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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:12:00 -
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Not pretending to know how to play, not pretending to have killed one, not pretending to have a clue about anything. Not pretending to fly one, not pretending to skill for one, not pretending to represent my corp or alliance in any way.
I.e., this is just me asking a question :-)
About a year ago, a mothership kill was a "big thing" as not many people had them. However, now is the time when many alliances are fielding multiple titans. I'm not just speaking about "the regulars" here - many alliances field multiple titans and many, many motherships.
A mothership is basically a glorified carrier, and no more difficult to train for - so I ask:
Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news? I don't mean to suggest that killing one isn't difficult - they do have amazing tanks and offensive capabilities - but I do see some threads now and again where they aren't... "important" (is that the word?).
We got this when Carriers and Dreads were introduced and the first few carrier losses were "big news". Now it's 100 a day or such. Are motherships approaching this level?
Are titans next?
Discuss.
NB I post this with no pointing to any individuals, corps or alliances in mind, it's just a general "wonderment" :)
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 04/02/2008 23:13:19
cause this is an area to post about what's going on in the eve universe?
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 04/02/2008 23:13:19
cause this is an area to post about what's going on in the eve universe?
Well, again this is just my personal opinion, so is General Discussion or the mission forums. I don't mean to belittle the (very) recent mothership loss by a rather prominent alliance. I'm not trying to sugges that the parties involved in the killing aren't important, or anything like that :-)
I'm rather asking are motherships approaching the level where so many people have them, that an individual loss doesn't really affect the major corps/alliances in the game?
At what stage did we stop posting "[ALLIANCE] Carrier killed in ZXY-123" posts here?
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Jhyme
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:16:00 -
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We all know CAOD has a lot of trash. However, mothership-down-fleet-flight reports are something some people actually look forward to. Even better when the battle report is good, and there's even a video.
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Silenne Otsaku
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:18:00 -
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it's a prid of a group a mothership, even if it's iskowned by 1 person, he represent his allaince.
When a dumb carrier is fitted with basic mods and he he's in an allaicne it's :
"look XXX Alliance are noob"
mothership are something like that, and we always liek to see shiny stuff goes boom, to see their fitting and so on :D
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jhyme
We all know CAOD has a lot of trash. However, mothership-down-fleet-flight reports are something some people actually look forward to. Even better when the battle report is good, and there's even a video.
Oh I appreciate that, and I enjoy the videos :-)
I'm just asking (see my above post) are they getting to the point where a mothership battle isn't "big" any more?
That does make me kind of sad, in a way, if that's true.
I have no wish to disrespect any alliances or corporations that field them or kill them, I don't want to diminish that at all :-)
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Gungankllr
Caldari
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:24:00 -
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The main reason is the amount of resources that are involved in the manufacturing of a Mothership.
20(+/-) Billion isk isn't something to scoff at.
Add to that the amount of hit points and immunity to certain types of EW, with the offensive capability rolled into a package makes a MS kill something of note.
Whenever I see a MS kill on the forums I know that somebody put a lot of work and planning into its demise, or was able to put something substantial together on short notice.
Regardless, killing a MS a big deal. If you don't think it is, then by all means try and kill one, you'll see what I mean.
(Unless it's a bought character gatecamping in lowsec somewhere)
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:24:00 -
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Because they're generally downed in epic fights, and they cost as much as an outpost.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:26:00 -
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For most alliances losing a mothership would still be big news. Maybe not to the elite you're representing who all want to write it off as pocket change, at least in the public eye.
This is more a question of who gets to post here and not get flamed by jaded people who have seen it all before one time too many.
Whether or not the mothership kill/loss post has merit I personally base on the write-up, if it's poorly done well better luck next time I guess...
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Ralara
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr
The main reason is the amount of resources that are involved in the manufacturing of a Mothership.
20(+/-) Billion isk isn't something to scoff at.
Add to that the amount of hit points and immunity to certain types of EW, with the offensive capability rolled into a package makes a MS kill something of note.
Whenever I see a MS kill on the forums I know that somebody put a lot of work and planning into its demise, or was able to put something substantial together on short notice.
This, I can understand and agree with :-)
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Regardless, killing a MS a big deal. If you don't think it is, then by all means try and kill one, you'll see what I mean.
Oh, I don't think it's a "small deal" so to speak - it was just a general question, really. We see more and more mothership losses happening.
Take recently, we see dreads and carriers killed that went in to a battle with expanders or heavy nos fitted etc. A little voice in my head asks me how long until we see motherships commonly fitted with this.
I don't know if my OP was a cross between a whine or a discussion, and it's certainly not pointed at anyone in particular.
Does anyone else see this trend? Perhaps I'm just seeing things ;-)
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(Unless it's a bought character gatecamping in lowsec somewhere)
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Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:29:00 -
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Its all a matter of how common they are. I expect carriers to die in droves. At least 5-10 per day on any given day. So a carrier kill is no longer special.
This weekend saw 3 MS kills I think, which is an absolute record. But often weeks go by without an MS kill, maybe even as much as a month.
