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Laila Eldgorn	Posted - 2008.02.05 22:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin Originally by: Tarminic The New Armageddon: 5% Bonus to missile damage per level 5% Bonus to Armor Resistances per level -7 Turret Hardpoints, +7 Missile Hardpoints -1 High Slot +1 Mid Slot Thoughts? Seriously? Why change an already good ship. Because it should be bigger, better armor tanking raven for PvE. That's what amarr do... wait. Let's not forget to nerf shield resistances.
Chelone	Posted - 2008.02.05 22:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Tarminic The New Armageddon: 5% Bonus to missile damage per level 5% Bonus to Armor Resistances per level -7 Turret Hardpoints, +7 Missile Hardpoints -1 High Slot +1 Mid Slot Thoughts? That sounds like a massive improvement. Everyone knows that Amarr ships need as many missiles as possible, so maxing it out is the obvious conclusion to that logic. I also think it could be even better if we make Amarr ships a more greyish color, with a more blocky look to them. Amarr pilots should also grow square jaws to match.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.02.05 22:26:00 - [33] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 05/02/2008 22:26:29 I would so have loved a Khanid torp spamming BS. It is what they should have made out of the Apoc. Instead, they chose to cater to BoB & Co. and made it a boring fleet ship instead of something new. Seeing how the Abaddon is such a great ship and the Geddon is immensely popular (though prolly mainly due to its pricetag and stories from the past), this Apoc change pretty much means there will not be a Khanid BS until we get tier4 battleships I am afraid. Probably not even then. This is why the all by itself good Apoc change makes me very unhappy. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.02.05 22:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Leandro Salazar means there will not be a Khanid BS until we get tier4 battleships I am afraid. Probably not even then. Not realli. If we all talk enoguh and make enough post, I am shure CCP will consider and listen and maek some changes for us. Afterall, it is benfisial for everyone and no harm do. I have faith in CCP. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2008.02.05 22:48:00 - [35] Had a slight discussion about this in the EVE University public channel a few days ago. most pilots in the channel at the time seemed to be either caldari or gallente though, so the discussion wasn't very fruitful :P a thought though: most of the khanid ships use hulls that are also being used by another company. so you get two ships, one by Khanid Innovation and one by either Viziam or Carthum Conglomerate (Anathema can be paired with the Electronic Attack ship by Viziam). the only two exceptions are Sacrilege and Heretic. where am I going with this? a black apocalypse. it has the most fearsome design of all the amarr ships, does it not? turn the 10% cap-use into 5% torpedo damage bonus, like the sacrilege/vengeance/malediction ... and the all-new optimal range bonus becomes a 5% torpedo velocity bonus. then take the 5% resistance bonus from the damnation/vengeance/malediction as well as ... hmmm... perhaps the 5% bonus to cap-RECHARGE from the vengeance and anathema. it feels a bit odd, perhaps that the two marauder-bonuses are both for tanking, though... but most of the khanid ships seems to be built that way, only exceptions are the sacrilege and curse (but the curse is odd, even for khanid standards).
Yargo Metash Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.05 22:52:00 - [36] If there's going to be a Khanid BS, it'll be a t2 Abaddon. Reason? Redeemer -> Armageddon hull. Paladin -> Apoc hull. Stands to reason that Khanid T2 BS -> Abbaddon hull. Torps being the close range BS module, they'll be the damage type increase inherited from the t1 hull. So for Amarr Battleships, you get 5% Torp damage per level, 5% armor resists per level. As for whatever the next t2 battleship class will be, that will be up to CCP to decide and if there's a role bonus for that or whatever. Possible t2 bonii based on other Khanid hulls: (Vengeance) 15% bonus to Shield/armor exp resist 10% kin resist/lvl 5% cap recharge rate/lvl Cap recharge could be a possibility, but evening out armor resists on to the Abbaddon just screams overpowered. (Heretic) 10% bonus to Rocket and missle exp. velocity/lvl 10% bonus to missle velocity/lvl Unlikely, this would boost torps up to cruise missle lvls in terms of affecting smaller targets. (Sacrilege) 5% reduction of capacitor recharge time 5% bonus to missle launcher rate of fire. Steps on the Raven's toes a little bit, but seems reasonable. (Damnation) 5% bonus to Torp Velocity 10% bonus to armor hitpoints per level. Seems the most resonable setup IMO. Could merely be 5% hitpoints per level too. I left out the curse because it seems to be the only ship that doesn't fit with typical Khanid "rocket fwoosh" of the others, as well as the Malediction because it's bonii are part of it being an interceptor. Though if there's another niche of battleships, I ponder what it is...
