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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:49:00 -
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I've been reading about the difficulty of breaking a clump of repping carriers. Basically, it sounds like the only real ways to take them out is to do more damage to a carrier than the clump can repair, which is near impossible unless you do significantly more damage than they can rep, or get one far enough away from the pack that you can dogpile it and destroy it before the others can get in range to rep it. Here's a strategy to attempt to push a very high value target (a mothership or titan) away from its supporting pack.
To that end, I propose a speed titan. Let's say we go with the Erebus.
Hi: jump drive (we still have to fill a near term logistics role), aurora ominae, rest are officer smart bombs (since you will get swarmed by drones)
Mid: best (battleship-sized) 100 MN MWD (according to my long ago calculations you should be able to get around a 50% boost to speed from this since the Erebus is a bit over ten times the mass of a battleship), officer shield tank fitting with emphasis on thermal
Low: best damage control, bunch of best overdrive injectors, maybe some help for your shield tank and/or cap
riggings: 3 low friction nozzles II
implants: Agility first, velocity second, shield tanking third
Approach: Use this only in the situation where you have a massive fleet to back you up. Move your titan wait to one side of the battlefield (out of sight of the battlefield). Line some sort of cloaked ship with a high value, extremely slow target (say a mothership or another titan) so that the titan is mostly lined up with it when it warps in. Warp to your cloaked ship and ram the target. Activate the smartbombs and proceed to push the ship in your chosen direction. If you are getting swarmed badly, use thermal anti-blob weapons, like bombs or your DD. Move your fleet in front of the titan so that they can provide support as the titan and target moves away from the enemy fleet. Once you get far enough away, your fleet should be able to support your titan. Then it's a matter of popping what you just caught.
Pros:
1. You get a chance to catch and eat a mothership or titan.
2. From what I gather, a titan generally isn't that active on the battlefield aside from some DD work. So this fit shouldn't break the titan's other roles.
Cons:
1. You risk around 60-100 billion isk to do what?
2. Bulldozing a ship might be illegal as in a bannable offense. I don't know the current state.
3. Mechanics may not work well enough to bother. I don't know. Bumping that mom away at 2 m/s isn't going to work. Nor is it worthwhile to try if the enemy ship can align and warp easily despite your efforts.
4. There's a considerable period of time (at least several minutes under hoped for circumstances) when your titan is closer to the foe (that is the carrier fleet portion of the foe) than its allies. And it has a weak tank. It might not survive long enough.
5. You're doing other crazy things like dropping bombs on your titan and firing the DD at point blank range.
6. I assume that titans are immune to webbers. They're still immune to all EW, right?
7. This plan was developed by someone with absolutely no experience with a titan.
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Zubakis
Bambooule
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Tasko Pal
7. This plan was developed by someone with absolutely no experience with a titan.
I think this says it all.
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Phil Miller
Ocean Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:57:00 -
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Why not jam/neut/damp the carriers instead?
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zubakis
Originally by: Tasko Pal
7. This plan was developed by someone with absolutely no experience with a titan.
I think this says it all.
It's a tradition to save the most important point for last, right? But let's think about it. Would it really be better for me to post (hypothetically):
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I'm really sorry about losing that titan guys, but at least I have confirmed that the above tactic does not work. 
Clearly, it's far better for someone else to post that. 
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Stefan F
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:08:00 -
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Try ECM, use the remote ecm from a few motherships to take out their locks and pop them one by one.
If you really want to bump a few dozen nano'ed BS (shieldtanked, lows for speed) would do much better.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stefan F
Try ECM, use the remote ecm from a few motherships to take out their locks and pop them one by one.
If you really want to bump a few dozen nano'ed BS (shieldtanked, lows for speed) would do much better.
That is a good point. With tech 2 fitting, you probably could do it for about a tenth the cost or less. And being able to use a titan in battle generally means you have enough people to do something like that.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:16:00 -
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Or you drop more dreads and moms on them then they have carriers, ewar a few carriers to break thier spider tank, put the dreads in 1 siege cycle and start popping carriers  |
Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Stardust Heavy Industries
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:21:00 -
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Sounds like you never faced a titan on the battlefield.
You completely forgot about the support fleet, the lag and anything else.
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Volzir
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Stefan F
Try ECM, use the remote ecm from a few motherships to take out their locks and pop them one by one.
If you really want to bump a few dozen nano'ed BS (shieldtanked, lows for speed) would do much better.
I don't understand. Are you suggesting ECMing Motherships or Titans? You're obviously not suggesting that, so what is the intended target of this ECM?
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L70Rogue
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Sounds like you never faced a titan on the battlefield.