Once you get to the point where an MS dies every 2-3 days, the specialty wears off and you won't see people posting about it, or you will see those that do post them ridiculed I'd expect. Or in short, the community will decide for how long MS kills will remain 'newsworthy', and I doubt anyone can tell for sure when that stops being the case.
Titans are nowhere close to that point.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:30:00 -
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I still like to read about mothership kills. I just dont like how alot of said kills (& increasingly battlereports in general) are started by a random alt/3rd party who just write "X got pwned in system Y hahaha" & provide a killboardlink.
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Major PewPew
Dragons Of Redemption
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Because they're generally downed in epic fights, and they cost as much as an outpost.
they used to
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Dillon on 04/02/2008 23:39:36
People like to see expensive explosions, aslong its not theirs.
Back then cnr explosions were populair kills too.
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:43:00 -
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Well chaos/atlas has killed 2 ka tet moms over a 30 day period. We dont come on here braggin about it though. If the owner wants to make a thread thats cool, if not we dont really care. Its just a ship....
In the past when they were unkillable, yeah it was a big deal. followed by 34 pages of alt posts.
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Porgy
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Oh, I don't think it's a "small deal" so to speak - it was just a general question, really. We see more and more mothership losses happening.
I would attribute this partially to the wars occuring right now. Some of the biggest guns in eve are squaring off right now and the very wealthy and former king of the hill BoB is fighting tooth and nail to hold onto their last nook of space. Im surprised I havent seen more titans downed.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:52:00 -
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I do think that mothership kills are newsworthy, its much more interesting to read a battle report than to read some of the junk from CAOD. Less political stuff, more battle reports.
And if small corporations take down a mothership it IS worth a report. Say Veto takes down /ransoms a mothership, that is news worthy. They are pirates and they are probably not fielding dozens of dreads and motherships of their own.
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Flootles
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Flootles on 04/02/2008 23:54:20
Why is posting about motherships, an excuse to post?
Seriously. This thread sucks, and motherships threads are better than XYZ pubbie empire corp wardecs ABC empire pubbie corp.
Edit: but not as good as threads about TRI getting spanked in the south.
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Admiral Seafort
DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:54:00 -
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I guess there's also the question of whether supercaps differ from "regular" caps qualitatively or just quantitatively. A similar question can be asked of caps vs. battleships. While caps and supercaps are being downed more frequently, whether either will ever become as incidental as its corresponding "one size smaller" is still not clear.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 05/02/2008 00:05:54
Originally by: Ralara
Why does " 'so and sos alliance' lost a mothership" big news?
People post about it mainly because:
1. They are expensive and hurt the player who fly it cashwise
2. To boast your corps/alliance morale
3. Reducing your enemies morale.
4. To increase the respect from other corps/alliances
5. To gloat. People love that!
Originally by: CCP Whisper
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Veng3ance
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:06:00 -
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Because at base mineral cost they are equal to the destruction of 8-9 dreads, and with good fitting a mothership can easily cost as much as losing 15 capitals.
A hit on an alliances assets of that cost, even if it was personally owned, is definitely still post worthy.
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Bhasayate
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:17:00 -
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This whole thread assumes there is a point to posting in threads at all, which is an extremely dubious notion. I'm also proud to say this is my first post ever on the Eve Forums - and I've been playing since 2005.10.
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Echo147
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:20:00 -
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If motherships do get to the point where kills are not postworthy, then it'll show how badly capitals have messed up both perception of cash and PVP in this game.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:26:00 -
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Things blowing up is good.
Motherships are becoming more commonplace, and dying more often, but I'm still perfectly happy to hear about every one of them that dies.
Heck, write a good battle report and you're welcome to post about each carrier you kill too. It'll be better than 95% of the garbage here.
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XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Things blowing up is good.
Motherships are becoming more commonplace, and dying more often, but I'm still perfectly happy to hear about every one of them that dies.
Heck, write a good battle report and you're welcome to post about each carrier you kill too. It'll be better than 95% of the garbage here.
What he said
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Things blowing up is good.
Motherships are becoming more commonplace, and dying more often, but I'm still perfectly happy to hear about every one of them that dies.
Heck, write a good battle report and you're welcome to post about each carrier you kill too. It'll be better than 95% of the garbage here.
Yesterday there was a carrier repping pos mods we got 10 web's on him and melted him in 30 seconds with a battleship fleet the end.
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Zorlag
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:44:00 -
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Answer: People will post whatever they want to post and no excuses need to be made and you can pretty much just deal with it
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HydroSan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:47:00 -
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Motherships are the second biggest ships in EVE and they cost a LOT of money. While they may die quite a bit these days, they are still considered flagships and "important" because of their status as supercapitals. Once people get used to heavy interdictors and this war dies down, I don't forsee many motherships dying. Not to mention that whatever nerf CCP comes up with might remove them from the front lines of combat all together.
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General StarScream
Borg Collective hive mind
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:51:00 -
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i think its good people just post what ever, if you dont like it dont read it.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Rat Lovers Anonymous
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:10:00 -
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Sounds like someone's jealous that their alliance can't post about a Mothership kill...
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