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Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:19:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Captain. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Skaz Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Sidephex so the other day i wanted to create a character and had a nice name in mind. ofc it was already taken. just out of curiosity i searched for the name. 3 1/2 years old (or something like that), never been in any corp.. it was then when i started wondering why old characters dont get deleted? i mean i know somewhere u r saying you keep the characters forever so everyone can come back and play his old characters. but tbh... how likely is it that those people return? wouldnt it make sense to delete characters/accounts that were inactive for 3+ years? i mean, its not like u cant change the terms of use. :P Do a character search on me, 4 1/2 years old and never been in a corp. But quite active. Employment history isn¦t a guarantee that people aren't active. - - PINK PINK PINK PINK
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:24:00 - [33] Quote: it was then when i started wondering why old characters dont get deleted? i mean i know somewhere u r saying you keep the characters forever so everyone can come back and play his old characters. but tbh... how likely is it that those people return? I've reactivated years old accounts before...
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:29:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Character history and reputation are important in EVE. It doesn't take much to hear that X player is a square dealer while Y player is a scammer extraordinaire. Changing names or allowing a name to be recycled dilutes those traits. Is this a service we will eventually offer? Extremely unlikely as it would run counter to one of the core foundations of EVE. I love that you guys keep saying this. About a year ago, the CEO of my corp kicked everyone out of the corp, claimed all the corp's assets as his own and then sold all his characters and bought new ones. One of his old characters is owned by an alliance-mate now. So much for 'reputation of the character'. Characters are just strings of bits in your database and really can't have a reputation of their own. It's the reputation of the player that matters. If you want real reputation, there needs to be some way to track the OWNERS of characters, not the characters themselves. There are lots of legitimate reasons to want to change the name of a character. My name begins with 'A'. There are whole classes of ships that are a complete waste of time for me to fly because I get primaried the instant I uncloak. FCs have the same problem and frequently have to buy/sell characters in order to maintain anonymity on the overview. It's pretty annoying really. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Lucia Warbler Eve University	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Alexander Knott If you want real reputation, there needs to be some way to track the OWNERS of characters, not the characters themselves. That would be a violation of privacy.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2008.02.07 20:49:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Character history and reputation are important in EVE. It doesn't take much to hear that X player is a square dealer while Y player is a scammer extraordinaire. Changing names or allowing a name to be recycled dilutes those traits. Is this a service we will eventually offer? Extremely unlikely as it would run counter to one of the core foundations of EVE. Kieron would there ever be basis for an exception? I created this character without checking the name because I was so sure I was spelling it right. I would love to be able to correct it to Jacques Costeau, and as far as I know that name is not taken in EvE (last time I checked anyways) -------------------
Siresa Talesi	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:28:00 - [37] Originally by: Letouk Mernel Originally by: Bish Ounen I have NEVER seen an MMO company do that, in all my years of gaming. Most companies delete the character almost immediately, once you stop your subscription. Some will protect it for short amounts of time (SOE protects for 90 days), but NONE will keep it forever, other than by chance, or due to administrative laziness, as CCP does. I call bull** on this one. EQ1, CoH, WoW, and EVE are 4 examples of MMO games where your characters/names are kept when your subscription is inactive. Keeping characters is standard practice in the MMO genre. Why don't you give examples of all of these MMO's you've supposedly played in all your years of gaming where they deleted your characters promptly after 6 months? I'm gong to have to call your call. I can't speak for the other games, but CoH/CoV does have a character name recycling policy. If an account is inactive (unsubscribed) for 3 months, then the names of any low-level (I forget what the cutoff is) characters are forfeit, and if someone makes a new character with that name, then if the old account is reactivated, the owner will have to choose a new name for his character before being able to log in with it. Perhaps EVE would benefit from a similar system. Originally by:** CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Character history and reputation are important in EVE. It doesn't take much to hear that X player is a square dealer while Y player is a scammer extraordinaire. Changing names or allowing a name to be recycled dilutes those traits. Is this a service we will eventually offer? Extremely unlikely as it would run counter to one of the core foundations of EVE. While I understand your point, and the importance of reputation in this game, I have to say that having a sanctioned character transfer service really knocks all support out from under this argument. At least with renaming a character, you could verify if it was the original person by examining their employment history and start date. In transferring the entire character, there is no such method of verification, you have given the entire identity over to someone else, which I would consider to be potentially several times more damaging than just recycling a name. If you want to argue against the reuse of old names, you will have to do better than that I'm afraid. Personally, I have returned to this game twice after extended absences, and I am very grateful that I was able to reactivate my old characters, it's nice to know that they are always there waiting for me. But deleting a character and reusing the name are two very different things. I understand being attached to your character names, one of mine I've used in a number of different games over the years (the ironic part being that it's a name I created after the versions I wanted were taken); but if there is no guarantee that you will return to the game, I don't believe that you should have exclusive rights to the name forever, that's just ridiculous. At the very least, it would make sense to clear the names for all trial accounts that were never upgraded to paid subscriptions. With EVE's free trial program, that has to account for a significant number of names, and ones which have not had the time to build any kind of reputation, so that should be a course of action that few can disagree with.
