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Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:29:00 - [1] I fly in 0.0 space pretty often and I have observed patterns and behavior of local chinese isk farmers for a long time. I believe CCP could deliver a hard blow to their daily operations if they did the following: Use database search to find all characters that has been in NPC noob corp for more than 3 months, that are currently located in 0.0 space, and that are currently flying Raven battleship. Issue 1 week temporary ban to all of them. At same time, send a letter to all of them from CCP customer support, explaining that this bad is part of the anti-isk seller iniciative and that everyone is free to petition this ban. If a person petitions it and they sound human, then unban them without investigation. If they send the same copy+paste email to many different characters, unban only first one and don't unban the others. If one email asks to unban 5+ characters, investigate their case. I'd imagine most of the isk farmers wouldn't bother with petitioned. The few valid cases can be resolved quickly. People who quit EVE or temporary away from EVE will get unbanned after 1 week ban expires.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:40:00 - [2] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn and so.... in a week everything goes back to normal? what does that accomplish? all this would do is **** off paying customers and overload GMs with petitions. It hurts the farmers, which is the entire point. Most chinese farmers wouldn't even grasp the concept of 1 week ban, they would attempt to switch to new characters immidiately and adjust their tactics to prevent future ban like this. All this is going to be very taxing on their resources. I'd imagine that only about 400 characters meet the criteria I specified. There should be very few valid customers among them. And if they are a valid customer, why exactly would they be in 0.0 with NPC corp for over 3 months, farming in a Raven? there's something inherintly wrong with such behavior. So they would have to deal with unbanning themselves and maybe it would encourage them to join some corp. These methods are harsh, but that's the style of EVE.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:43:00 - [3] Originally by: Tarminic While that's an interesting idea, I don't think it would work. First of all, every single ISK farmer would almost certainly petition - why wouldn't they, after all? Taking the ten minutes to write a petition is certainly worth not losing 160+ hours of farming. By changing a few words or switching sentences around they could avoid sounding too similar in their petition text as well. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be smart enough to mix up words in their petitions. And even if they did figure out after a 100th rejection, any person with classroom teaching experience would easily identify people who use someone else's work. The goal is to hurt them, and enjoy hurting them.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Brilliant. And every guy in 0.0 flying a raven and ratting would get a nasty wake up call and spend several days waiting to be unbanned which would most likely result in leaving the game completely. In the mean time farmers flying in low sec/high sec with actual mining ships would still run rampant as will the macro mission runners. No, remember I specifically said that only people in NPC noob corp for 3 months will get counted. Normal ratters won't get effected, even if they are temporarily between corps.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 20:55:00 - [5] I'll admit that my own experience is not enough to conclude that all of the 0.0 isk farmers are chinese. However, most of the time when I saw them write anything in local, it was chinese characters. Their names, mostly gibberish, sometimes carry oriental style naming. I don't imply that all Chinese are isk farmers. But most isk farmers are chinese
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 21:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Tarminic Why exactly wouldn't they be smart enough? If me, a college student, can come up with that idea in under five minutes, I doubt that it would take the leaders of a professional ISK-farming enterprise any longer. I mean jeez, it's not like they have apes manning those ravens. Ok, their managers would be smart enough. But then one guy would have to write petition for a dozen or more characters. That enough could give investigators some clues about how different farmer organizations are grouped together and maybe hint at who's owning them. As I keep saying, this won't solve the farmer problem. This only hurts them. It's a way for CCP to go into attack mode without breaking any real laws.
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 22:04:00 - [7] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: baltec1 A better way to go about crippling farmers is to hunt them down ourselves rather than dump a blanket ban that will get alot of legit players This would be effective under 2 conditions: 1) farmer Ravens can't use cloak 2) log off without aggro had 4 minutes timer Right now the cloaking and logging gives farmers near-invulnerability. Boredom if their weapon of choice, no player will camp them for 8+ hours, while they are probably on 2nd account in different system. sounds like an excuse for lazyness to me. if they are mission running then they can be ambushed to and from missions and in the mission itself. If ratting then you can get together a strike force of bombers and ambush them in a belt. I have enough experience making fast strikes at NPCer farmers. It works on rare occasions, definitely not enough to deter them from coming back. Because local chat gives them instant scout info, when anyone enters their ratting system, they immidiately start to warp out or log out (initiating emergency warp). On average, you have about 20 seconds from time you appear in local to time you scramble their Raven. It is possible if you use an interceptor and correctly guess their belt and if their Raven was within 25 km of the belt beacon. This happens very rarely. I want to revise my original point that besides cloaking and log off timer, alternative condition would be that people who enter local do not appear in local chat for at least 30 seconds - thus giving the attacker some time to find the farmer and surprise him. With current game mechanics, there is no effective way of stopping 0.0 isk farmers. That's why they are there, they know it works, they are making a profit, even with all the 0.0 people trying to kill them.

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