Min Seong Amarr Brotherhood of the Sword	Posted - 2008.02.06 00:01:00 - [37] I'm very pleased yet not surprised at the positiveness of this idea. There seems to s a general agreement that this would be a very good idea for CCP to look in to in their Amarr balancing ideas. As it was stated before most people have had a very favorable opinion of the Khanid ships already in the fleet and this would as I said before address many of the issues that people have said Amarr have. I heartily agree with the Torp bonus idea as this would be in line with the rest of the Khanid ships and would be a very Fun and useful addition to the options that Amarr players have such as damage types for PvE players. I'm looking forward to more constructive input forthcoming in this thread. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Danjira Ryuujin Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.06 02:03:00 - [38] The Amarr torp BS idea bothers me. Not that it would compete with the raven, which I don't see as an issue. I don't like the fact that it would further homogenize 2 races, that used to be so damned unique. Khanid already blurred the lines, but obliterating them doesn't seem like a step that should be taken in my opinion. Conversely, I do like the idea of a BS arbitrator, even though it would compete with the Dominix. Hows that for hypocrisy? Amarr - Annoying the Eve Community since 2005
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Leandro Salazar means there will not be a Khanid BS until we get tier4 battleships I am afraid. Probably not even then. Not realli. If we all talk enoguh and make enough post, I am shure CCP will consider and listen and maek some changes for us. Afterall, it is benfisial for everyone and no harm do. I have faith in CCP. Ever considered refining yourself? Youre flamebaiting is clever, but not that clever. Its rather obvius that all posts you make are flamebaiting..
Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2008.02.06 04:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Silas Vitalia Ignoring all the lore, Khanid ships can be thought of simply like any other T2 manufacturer, where "x" company ships have similar paint styles and bonuses. So instead of 'Lai Dai' for some Caldari vessels, 'Khanid Innovations' is what you see listed, etc. Quoted because people seem to forget that Khandid Innovations makes T2 ships not T1 As all current Khandid ships are tech 2, then obviously a khandid battleship would also have to be tech two. Especialy considering ccp is already drastically changing laser boats to be more effective, I think it is clear what avenue they have decided to take the Ammar in.So no, no torpedo armageddon, apoc or abbadon. ---
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:01:00 - [41] With the redesign of the Omen to include an additional turret they should also make the Maller into a missile boat. Then the lack of a drone bay won't be such a gimp factor for missions and would give it the tank from hell with the cap savings. Kinda like a mini drake. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:07:00 - [42] Jesus... took me 8 attempts at hitting reply... forum logged me out twice... obviously the incompetent who programmed the hideous bob killboard made this forum as well. Anyway... Missiles are for****s, amarr is not meant to be easy mode. Thats what Caldari is for. The lack of skill/difficulty associated with missiles is a bad for eve imo.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Leandro Salazar means there will not be a Khanid BS until we get tier4 battleships I am afraid. Probably not even then. Not realli. If we all talk enoguh and make enough post, I am shure CCP will consider and listen and maek some changes for us. Afterall, it is benfisial for everyone and no harm do. I have faith in CCP. This jenny is the worst jenny yet, and by god i've hated them all.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard	Posted - 2008.02.06 05:29:00 - [44] Aside from the points earlier, I think a more general one is that every other race has a variety of different roles for their battleships (other than gunboat), with an ability to use alternative weapon systems on at least -one- of their battleships. Check the bonuses/common fittings on the other three race's battleships and then go look at the Amarr lineup in comparrison. Wow, three laser gunboats. The new apoc changes are an excellent start, but a khanid, close range, torp-firing, armor tanking battleship to rival the hyperion is what we need here. or you know, cruise missles. I'm ok with either grin Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Public Comm "KhanidPublic"
Davien Kaahtt	Posted - 2008.02.06 07:50:00 - [45] a heavy tanking, torp spewing, battleship with room for nos and a flight of heavy drones would make me happy in the pants... srsly oh yeah, and while we are on the topic of black ships, where is my khanid omen? you know, a second heavy interdictor that aims at gank instead of tank
Min Seong Amarr Brotherhood of the Sword	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:08:00 - [46] I'm surprised that this topic started to fall behind so quickly. With so many people wanting something more with Amarr I would think this idea would be a smash. lets look at what Silas said about BS types: Caldari: Scorp: EW/Missles Raven: Missles Rhock: Guns Gallente: Domi: Drones Hype: Guns Mega: Guns Minnie: Tempest: guns Maelstrom: guns Phoon: Missles/Drones/a bit of guns Amarr: Apoc: guns Gheddon: guns Abadon: guns you can see that each race (except Amarr) basically has one BS in their fleet that they can change primary weapons/fighting style with besides fitting long or short range guns cruise/torp etc. I think its an excellent idea to give the same flexibility to the Amarr as the other 3 races have. Why shouldn't they? Dont give me "Amarr shoot Lazorz!"
Lian Shin	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:41:00 - [47] I fully support idea of khanid BS. I was thinking about khanid version of abaddon. I'd say it have 5 missile hardpoints, 3-4 turrets, current slot layout and 5% to torp rof and 5% armor resists per amarr BS level.