You completely forgot about the support fleet, the lag and anything else.
looks like he's engaged many supercaps solo
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: L70Rogue
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Sounds like you never faced a titan on the battlefield.
You completely forgot about the support fleet, the lag and anything else.
looks like he's engaged many supercaps solo
If I may coin a term here, we can call that "supersolo". For example, "I can't believe I got close enough in a shuttle to supersolo that mothership."
Anyway, doesn't sound like the idea is worthwhile. There's cheaper ways to accomplish the same thing and it'll be a while before people are inclinded to spend that kind of isk to try out crazy ideas.
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Hyakuchan
Earth Federation Space Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Hyakuchan on 04/02/2008 22:11:20
Originally by: Tasko Pal
Basically, it sounds like the only real ways to take them out is to do more damage to a carrier than the clump can repair
Go Go Gadget Ibis Swarm.
Seriously, you're better off forcing them to DC and then picking them off when they come back on.
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The Economist
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:35:00 -
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Basically: Fail.
A nano-titan has a 15second window in which to act and gtfo. Any longer and the chances of it becoming a dead titan rocket towards 100%.
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Perfect Diamond
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:57:00 -
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Ya, seriously, risking a tintan would be quite stupid.
It's amazing what 20 dreads can do though.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:20:00 -
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I think using a DD makes it so you cant move?I forget if it does this.
As for the bumpage,just get a couple nano bses or ecm machines...Or instead of paying 100bil for a titan buy 100 dreads for your friends?
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 05/02/2008 01:30:00
Originally by: Tasko Pal
I've been reading about the difficulty of breaking a clump of repping carriers. Basically, it sounds like the only real ways to take them out is to do more damage to a carrier than the clump can repair,
Well, no offense, but isn't that how you kill all ships?
Do more damage than they can repair?
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:08:00 -
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Damps set to lock time + ECM bomb? Ofc serious lag could get in the way perhaps...
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Perfect Diamond
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
I think using a DD makes it so you cant move?I forget if it does this.
As for the bumpage,just get a couple nano bses or ecm machines...Or instead of paying 100bil for a titan buy 100 dreads for your friends?
Is there anyone that could supply that demand. 
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:48:00 -
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If you're going to do it you could try POS bowling without the POS... dunno if it would work though.
Prolly better off bringing in 200 neut bombs or something though.
-Liang
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: The Economist
Basically: Fail.
A nano-titan has a 15second window in which to act and gtfo. Any longer and the chances of it becoming a dead titan rocket towards 100%.
I was afraid of that. Another thing to nix the idea. Suppose it didn't gtfo in 15 seconds, how long would it last?
Originally by: goodby4u
I think using a DD makes it so you cant move?I forget if it does this.
As for the bumpage,just get a couple nano bses or ecm machines...Or instead of paying 100bil for a titan buy 100 dreads for your friends?
I got the impression you could still move and warp after using a DD, just not jump for ten minutes and DD again for 60 minutes. And just giving 100 dreads to 100 of my closest friends does sound a whole lot more appealing than bowling with a 100 billion isk ball.
Originally by: Ralara
Edited by: Ralara on 05/02/2008 01:30:00
Originally by: Tasko Pal
I've been reading about the difficulty of breaking a clump of repping carriers. Basically, it sounds like the only real ways to take them out is to do more damage to a carrier than the clump can repair,
Well, no offense, but isn't that how you kill all ships?
Do more damage than they can repair?
As I see it, you need to be able to do more. For example, a mothership or titan that is nestled inside a fleet probably will be able to warp out, repair, and return (assuming they would want to). I ignore lag effects which would give you a good chance of killing the ship even if the target pilot knows exactly what to do. With that in mind, I suppose you might be right.
But as I understand it, there's been only one way to kill a mothership or titan. Get it alone. You then bump the hell out of it and dump a epic amount of hurt on it. It helps if the ship is caught in lag or pilot afk.
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Dianeces
Minmatar
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:48:00 -
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I think this is a fantastic idea. The nano-Titan concept has already been pioneered by Mercenary Coalition, it just needs some refinement. What you really need to make this plan work is a supercapital-sized MWD. Combining this with Snakes and ODs/Polycarbs should result in sufficient speed to bump carriers out of remote rep range. Besides, it's not like anyone has ever hotdropped a Titan before....right, guys?
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.05 06:24:00 -
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first... you have little to no clue how to fit a titan
second.. you have little to no clue why titans are used and how
thrid... you have very little knowladge of the game really by looking at your post
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:10:00 -
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needs more polycarbs and go faster stripes tbh
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:35:00 -
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not only was a nano bumping titan setup suggested, but the op seems to be serious about it aswell......
doublewin
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.05 08:05:00 -
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You can bump a titan with a nanomach or nanophoon anyways 
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