Lindsay Fox	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:06:00 - [38] I have to agree with Siresa. When you can look at the history of a character and not see that they have been traded three times, refusing to allow reuse of a name that was last active 3 years ago for a total of two weeks is absurd. In a similar vein, somebody can petition my name for being offensive in some obscure culture, and it gets changed instantly without even an opportunity for me to argue that it isn't offensive. If you plan to be a scammer, it's a good idea to name your character something offensive in a non-english language, then get a mate to petition it when you want to hide your history. The standard response to this stuff is 'well, if we allow one person to do it, we have to allow everyone...where do you draw the line in terms of age?'...but that's the kind of excuse made by autocrats and very lazy people. You can draw a line, just do it. "If you want a character name that is taken, but that user has not logged in for 2 years and has less than 5m SP, name your character something else temporarily and petition it within 14 days of creating your character, and CCP will take a look and make a decision" That's pretty simple, has reasonable conditions, is hardly going to cause an unmanageable burden on GMs, leaves CCP the ultimate right to not allow it if they have a reason. I really don't want to be rude, but saying that something is 'against the core principles of eve' when there are obvious exceptions to those core principles already for no good reason, just makes you look lazy and arrogant. If the core principles were so important, character trades would be explicitly shown in the employment history tab.
Lindsay Fox	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Jacque Custeau Kieron would there ever be basis for an exception? I created this character without checking the name because I was so sure I was spelling it right. I would love to be able to correct it to Jacques Costeau, and as far as I know that name is not taken in EvE (last time I checked anyways) Just in case they let you...it's actually 'Jacques Cousteau'
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:16:00 - [40] I would love to see CCP establish a policy of deleting accounts that are inactive for 2+ years. If you're not going to play for 2 years, let someone else have the name and give back all the corp shares you have rotting in your wallet. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Nuran Mukadder Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Lindsay Fox Just in case they let you...it's actually 'Jacques Cousteau' Not to mention the suddendly high probability of a griefer to create an alt named Jacques Cousteau just because of his post... In any case, i can't really agree with the OP here. There's literally an infinity of naming possibilities. We don't quite need Captain Legolassssss5.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:22:00 - [42] The one thing thats makes me think that there should never be inactive character/name deletion is the simple fact that some people are no longer with us and yet the memory of them are enshrined in these names for many of us. Take for instance Darkelf who sadly passed away. I never spoke to him irl or even on TS or Vent but I communicated with him in game and that is how I remember the person behind the character. If someone else was to get the name it would be disturbing for me to say the least. That's my take on it anyway ---
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:26:00 - [43] I fell sad now. I was hoping there would be a way the chance my name. Oh well. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:36:00 - [44] To Jenny Hurricane? As far as that e-mail service idea goes, there's only one way where I'd accept the concept - and that is if the e-mail is in the format of giving the old player something like Hello, an individual has attempted to create an EVE character using the name of your inactive character on account xxxxxx, which was deactivated somewhere around the birth of christ. If you wish to have pity on him, please follow this link and log into account maintenance where you will be able to select a new name. If not, no action is necessary. And while you are there, why not resubscribe? That way, you can make sure all your old enemies become aware that "you" are back. etc. Of course, it's not worth the bother because pretty much no-one is going to want someone else to have their character's name, it creates issues with the whole identity thing - reputation, accountability etc. Although it would have been amusing if a complete newbie "took" Istvaan's name out of coincidence while Istie was in hibernation.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:59:00 - [45] I don't know why the name matters so much anyway. I have played games where each user has a unique character id instead of a name. And multiple people can have the same name. Also I think people having the same name adds realism to the game. A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions
Steve Clone Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.02.07 23:06:00 - [46] Edited by: Steve Clone on 07/02/2008 23:07:40 Originally by: CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Character history and reputation are important in EVE. It doesn't take much to hear that X player is a square dealer while Y player is a scammer extraordinaire. Changing names or allowing a name to be recycled dilutes those traits. Is this a service we will eventually offer? Extremely unlikely as it would run counter to one of the core foundations of EVE. Are characters from trial accounts deleted? IMO, they should after 6 months... all of them no exception... and the account name and details too... But once an Account has been activated (at least once), they should remain indefinitely on the database...