Xanos Blackpaw Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:59:00 - [48] Originally by: Lian Shin I fully support idea of khanid BS. I was thinking about khanid version of abaddon. I'd say it have 5 missile hardpoints, 3-4 turrets, current slot layout and 5% to torp rof and 5% armor resists per amarr BS level. actuly a more likely slot layout would be 6 highs with 5 missile slots 5 mids and 6 lows bounus: 5% armor resists and 10% to missile flight speed per amarr BS lvl i much rather do less damage and being able to actuly hit my targets at more than 15km... Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi".
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:31:00 - [49] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 06/02/2008 18:32:06 No, no, and Hell NO! Do any of you actually play Amarr? Seriously, the Geddon is the gank laser boat (needs way more PG still tho to be on par with other races fittings, but as is you can get this boat up to 1100 dps), the Abaddon is a great ship AS IS, the Apoc is becoming a VIABLE sniper. Keep your impure hands off our vessels! Get! Shoo!
Red Harvest	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:33:00 - [50] tbh i had hoped for the apoc getting changed into a khanid version: 6-7 missile slots for torp launcher same slot layout as befor +10% to torps velocity per amarr BS lvl +5% armor resists per amarr BS lvl Not that i dont like the apoc in the sniper flavour its getting now. PS: hands of the geddon its great as it is
Deverian Tarik Caldari Hunt and Salvage Inc. New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I will droll over Abaddon with missel bonus. Make it liek Sacrilge pleaze. Armagedon and Apocalpse can be lazor ships. I love to be Amarr. Jesus. New Jenny, Learn. To. Spell. That paragraph just about made me want to gouge out my eyes with blunt forks.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:16:00 - [52] Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw actuly a more likely slot layout would be 6 highs with 5 missile slots 5 mids and 6 lows bounus: 5% armor resists and 10% to missile flight speed per amarr BS lvl i much rather do less damage and being able to actuly hit my targets at more than 15km... I fly Amarr and my draem ship would be the Abbadon. A Khanid Abbaddon battelship would have the slot layout like 8/4/7 (low, middel, high) and 6 launcher slots and 1 spare slot. Its boni would be 5% sheild resist per level and 5% topedo damage per level. This ship would rock my shiny battelship 5 skill --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Heilios	Posted - 2008.02.06 20:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Christari Zuborov Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 06/02/2008 18:32:06 No, no, and Hell NO! Do any of you actually play Amarr? Seriously, the Geddon is the gank laser boat (needs way more PG still tho to be on par with other races fittings, but as is you can get this boat up to 1100 dps), the Abaddon is a great ship AS IS, the Apoc is becoming a VIABLE sniper. Keep your impure hands off our vessels! Get! Shoo! like that guys said - leave amarr alone, now STFU and GTFO kthxbye
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.02.06 20:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw actuly a more likely slot layout would be 6 highs with 5 missile slots 5 mids and 6 lows bounus: 5% armor resists and 10% to missile flight speed per amarr BS lvl i much rather do less damage and being able to actuly hit my targets at more than 15km... I fly Amarr and my draem ship would be the Abbadon. A Khanid Abbaddon battelship would have the slot layout like 8/4/7 (low, middel, high) and 6 launcher slots and 1 spare slot. Its boni would be 5% sheild resist per level and 5% topedo damage per level. This ship would rock my shiny battelship 5 skill No. NO. NO! The Abaddon is the only really great T1 ship that Amarr has (I don't do fleets so the new Apoc won't be worth that much for me) and absolutely must stay. I will personally lead the assault on Iceland if it does not. I could live without the Geddon, but I know plenty of people who could not. The only expendable Amarr BS was the Apoc, and regrettably they are keeping it as just another laser boat too. So no Khanid T1 boat anytime soon. Unless maybe as faction ship for the LP shop There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:10:00 - [55] amarr is missing a t1 frig, compensate with T2 BS!!!!!!!!!!
Min Seong Amarr Brotherhood of the Sword	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:12:00 - [56] I'd Agree I think that that Abbadon is the best Amarr BS IMHO and wouldn't be a good candidate for change. The Gheddon is also a very popular boat that would be perfect if it had just a bit more cap. The main contender in my eyes is the Apoc. I think that using it as a Black Torpedo boat with +torp velocity and +resist per level would be much much better than having it as a fleet sniper. Now would be the best time to implement any changes as they are currently looking to make them anyhow. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
SiJira	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:13:00 - [57] because it would be treason end thread Trashed sig, Shark was here
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:24:00 - [58] Would anyone be interested in a battleship-sized Curse? 7/4/8 4 Turret Hardpoints 4 Launcher Hardpoints Bonuses: 10% Bonus to Nosferatu/Neutralizer drain amount 20% Bonus to Nosferatu/Neutralizer range Too powerful? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:34:00 - [59] This discussion reminded me of an old thread in which Greyscale responded, but it seems a forgotten and abandoned idea...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.06 22:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Tarminic Would anyone be interested in a battleship-sized Curse? 7/4/8 4 Turret Hardpoints 4 Launcher Hardpoints Bonuses: 10% Bonus to Nosferatu/Neutralizer drain amount 20% Bonus to Nosferatu/Neutralizer range Too powerful? can it be nanoed fear the 50km nos/neut. fear it good

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