointless (ie brutish for a reason is fine). Also i hate league and gridiron is a lot like league, ie get tackeled and play stops. I find that really, really boring. Having rolling mauls and guys getting hit just as they hospital pass to someone else is awesome to watch in rugby, you get a real sense of flow. If i want to watch two morons wearing armour run down a hill and bang into each other ill get out a book on the middle ages. As for the body armour thing, i think if you got a rugby player and a gridiron player to each do a tackle on each other without the pads and stuff, the rugby player would get up with a lot more ease afterwards just given the fact that, as previously mentioned, getting a boot in your face and back during a ruck kind of toughens up ONTOP of getting faceplanted and spear tackeled every 10 minutes makes you pretty resiliant. And when youre on the bottom of a collapsed ruck or scrum with 4 guys each 110kg + on top, well **** if youre alive after that you got my respect. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Zylatis Edited by: Zylatis on 06/02/2008 15:12:18 it seems stupid to call it football when its barely ever kicked Its a common mistake to think that "football" comes from the fact you kick it with your feet. A more likely etymology is that it refers to the fact that the game was played on foot- an important distinction back at it's medieval origins, when the most popular sports among the nobles were all horse-back sports. Some of the earliest known English uses of the phrase refer to games that were much closer to American Football / Rugby than "soccer". To lift a quote from Wikipedia: Originally by: William Hone, on "Foot-Ball" The game was this: he who at any time got the ball into his hands, run [sic] with it till overtaken by one of the opposite part; and then, if he could shake himself loose from those on the opposite side who seized him, he run on; if not, he threw the ball from him, unless it was wrested from him by the other party, but no person was allowed to kick it.[6] ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 20:23:00 - [55] Originally by: Maverick479 But really, why does it take so long? Why do they need to play only 10 seconds per a minute or something? The games and TV does not show it - but football is a game of hard hits and tackles. TV never really shows the literal fights between the linemen. Its exhausting. At the end of each play there is typically a receiver down field at least 30 yards, and needs to come back. It isn't soccer, these guys are wearing all sorts of protective gear where one aim of the tacklers is to injure the other players out of the game. The "kit/gear" only protects you so much. So the team needs to come back, and then call the the play, and then get into formation. The "pre-play" clock allows enough time for the offensive team to get into their formation and then change the play based on the defensive formation which really only alters a play a little bit or calls a different primary receiver or runner. The game clock is only stopped when the ball goes out of bounds, a penalty, incomplete or score. After that the referees places the ball (very fast if play is in bounds) then the offensive team has specific amount of time to snap the ball after the referees signal. Then the clock starts again. Only televised games may get commercial breaks where both teams have a timeout of about a minute but can't discuss plays with coaches, and these are usually planned in advance with the referees. I really do not understand the complaints of football taking too long. Maybe its because I played it. And every play takes everything out of you. After the huddle, the players are just able to catch their breaths again and it starts all over. Its isn't soccer where the players just run around. There is no way to keep moving in a game of football for 60 minuets. Yes there is a halftime break, that when players get re-wrapped and the previous half is analyzed and coaches are explaining to you everything your opposing player does for you to get around from their skybox view. In football, everyone gets hit on every play, even wide receivers, they will get hit/blocked by defense to slow them down and throw the called route off of timing. Once you actually strap on some gear it will make sense. Not flag football, but actual football. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Originally by: Maverick479 But really, why does it take so long? Why do they need to play only 10 seconds per a minute or something? The games and TV does not show it - but football is a game of hard hits and tackles. TV never really shows the literal fights between the linemen. Its exhausting. At the end of each play there is typically a receiver down field at least 30 yards, and needs to come back. It isn't soccer, these guys are wearing all sorts of protective gear where one aim of the tacklers is to injure the other players out of the game. The "kit/gear" only protects you so much. So the team needs to come back, and then call the the play, and then get into formation. The "pre-play" clock allows enough time for the offensive team to get into their formation and then change the play based on the defensive formation which really only alters a play a little bit or calls a different primary receiver or runner. The game clock is only stopped when the ball goes out of bounds, a penalty, incomplete or score. After that the referees places the ball (very fast if play is in bounds) then the offensive team has specific amount of time to snap the ball after the referees signal. Then the clock starts again. Only televised games may get commercial breaks where both teams have a timeout of about a minute but can't discuss plays with coaches, and these are usually planned in advance with the referees. I really do not understand the complaints of football taking too long. Maybe its because I played it. And every play takes everything out of you. After the huddle, the players are just able to catch their breaths again and it starts all over. Its isn't soccer where the players just run around. There is no way to keep moving in a game of football for 60 minuets. Yes there is a halftime break, that when players get re-wrapped and the previous half is analyzed and coaches are explaining to you everything your opposing player does for you to get around from their skybox view. In football, everyone gets hit on every play, even wide receivers, they will get hit/blocked by defense to slow them down and throw the called route off of timing. Once you actually strap on some gear it will make sense. Not flag football, but actual football. Finally someone who has actually played the sport! The NFL...how can i put this...to me is not like real football. The athlets are the best of the best, but anything that is commercialized as much as professional sports looses something. If you want to watch real football, go to a highschool game. There is no large paycheck or cameras, the equipment is usually sub par and its defenatly not as flashy. However, when you get two teams that really don't like each other and only purpose to be on the field is to cause the other team as much pain as possible and have bragging rights for a year, magic happens. That magic is usually quite brutal, and awesome. I think (and hope) that it is like this with any sport. Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:15:00 - [57] Edited by: Rialtor on 06/02/2008 23:21:54 I think to those of you that criticize the stop and go action in American Football are missing the point entirely. American football is a very strategic game. All the stop and go action is a testament to individual plays being called by the coaches each play. Games like Football, and Rugby are more tactically driven and great plays are made in the heat of the moment by individuals working together through adhoc play making. American Football is more chess-like, where the 2 coaches are using their players to attempt to push the ball down the field -- stopping each play to re-assess the situation at hand. I'm no crazy American Football fan, but American Football is something you have to invest alot of time in learning about to actually enjoy the game. It's almost like getting into Golf, at 1st it's just some guy hitting the ball with some kind of metal crooked club. It's not until you look into the nuances of the game does it begin to become appealing. It's not a game of constant action and instant gratification, it's a bit deeper than that, and that's really the point. To criticize the stop-and-go action of American Football is to completely miss the point as to how the game is played. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.07 02:46:00 - [58] Edited by: Captain Hudson on 07/02/2008 02:47:41 American Football is actually a really good sport and im a football(soccer) man through and through, well that was untill the start of this season when it finally dawned on my that football has lost its soul,its magic, 13 years since a team outside the top 4 won the FA cup, the top 4 dominate all the cup comps. So for a fan of a mid-table team its getting to mid-table or avoiding relugation every season as aims and to be honest im just tierd of it . Football = whoever has the most money wins everything (i.e top 4). The beauty of American football is they have a wage cap so that cant happen and the players show a bit of passion about the sport their playing, you rarely see that in the prem or internationals these days. Your Sincerly A disgruntled football (soccer) fan The Real Eve FanFest

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