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.02.07 23:13:00 - [47] Originally by: ghosttr I don't know why the name matters so much anyway. I have played games where each user has a unique character id instead of a name. And multiple people can have the same name. Also I think people having the same name adds realism to the game. It would add realism if it was actually names as opposed to number-letter and caps combinations. Had things been my name, there'd been a hardcoded enforced name system for the "realism" (firstname lastname , no numbers etc), but a "callsign" as well for those that prefer to go by callsigns. But that's not gonna happen.
Gangus Minmatar Matari BackBone	Posted - 2008.02.07 23:17:00 - [48] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Inertial What if I were to go to prison for six months and 1 minute? If going to prison I'd imagine your EVE account is the least of your concerns. actually, here i have to put in a mention of my RL circumstances. I was invited to take a vacation in Her Majesty's Hotel chain (lovely staff, 3 square meals a day and all the anal sex you can handle) and before i went to court on that fateful day to arrange just how long a holiday i was going to be having, i set a 6 week skill going, knowing that by then i'd be out or have arranged a corpie to do it for me. Luckily i ended up having my sentence drastically resuced, but still, my point is that when going to prison, one's EVE account is not the "least of your concerns" Gangus Matari BackBone Never mess with a guy in an ugly ship. He's bitter and has nothing to lose.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.07 23:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Originally by: ghosttr I don't know why the name matters so much anyway. I have played games where each user has a unique character id instead of a name. And multiple people can have the same name. Also I think people having the same name adds realism to the game. It would add realism if it was actually names as opposed to number-letter and caps combinations. Had things been my name, there'd been a hardcoded enforced name system for the "realism" (firstname lastname , no numbers etc), but a "callsign" as well for those that prefer to go by callsigns. But that's not gonna happen. I dont want people to be forced to have a realistic name, but these games always run out of names, and people are forced to take names that look like names of 0.0 systems I dont think ti would be that hard for everything to be dependent on the character id, rather than the name. And allow people to change their names, maybe with ambulation A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.07 23:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Lindsay Fox If the core principles were so important, character trades would be explicitly shown in the employment history tab. Good point. We all already have an explicit ID, our character's primary ID in the DB, new cross-ref table to name history that only gets pulled when the name history tab is opened shouldn't cause undo damage to principles. In fact may support other core principles, doing things other MMOs don't do, making the sandbox just a tiny bit bgger. Plus I may finnaly be able to get away from being at the top of local. :) The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Sky Marshal Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:49:00 - [51] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 08/02/2008 00:53:03 Originally by: Skaz Do a character search on me, 4 1/2 years old and never been in a corp. But quite active. Employment history isn¦t a guarantee that people aren't active. Indeed, but Skill Points are a guarantee. A player who activate an account, played his trial and never returned since, has probably less than 200K SP in his characters, and zero skills at level V. There are NO reasons than CCP can't delete all characters who are more than 2/3 years and nearly no SPs. _______ 16/20 Dragon : ½ Great Game + 14/20 Revelations : ½ Desyncs... + 11/20 Trinity : ½ BBSOD, Bugs, Desyncs, F*** Nerfs + 10/20 v1.1 : ½ [...] + EXP shield nerf + CCP, you are tiring.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:55:00 - [52] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 08/02/2008 00:53:03 Originally by: Skaz Do a character search on me, 4 1/2 years old and never been in a corp. But quite active. Employment history isn¦t a guarantee that people aren't active. Indeed, but Skill Points are a guarantee. A player who activate an account, played his trial and never returned since, has probably less than 200K SP in his characters, and zero skills at level V. There are NO reasons than CCP can't delete all characters who are more than 2/3 years and nearly no SPs. I dont think the awnser is to delete character anes, all in game data should use the characterid instead of the name. That way 2 different characterids can have the same name A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions
