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Denu Vajet UED Imperial fists Shadows Of Supremacy	Posted - 2008.02.06 10:49:00 - [1] Well I finally made the decision to fly a SB. A Hound. I got a few questions about it. Well I dont know sht about the planes so im quite curious how to fly one and if there are any movies about it. I did find some but those weren't interesting. Also are the SB's powerful if fitted with only t1 cruise missiles or does it has to be t2? Also are they any good for PvP and what is there role in a fleet? And can it be flown solo in low sec? regards. "Ain't that just plain ******s boooy"
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 11:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Denu Vajet Also are they any good for PvP and what is there role in a fleet? And can it be flown solo in low sec? regards. No, they are 100% worthless in fleets (ceptor is way more useful). Bombers are only for solo fun. ________________________________________
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 11:38:00 - [3] pends wot setup you go with - the setup we use would require tacklers in fleet - i personally find that they are very useful boats however they are made of paper and die very easily. cant give u setup as im in work :-( but i know the mids include 2 named sensor damps and a named target painter / 3 cruise launchers and the top end cloaking device / evemail ingame if u want the full setup and ill send it to u ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Kismet X	Posted - 2008.02.06 11:43:00 - [4] Before fitting a Target Painter check the explosion radius on your fitted cruise missiles. You'll be surprised how small it can be even with missile skills at 2-3. ____________________________________________________________________ "[D]rones are the alternative to everything... you defer all your combat to your cat herding skills" -Fryx, 10/29/2005
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 11:55:00 - [5] Edited by: Xsag on 06/02/2008 11:57:45 trust me always fit a target painter on ur stealth bomber it proves to be very effective specially with caldari navy missiles. i have decent missile skills already: Cruise Missiles 4 FoF Missiles 1 Guided Missile Precision 4 Heavy Assault Missiles 2 Heavy Missile Specialization 1 Heavy Missiles 5 Missile Bombardment 4 Missile Launcher Operation 5 Missile Projection 4 Rapid Launch 4 Rockets 1 Standard Missiles 4 Target Navigation Prediction 4 Torpedoes 1 Warhead Upgrades 3 ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:18:00 - [6] Last I checked I had around 30-40 explosion radious on my fitted cruise missiles (T1/faction) My favorite targets are T1 cruisers and maybe destroyers... Frigates are popping easily due to the massive volley damage anyway So how does it pay to fit a Target Painter most of the times? Pinky - I'm a nice guy!! But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored...
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Kerdrak Originally by: Denu Vajet Also are they any good for PvP and what is there role in a fleet? And can it be flown solo in low sec? regards. No, they are 100% worthless in fleets (ceptor is way more useful). Bombers are only for solo fun. Even Cepters are almost worthless in fleet, Dictors the way to go Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Pinky Denmark Last I checked I had around 30-40 explosion radious on my fitted cruise missiles (T1/faction) My favorite targets are T1 cruisers and maybe destroyers... Frigates are popping easily due to the massive volley damage anyway So how does it pay to fit a Target Painter most of the times? Pinky fire a volley without a target painter - check your damage fire a volley with a target painter - check your smile =) promise! (tried and tested - i didnt think there was any point - and did exactly what ive just done there and the difference in dps is impressive to say the least) ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:30:00 - [9] Pimp My Purifier Ignore the thread topic and read the first post. Tells you the tactic I use. In gangs Sit further out with damps, ecm, target painters, or whatever support mods you want to use instead of scramblers. Bait (for gang) should include = scrambling ospreys, speedy bellicose, or plated augoror's. People can't seem to turn them down!!! --- Put in space whales!
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:31:00 - [10] SBs aren't worthless in fleet. Their anti-frig effectivity for example makes a nice anti-support role. Example: Park a group of bombers 50 km off your snipers, cloak them. Watch what enemies are trying to speed towards your snipers and pick them off one by one. Tackling frig nightmare. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 12:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Pimp My Purifier Ignore the thread topic and read the first post. Tells you the tactic I use. In gangs Sit further out with damps, ecm, target painters, or whatever support mods you want to use instead of scramblers. Bait (for gang) should include = scrambling ospreys, speedy bellicose, or plated augoror's. People can't seem to turn them down!!! QFT! ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Tseran VSP Corp. R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:55:00 - [12] In regards to target painters. I find that they are generally useless for an SB. Just HAVING the SB (frig 5) brings your cruise missile explosion radius down to 42m. The only thing going to get under this radius is an inty not firing his MWD. (Ares with inty 5 have a radius of 26m). So, against non-moving inties, a target painter helps. Against everything else, cruise missiles are going to be doing full damage.
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Tseran In regards to target painters. I find that they are generally useless for an SB. Just HAVING the SB (frig 5) brings your cruise missile explosion radius down to 42m. The only thing going to get under this radius is an inty not firing his MWD. (Ares with inty 5 have a radius of 26m). So, against non-moving inties, a target painter helps. Against everything else, cruise missiles are going to be doing full damage. all i can tell u, is from my own experience - from memory cruisers,bc's and bs's - sb did more damage with tp on than it did with it off. and i have fr 5 and cov ops 4 ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.06 14:18:00 - [14] this is why the ammar bomber is the best :)
Tseran VSP Corp. R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:12:00 - [15] A target painter will not affect the damage of a SB cruise missile against anything bigger than a inty, especially not a cruiser, BC, or BS. The TP just increases sig radius of the target. And since the sig radius of a cruiser is already WAY above the explosion radius of your cruise missile, there should be no added damage. This is both according to calculations and according to my own pew-pewing in a SB. Is it possible you changed something else with your fitting?
