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Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:12:00 - [1] Not pretending to know how to play, not pretending to have killed one, not pretending to have a clue about anything. Not pretending to fly one, not pretending to skill for one, not pretending to represent my corp or alliance in any way. I.e., this is just me asking a question :-) About a year ago, a mothership kill was a "big thing" as not many people had them. However, now is the time when many alliances are fielding multiple titans. I'm not just speaking about "the regulars" here - many alliances field multiple titans and many, many motherships. A mothership is basically a glorified carrier, and no more difficult to train for - so I ask: Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? I don't mean to suggest that killing one isn't difficult - they do have amazing tanks and offensive capabilities - but I do see some threads now and again where they aren't... "important" (is that the word?). We got this when Carriers and Dreads were introduced and the first few carrier losses were "big news". Now it's 100 a day or such. Are motherships approaching this level? Are titans next? Discuss. NB I post this with no pointing to any individuals, corps or alliances in mind, it's just a general "wonderment" :) -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:13:00 - [2] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 04/02/2008 23:13:19 cause this is an area to post about what's going on in the eve universe?
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:16:00 - [3] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 04/02/2008 23:13:19 cause this is an area to post about what's going on in the eve universe? Well, again this is just my personal opinion, so is General Discussion or the mission forums. I don't mean to belittle the (very) recent mothership loss by a rather prominent alliance. I'm not trying to sugges that the parties involved in the killing aren't important, or anything like that :-) I'm rather asking are motherships approaching the level where so many people have them, that an individual loss doesn't really affect the major corps/alliances in the game? At what stage did we stop posting "[ALLIANCE] Carrier killed in ZXY-123" posts here? -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Jhyme Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:16:00 - [4] We all know CAOD has a lot of trash. However, mothership-down-fleet-flight reports are something some people actually look forward to. Even better when the battle report is good, and there's even a video.
Silenne Otsaku Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:18:00 - [5] it's a prid of a group a mothership, even if it's iskowned by 1 person, he represent his allaince. When a dumb carrier is fitted with basic mods and he he's in an allaicne it's : "look XXX Alliance are noob" mothership are something like that, and we always liek to see shiny stuff goes boom, to see their fitting and so on :D --------------- Nahh no sign for now :p
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Jhyme We all know CAOD has a lot of trash. However, mothership-down-fleet-flight reports are something some people actually look forward to. Even better when the battle report is good, and there's even a video. Oh I appreciate that, and I enjoy the videos :-) I'm just asking (see my above post) are they getting to the point where a mothership battle isn't "big" any more? That does make me kind of sad, in a way, if that's true. I have no wish to disrespect any alliances or corporations that field them or kill them, I don't want to diminish that at all :-) -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Gungankllr Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:24:00 - [7] The main reason is the amount of resources that are involved in the manufacturing of a Mothership. 20(+/-) Billion isk isn't something to scoff at. Add to that the amount of hit points and immunity to certain types of EW, with the offensive capability rolled into a package makes a MS kill something of note. Whenever I see a MS kill on the forums I know that somebody put a lot of work and planning into its demise, or was able to put something substantial together on short notice. Regardless, killing a MS a big deal. If you don't think it is, then by all means try and kill one, you'll see what I mean. (Unless it's a bought character gatecamping in lowsec somewhere)
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:24:00 - [8] Because they're generally downed in epic fights, and they cost as much as an outpost.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:26:00 - [9] For most alliances losing a mothership would still be big news. Maybe not to the elite you're representing who all want to write it off as pocket change, at least in the public eye. This is more a question of who gets to post here and not get flamed by jaded people who have seen it all before one time too many. Whether or not the mothership kill/loss post has merit I personally base on the write-up, if it's poorly done well better luck next time I guess... Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Gungankllr The main reason is the amount of resources that are involved in the manufacturing of a Mothership. 20(+/-) Billion isk isn't something to scoff at. Add to that the amount of hit points and immunity to certain types of EW, with the offensive capability rolled into a package makes a MS kill something of note. Whenever I see a MS kill on the forums I know that somebody put a lot of work and planning into its demise, or was able to put something substantial together on short notice. This, I can understand and agree with :-) Quote: Regardless, killing a MS a big deal. If you don't think it is, then by all means try and kill one, you'll see what I mean. Oh, I don't think it's a "small deal" so to speak - it was just a general question, really. We see more and more mothership losses happening. Take recently, we see dreads and carriers killed that went in to a battle with expanders or heavy nos fitted etc. A little voice in my head asks me how long until we see motherships commonly fitted with this. I don't know if my OP was a cross between a whine or a discussion, and it's certainly not pointed at anyone in particular. Does anyone else see this trend? Perhaps I'm just seeing things ;-) Quote: (Unless it's a bought character gatecamping in lowsec somewhere) EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE :-D :-D :-D -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:29:00 - [11] Its all a matter of how common they are. I expect carriers to die in droves. At least 5-10 per day on any given day. So a carrier kill is no longer special. This weekend saw 3 MS kills I think, which is an absolute record. But often weeks go by without an MS kill, maybe even as much as a month. Once you get to the point where an MS dies every 2-3 days, the specialty wears off and you won't see people posting about it, or you will see those that do post them ridiculed I'd expect. Or in short, the community will decide for how long MS kills will remain 'newsworthy', and I doubt anyone can tell for sure when that stops being the case. Titans are nowhere close to that point.
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:30:00 - [12] I still like to read about mothership kills. I just dont like how alot of said kills (& increasingly battlereports in general) are started by a random alt/3rd party who just write "X got pwned in system Y hahaha" & provide a killboardlink.
Major PewPew Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Because they're generally downed in epic fights, and they cost as much as an outpost. they used to
Sean Dillon Caldari Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:38:00 - [14] Edited by: Sean Dillon on 04/02/2008 23:39:36 People like to see expensive explosions, aslong its not theirs. Back then cnr explosions were populair kills too.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:43:00 - [15] Well chaos/atlas has killed 2 ka tet moms over a 30 day period. We dont come on here braggin about it though. If the owner wants to make a thread thats cool, if not we dont really care. Its just a ship.... In the past when they were unkillable, yeah it was a big deal. followed by 34 pages of alt posts. I driks lots [/URL]
Porgy Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Ralara Oh, I don't think it's a "small deal" so to speak - it was just a general question, really. We see more and more mothership losses happening. I would attribute this partially to the wars occuring right now. Some of the biggest guns in eve are squaring off right now and the very wealthy and former king of the hill BoB is fighting tooth and nail to hold onto their last nook of space. Im surprised I havent seen more titans downed. _______________________
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:52:00 - [17] I do think that mothership kills are newsworthy, its much more interesting to read a battle report than to read some of the junk from CAOD. Less political stuff, more battle reports. And if small corporations take down a mothership it IS worth a report. Say Veto takes down /ransoms a mothership, that is news worthy. They are pirates and they are probably not fielding dozens of dreads and motherships of their own. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Flootles Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:53:00 - [18] Edited by: Flootles on 04/02/2008 23:54:20 Why is posting about motherships, an excuse to post? Seriously. This thread sucks, and motherships threads are better than XYZ pubbie empire corp wardecs ABC empire pubbie corp. Edit: but not as good as threads about TRI getting spanked in the south.
Admiral Seafort DarkStar 1	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:54:00 - [19] I guess there's also the question of whether supercaps differ from "regular" caps qualitatively or just quantitatively. A similar question can be asked of caps vs. battleships. While caps and supercaps are being downed more frequently, whether either will ever become as incidental as its corresponding "one size smaller" is still not clear. ----- It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.02.04 23:57:00 - [20] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 05/02/2008 00:05:54 Originally by: Ralara Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? People post about it mainly because: 1. They are expensive and hurt the player who fly it cashwise 2. To boast your corps/alliance morale 3. Reducing your enemies morale. 4. To increase the respect from other corps/alliances 5. To gloat. People love that! Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:06:00 - [21] Because at base mineral cost they are equal to the destruction of 8-9 dreads, and with good fitting a mothership can easily cost as much as losing 15 capitals. A hit on an alliances assets of that cost, even if it was personally owned, is definitely still post worthy.
Bhasayate	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:17:00 - [22] This whole thread assumes there is a point to posting in threads at all, which is an extremely dubious notion. I'm also proud to say this is my first post ever on the Eve Forums - and I've been playing since 2005.10.
Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:20:00 - [23] If motherships do get to the point where kills are not postworthy, then it'll show how badly capitals have messed up both perception of cash and PVP in this game. A corp/alliance blowing up 150 battleships in a single engagement would certainly hit the news, which is the rough equivalent value.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:26:00 - [24] Things blowing up is good. Motherships are becoming more commonplace, and dying more often, but I'm still perfectly happy to hear about every one of them that dies. Heck, write a good battle report and you're welcome to post about each carrier you kill too. It'll be better than 95% of the garbage here.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Things blowing up is good. Motherships are becoming more commonplace, and dying more often, but I'm still perfectly happy to hear about every one of them that dies. Heck, write a good battle report and you're welcome to post about each carrier you kill too. It'll be better than 95% of the garbage here. What he said
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Things blowing up is good. Motherships are becoming more commonplace, and dying more often, but I'm still perfectly happy to hear about every one of them that dies. Heck, write a good battle report and you're welcome to post about each carrier you kill too. It'll be better than 95% of the garbage here. Yesterday there was a carrier repping pos mods we got 10 web's on him and melted him in 30 seconds with a battleship fleet the end.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:44:00 - [27] Answer: People will post whatever they want to post and no excuses need to be made and you can pretty much just deal with it
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:47:00 - [28] Motherships are the second biggest ships in EVE and they cost a LOT of money. While they may die quite a bit these days, they are still considered flagships and "important" because of their status as supercapitals. Once people get used to heavy interdictors and this war dies down, I don't forsee many motherships dying. Not to mention that whatever nerf CCP comes up with might remove them from the front lines of combat all together.
General StarScream Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:51:00 - [29] i think its good people just post what ever, if you dont like it dont read it. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Alexi Kalashnikov Rat Lovers Anonymous GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:10:00 - [30] Sounds like someone's jealous that their alliance can't post about a Mothership kill...
BuckStrider Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:25:00 - [31] They almost killed one once Alexi....
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:27:00 - [32] As I said, there's no mention of particular alliances or corporations here, it was merely a question, and one that seems to have been answered: Mainly that: 1) they're very exensive; 2) they take a lot of effort to fly; 3) they represent the corporation or alliance they are under; and 4) they represent a big "trophy kill" That answers my question quite nicely, thanks to all who did so without smack :-) Fly safe o7 -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Jhyme Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 01:55:00 - [33] Since you're so into this, Ralara, here is an interesting statistic for you-- number expected of supercap kills goes up by 0.13 per month. This effect is linear (curvilinear effects insignficant) . poisson CapKills Months, exposure(DaysPerMonth) Iteration 0: log likelihood = -27.696852 Iteration 1: log likelihood = -27.696848 Iteration 2: log likelihood = -27.696848 Poisson regression Number of obs = 15 LR chi2(1) = 10.42 Prob > chi2 = 0.0012 Log likelihood = -27.696848 Pseudo R2 = 0.1583 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CapKills \| Coef. Std. Err. z P>\|z\| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- Months \| .1301688 .0419637 3.10 0.002 .0479214 .2124161 _cons \| -3.48354 .4337462 -8.03 0.000 -4.333667 -2.633413 DaysPerMonth \| (exposure) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.05 02:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Jhyme Since you're so into this, Ralara, here is an interesting statistic for you-- number expected of supercap kills goes up by 0.13 per month. This effect is linear (curvilinear effects insignficant) . poisson CapKills Months, exposure(DaysPerMonth) Iteration 0: log likelihood = -27.696852 Iteration 1: log likelihood = -27.696848 Iteration 2: log likelihood = -27.696848 Poisson regression Number of obs = 15 LR chi2(1) = 10.42 Prob > chi2 = 0.0012 Log likelihood = -27.696848 Pseudo R2 = 0.1583 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CapKills \| Coef. Std. Err. z P>\|z\| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- Months \| .1301688 .0419637 3.10 0.002 .0479214 .2124161 _cons \| -3.48354 .4337462 -8.03 0.000 -4.333667 -2.633413 DaysPerMonth \| (exposure) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ i think there should be more than 15 observations though right?
FinrodFelagund Rome Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.05 03:33:00 - [35] 12-25 bil of uninsurable ship loss. (not counting modules) Even in fleet battles with nearly 100 BS losses you only lose 6bil isk (assuming fittings+insurence is 60mil each) Carriers are a 300-500 mil loss per pop? If motherships were insurable they would not be news.