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Tseran A target painter will not affect the damage of a SB cruise missile against anything bigger than a inty, especially not a cruiser, BC, or BS. The TP just increases sig radius of the target. And since the sig radius of a cruiser is already WAY above the explosion radius of your cruise missile, there should be no added damage. This is both according to calculations and according to my own pew-pewing in a SB. Is it possible you changed something else with your fitting? mmmz maybe im losing it....i will check tonight ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Morn Judith Caldari The Singularity Project Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:41:00 - [17] Seriously, I would never fit a TP on my Manti. Waste of a slot. The SBs are the BEST for camping gate camps. You get 3 or 4 good bomber pilots, jump them in one at a time, cloak immediately then move out to about 25 km where no one is moving. Then you wait about 20 minutes, let them calm down and get comfortable again. Thats when you wait for the ones that are sitting still. You creep up on a T1 cruiser or below, when you're 10km away you align for you safe spot. Once you're at full speed, decloak, count to 2, activate your sensor boosters and do an insta-lock, fire your missiles, watch the targ explode then hit warp. Its easily one of the most exhilarating tactics to use. The key is to get plenty of good safe spots, off grid BMs, and BMs 200km on all sides of the gate in order to avoid hitting any warp bubbles. With some practice, you can tear up any camp. I don't like my sig.
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Morn Judith Seriously, I would never fit a TP on my Manti. Waste of a slot. The SBs are the BEST for camping gate camps. You get 3 or 4 good bomber pilots, jump them in one at a time, cloak immediately then move out to about 25 km where no one is moving. Then you wait about 20 minutes, let them calm down and get comfortable again. Thats when you wait for the ones that are sitting still. You creep up on a T1 cruiser or below, when you're 10km away you align for you safe spot. Once you're at full speed, decloak, count to 2, activate your sensor boosters and do an insta-lock, fire your missiles, watch the targ explode then hit warp. Its easily one of the most exhilarating tactics to use. The key is to get plenty of good safe spots, off grid BMs, and BMs 200km on all sides of the gate in order to avoid hitting any warp bubbles. With some practice, you can tear up any camp. im definitely going to do some testing tonight...wot do u put in ur slots? ill have to check mine and post when i get in....(as my sig says - im in work) ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:29:00 - [19] TP isn't worthless, everybody in-gang benefits from it, but on a ship with very flew mids you might be better with another sensor booster/damp. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Denu Vajet UED Imperial fists Shadows Of Supremacy	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:33:00 - [20] hmm right now I got my doubts about flying a SB. though I want to be the long distance shooter willing not to come in range of a target. Maybe a sniper is cool since I already got some good gunnery skills. "Ain't that just plain *****s boooy"
Tseran VSP Corp. R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:00:00 - [21] SB can shoot to pretty amazing ranges, especially with missile velocity or flight rigs. However, I would recommend NOT doing this. At max range, it takes around 26 seconds for those cruise missiles to reach a target. In that time, the target is going to warp or start speed tanking. Instead, try designing a SB that can uncloak at under 40km, fire, and recloak immediately. (40km is the max range cruises will hit if you cloak while they are in flight). You can uncloak, light up a passive targetter and sensor boosters, fire, cloak, and align to warp. The missiles hit home much quicker and you are in position to uncloak and fire a second salvo to finish a target off.
etheris eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:10:00 - [22] Edited by: etheris on 06/02/2008 17:10:23 eXceed loves our stealth bomber gangs. Instapopping hacs in a big shiny bubble of mizzles is fun times. eXceed house of prawn
Swamp Kitsune	Posted - 2008.02.06 17:30:00 - [23] Both long range support bombing, and inside of 40km Hail/burst dps ganking are both still incredibly effective uses of SB's. It should always be kept in mind though that a Raven does more damage over time, and other ships can hit first. A SB is generally worthless if it doesn't make good on its name of being the first one to fire and inflict that first wound.
Maverick 52	Posted - 2008.02.07 00:25:00 - [24] Ok, if you have the mid slot fit a TP. Shoot a pod and you'll know why.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2008.02.07 01:39:00 - [25] Not a solo ship, gang up with another race's, get someone to tackle, and watch stuff go boom. Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
HoIIy Smoke eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.07 13:14:00 - [26] hehe at comments about stealth bombers being worthless..... of course exceed would never get caught dead in a sb...uh uh...no sir...not us......
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Denu Vajet Well I finally made the decision to fly a SB. A Hound. I got a few questions about it. Well I dont know sh*t about the planes so im quite curious how to fly one and if there are any movies about it. I did find some but those weren't interesting. Also are the SB's powerful if fitted with only t1 cruise missiles or does it has to be t2? Also are they any good for PvP and what is there role in a fleet? And can it be flown solo in low sec? regards. The stealth bomber is generally not found in "fleets" per se - they have a relatively low range for firing cruise missiles. More importantly, they are protected from the harsh vacuum of space by wet newspaper and childlike dreams - the instant someone so much as looks at you nasty it's time to start running. They DO however have a place in smaller gangs, especially frig based gangs. A handful of stealth bombers and interceptors can wreak havoc on just about anything that flies, and even with the sensor dampner nerf you can still dampen a target enough to keep them fro shooting back. You can't really solo on the things though - they aren't terribly fast and their tank is non existant and they don't have the firepower to truly "gank" (unless you're worried about ganking noob ships and shuttles). Perhaps more than just about any other class of boats, stealth bombers require other people to work.
Xsag Caldari SPECTRE Ops	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:04:00 - [28] i just wanted to say that i did test sb's with tp's last night and found that they made no difference at all to cruiser . bc sized ships but they would give advantage to gangs / fleets ~n00b of all trades~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ ~Now with a face!~
Phil Miller Ocean Dynamics	Posted - 2008.02.07 16:46:00 - [29] TPs are redundant in a SB. If you're aching for an extra module, go with sensor booster or a web. ______________________________________

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