Barthezz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.05 08:36:00 - [36] Motherships these days arent 'that' expensive to lose if you disregard the fittings. A mothership can be bought for 15-17b and you get 6b back when it blows up, this means the actual loss is around 10-11b, still a lot but not 'epic'. However the loss isnt the reason I like to read up about MS kills, the reason I like to read up on them is often there's a nice fight behind them. I hate the "omgzors we killed a MS, here's the KM" threads, thats just bragging and not needed (solo their not THAT hard to kill). I however LOVE to read up on battle reports on how it was trapped (or in SE's case, why), and a progression of the fight (even better if fraps is included). This is what I feel is missing a lot on CAOD. When you look back about a 1-2 years ago, there where a lot more battle reports about 'epic' fights. Now its just "omgzors we pwnzors look at our k/dzors". And fyi an 'epic fight' shouldnt have to be 100 vs 100, an epic fight (if told well) can be 20 vs 20, etc. --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.05 08:47:00 - [37] I don't understand this whole CAOD fuzz about motherships and the great war. I for one enjoy reading small battles reports about a few battleships and carriers if they are well written, if people want to post about it they're more than welcome. The fact that the "great war" is the largest conflict going on doesn't mean that smaller engagements don't have their own place on CAOD. Specifically, mothership kills don't just happen randomly; they always take a great team effort, coordination and tactics. Even though they are more common, they aren't by any means "easy" to kill, unless the pilot is utterly stupid or the mothership is awfully fitted. But even then, it's a good read: makes you feel smarter. -clp
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 09:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Ralara Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? Discuss.quote] I agree. Even a poor, unskilled, clueless tard like me have a carrier and a dread and a large tower and many many many battleships and mining barges etc etc. A while back someone posted a thread asking, "when are you a billionaire?" Any time from when you enter 0.0 to about 3 months later. I honestly don't think killing MOM's are big news or should be anyways. Good topic, good comment, props to the OP.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.05 09:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus I don't understand this whole CAOD fuzz about motherships and the great war. I for one enjoy reading small battles reports about a few battleships and carriers if they are well written, if people want to post about it they're more than welcome. The fact that the "great war" is the largest conflict going on doesn't mean that smaller engagements don't have their own place on CAOD. Specifically, mothership kills don't just happen randomly; they always take a great team effort, coordination and tactics. Even though they are more common, they aren't by any means "easy" to kill, unless the pilot is utterly stupid or the mothership is awfully fitted. But even then, it's a good read: makes you feel smarter. cip is an awesome poster and pretty much said it all the reason mothership posts still get made is that people like to read them; if not they'd get flamed off the forums and they'd stop. above are many of the reasons people still like to read them, as well as smaller gang stuff. besides, losing a poorly fitted mothership is a successor of the hilarity and humiliation of losing a nano-carrier, or a lowsec ratting dread.
Securion Wolfheart Not Like Most	Posted - 2008.02.05 20:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Jhyme Edited by: Jhyme on 05/02/2008 04:01:04 Since you're so into this, Ralara, here is an interesting statistic for you-- number expected of supercap kills goes up by 0.13 per month. This effect is linear (curvilinear effects insignficant) . poisson CapKills Months, exposure(DaysPerMonth) Iteration 0: log likelihood = -27.696852 Iteration 1: log likelihood = -27.696848 Iteration 2: log likelihood = -27.696848 Poisson regression Number of obs = 15 LR chi2(1) = 10.42 Prob > chi2 = 0.0012 Log likelihood = -27.696848 Pseudo R2 = 0.1583 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CapKills \| Coef. Std. Err. z P>\|z\| [95% Conf. Interval] -------------+---------------------------------------------------------------- Months \| .1301688 .0419637 3.10 0.002 .0479214 .2124161 _cons \| -3.48354 .4337462 -8.03 0.000 -4.333667 -2.633413 DaysPerMonth \| (exposure) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ edit @ Graalum The unit of observations are months starting from Dec 11, 2006 Why do I feel like an idiot? ... what....? The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns...
Sacul Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2008.02.05 20:41:00 - [41] Edited by: Sacul on 05/02/2008 20:43:15 Since the thought of the sheer isk loss still makes me cringe. That makes 50% of my fun in reading the demise of a MS even if it was partially fitted with T1 mods MS is allmost 16 Archons in build cost then add a variation of T1 or officer mods... p.s To the goon alexi, TRI did kill attleast 1 MS that i know of. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Helen Eve Innovative Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.05 20:59:00 - [42] Originally by: Jhyme The unit of observations are months starting from Dec 11, 2006 Why Dec 11th? Top Tip - Don't eat yellow snow
JoDirt Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 21:40:00 - [43] I've seen Tri posts about taking down Carriers (recently) so I wouldn't expect folks from Tri to question a Mom kill post. I would assume that you guys would rush to the boards with your own mom kill.
crack hippy ForumPost'r'Us	Posted - 2008.02.05 21:50:00 - [44] Originally by: JoDirt I've seen Tri posts about taking down Carriers (recently) so I wouldn't expect folks from Tri to question a Mom kill post. I would assume that you guys would rush to the boards with your own mom kill. Hi, I would like to inform you that you are a total idiot.
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 23:14:00 - [45] because pix of your schlong get you banned
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 10:44:00 - [46] Now that heavy dictors has arrived a mothership isnt as untouchable as they used to be. That brings a higher risk to the ones fielding them-> they have to be sure they bring enough support to keep them alive these days. so unless a mothership is caught of guard by misstake by its owner the mothership kills of todays eve are often an indication of epic bigger fleet fights and battles raging for hours. Also now that they take a bigger risk when fielded the pilot has to be either very brave, filthy rich or just plain stupid. Either way it is often worth a good read when the reports are posted.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.06 11:43:00 - [47] Originally by: JoDirt I've seen Tri posts about taking down Carriers (recently) so I wouldn't expect folks from Tri to question a Mom kill post. I would assume that you guys would rush to the boards with your own mom kill. Well as I said in my OP: Quote: Not pretending to know how to play, not pretending to have killed one, not pretending to have a clue about anything. Not pretending to fly one, not pretending to skill for one, not pretending to represent my corp or alliance in any way. I can't speak for other Tri members or how they chose to post or not post. -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
MAEOTIS Caldari Existense	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:50:00 - [48] http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xHklGtW3rwU&feature=related
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:24:00 - [49] Originally by: Ralara Not pretending to know how to play, not pretending to have killed one, not pretending to have a clue about anything. Not pretending to fly one, not pretending to skill for one, not pretending to represent my corp or alliance in any way. I.e., this is just me asking a question :-) About a year ago, a mothership kill was a "big thing" as not many people had them. However, now is the time when many alliances are fielding multiple titans. I'm not just speaking about "the regulars" here - many alliances field multiple titans and many, many motherships. A mothership is basically a glorified carrier, and no more difficult to train for - so I ask: Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? I don't mean to suggest that killing one isn't difficult - they do have amazing tanks and offensive capabilities - but I do see some threads now and again where they aren't... "important" (is that the word?). We got this when Carriers and Dreads were introduced and the first few carrier losses were "big news". Now it's 100 a day or such. Are motherships approaching this level? Are titans next? Discuss. NB I post this with no pointing to any individuals, corps or alliances in mind, it's just a general "wonderment" :) Have you read some of the ****e excuses for threads goons and others have posted on this forum over the last 6-10 months?. A ms kill thread is a breath of fresh air tbqfh. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Free marakor unjustly imprisoned (banned) i miss his posts.
Flow Befort GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:34:00 - [50] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Originally by: Ralara Not pretending to know how to play, not pretending to have killed one, not pretending to have a clue about anything. Not pretending to fly one, not pretending to skill for one, not pretending to represent my corp or alliance in any way. I.e., this is just me asking a question :-) About a year ago, a mothership kill was a "big thing" as not many people had them. However, now is the time when many alliances are fielding multiple titans. I'm not just speaking about "the regulars" here - many alliances field multiple titans and many, many motherships. A mothership is basically a glorified carrier, and no more difficult to train for - so I ask: Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? I don't mean to suggest that killing one isn't difficult - they do have amazing tanks and offensive capabilities - but I do see some threads now and again where they aren't... "important" (is that the word?). We got this when Carriers and Dreads were introduced and the first few carrier losses were "big news". Now it's 100 a day or such. Are motherships approaching this level? Are titans next? Discuss. NB I post this with no pointing to any individuals, corps or alliances in mind, it's just a general "wonderment" :) Have you read some of the ****e excuses for threads goons and others have posted on this forum over the last 6-10 months?. A ms kill thread is a breath of fresh air tbqfh. o/ \o
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 14:17:00 - [51] I only read a few posts from the start so if someone said this already sorry to repost this. To the op it's like this everyone is getting older and can fly them now. You have to remember some of these eve players have been playing for 4 to 5 years now and the ones that came after. Well there not that far off. As for titans being everywere i dont think that will happen. To hard to build.
M00dy Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:33:00 - [52] I want to hear the battle report of every MS, Carrier, BS, Hac, Hic, or CS that is killed. I find them very entertaining. Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
Blade AOI Caldari altcorp	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Ralara Not pretending to know how to play, not pretending to have killed one, not pretending to have a clue about anything. Not pretending to fly one, not pretending to skill for one, not pretending to represent my corp or alliance in any way. I.e., this is just me asking a question :-) About a year ago, a mothership kill was a "big thing" as not many people had them. However, now is the time when many alliances are fielding multiple titans. I'm not just speaking about "the regulars" here - many alliances field multiple titans and many, many motherships. A mothership is basically a glorified carrier, and no more difficult to train for - so I ask: Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? I don't mean to suggest that killing one isn't difficult - they do have amazing tanks and offensive capabilities - but I do see some threads now and again where they aren't... "important" (is that the word?). We got this when Carriers and Dreads were introduced and the first few carrier losses were "big news". Now it's 100 a day or such. Are motherships approaching this level? Are titans next? Discuss. NB I post this with no pointing to any individuals, corps or alliances in mind, it's just a general "wonderment" :) If you don't like reading them don't click on them. If you don't like battle reports don't click on them. If you don't like a thread don't read it. Threads like this are semi ******** and I should not be reading it...
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:14:00 - [54] If you want my oppinion i'd say it warrants a post because it is a considerable investment (like 20b) for an unfitted mothership you need someone to make it in the first place, or do it yourself. you need someone to keep the production facilities safe, and even when you do, someone might just come spoil it anyway. you can't just go dock it at an npc station like you can with normal carriers. mostly motherships are then outfitted with 30b+ worth of faction gear to top it off. which makes them a substantial and quite impressive investment and venture to fly into battle with. so when they go boom, it will also have a significant impact. it might not impact the alliance or the corp but it has an impact on at the very least the pilot involved. and there might be a reserve readily available, but it's still around 50-60b on a well fitted mothership. and they went pop and aren't waiting back at the pos/outpost. granted some alliances and pilots have maybe trillions of isk. however, a mothership is still a big investment and will probably continue to be so. I'd say you see more carriers than you see actual motherships, and a mothership has twice of everything a carrier has, which is quite substantial, and the price difference is tremendous. so naturally mothership kills do warrant a post now weither someone wants to make a political statement or engage in arguments and cause drama about it, or if they just want to say, you fought bravely and we enjoyed the battle kudos to you, that's entirely up to the people involved. but i'd certainly say that a mothership kill warrants a post a heck of a lot more than the average "yo momma" posts.
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:27:00 - [55] The focus some people place on the word epic is incredibly stupid and shortsighted given the limited capabilities of the current eve server cluster and the nature of CAOD. We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 17:49:00 - [56] Motherships are a great lost, but it's just the fact" There was once in time battle reports had meaning to it" So everyone here just put mom down look at my KB and good bye. p.s KIA gives the best battle report win or losse.
Cvuos GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:40:00 - [57] I AM USING A MOTHERSHIP AS AN EXCUSE TO POST RIGHT NOW
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.08 08:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Cvuos I AM USING A MOTHERSHIP AS AN EXCUSE TO POST RIGHT NOW MY MOTHERSHIP
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.08 10:05:00 - [59] We are selling a Nyx atm if anyone is interested. We got to from the goons. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=698193 With thanks.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.08 19:41:00 - [60] Edited by: Janu Hull on 08/02/2008 19:43:51 Mothership kills are interesting for the dichotomy of their power and their vulnerability. On the one hand, moms are queens of the battlefield and represent an amazing amount of firepower and electronics warfare capability, along with the logistical support functionality that pre-nerf carriers could envy. On the other hand, as several kills recently have shown, when flown stupidly, then relatively small groups of skilled pilots can drop them like a bad habit. Moreso than Titans, they're solid combat ships that aren't the dreaded "solopwnmobiles" that CCP devs have sleepless nights over. They're the pinnacle of what a capital ship should be. An effective weapon, not an uber one. When they go down, its either epic or hilarious, in which case, CAOD wins either way. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.09 05:37:00 - [61] With the advent of hics I really don't think mothership kills are anything special anymore. Love to the Assault Frigate!
Istoledat	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:48:00 - [62] why indeed?
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:55:00 - [63] Kiling the second biggest and second most expensive ship in the game is kinda note worthy imho. HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve.
Bobbeh Celestial Frontier Inc	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:40:00 - [64] ill agree with the guy who said video. + checking out fittings
Donna Divine Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:41:00 - [65] Imo it's mainly because of the symbolism, but aside from that you can hardly ignore the fact that a single MS loss, represents an investment lost that greater then a good number of fully T2 fitted BS fleets. As opposed to a good number of the individual ships (carrier loss equal). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gilded Goose Brokerages Trading to order.

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