Ricardo Phallus	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:02:00 - [53] Edited by: Ricardo Phallus on 08/02/2008 01:03:18 Originally by: ghosttr I dont think the awnser is to delete character anes, all in game data should use the characterid instead of the name. That way 2 different characterids can have the same name Yea I've always wanted to name my alts "Chribba", "Tarminic", and "SirMolle". I can't think of any complications that could arise from that.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Ricardo Phallus Edited by: Ricardo Phallus on 08/02/2008 01:03:18 Originally by: ghosttr I dont think the awnser is to delete character anes, all in game data should use the characterid instead of the name. That way 2 different characterids can have the same name Yea I've always wanted to name my alts "Chribba", "Tarminic", and "SirMolle". I can't think of any complications that could arise from that. Multiple people in rl have the same name, why is it so different when multiple people have the same name, the pic will still look different, they will have different history, corps etc. YOu will be able to tell them apart just like you do people in rl. Or do you always give your friends nicknames that look like names of 0.0 systems A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions
Ricardo Phallus	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:09:00 - [55] Originally by: ghosttr Multiple people in rl have the same name, why is it so different when multiple people have the same name, the pic will still look different, they will have different history, corps etc. YOu will be able to tell them apart just like you do people in rl. Or do you always give your friends nicknames that look like names of 0.0 systems So not only do I have to load everyones portrait I actually have to look at their ugly ass and THEN try and remember what someones internet spaceships pilot looks like if i ever want to be sure I'm dealing with the same person again. Oh and you can change your portrait for $ so then that whole building a reputation thing thats a large part of eve goes out the window.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Captain. Best post of this thread, to be honest. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:20:00 - [57] Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Ricardo Phallus Edited by: Ricardo Phallus on 08/02/2008 01:03:18 Originally by: ghosttr I dont think the awnser is to delete character anes, all in game data should use the characterid instead of the name. That way 2 different characterids can have the same name Yea I've always wanted to name my alts "Chribba", "Tarminic", and "SirMolle". I can't think of any complications that could arise from that. Multiple people in rl have the same name, why is it so different when multiple people have the same name, the pic will still look different, they will have different history, corps etc. YOu will be able to tell them apart just like you do people in rl. Or do you always give your friends nicknames that look like names of 0.0 systems Except if you have "show portraits turned off." Of if they've posted before their forum portrait is rendered. Or if you have chat displayed as text without portraits. Or if their portrait isn't loaded. How are you going to distinguish two characters with the same name when starting a conversation? Performing a search? Transferring ISK? Forcing people to distinguish characters based on an often small or nonexistent image is not a smart idea. And BTW, the majority of variations on "Tarminic" have always been taken, including "Tarminic's alt" which I think was being used to scam people. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Duke Val'Doom The Watchers Society	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:22:00 - [58] CCP could always offer a service where you pay $10 bucks to make sure your name can never be used in case you decide to come back. _____________________________________________ I Survived Bootini and all they gave me was this stupid forum post
Sleepkevert Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.08 02:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: CCP kieron Character names are unique, although there are ways to get close with the l33tsp34k substitution or purposeful misspelling. Regardless, there is generally enough difference to tell Jack Sparrow from J4ck Sparr0w and thus establish a character history. Captain. And this just made my day _ Sign my sig!
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.08 02:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: ghosttr Originally by: Ricardo Phallus Edited by: Ricardo Phallus on 08/02/2008 01:03:18 Originally by: ghosttr I dont think the awnser is to delete character anes, all in game data should use the characterid instead of the name. That way 2 different characterids can have the same name Yea I've always wanted to name my alts "Chribba", "Tarminic", and "SirMolle". I can't think of any complications that could arise from that. Multiple people in rl have the same name, why is it so different when multiple people have the same name, the pic will still look different, they will have different history, corps etc. YOu will be able to tell them apart just like you do people in rl. Or do you always give your friends nicknames that look like names of 0.0 systems Except if you have "show portraits turned off." Of if they've posted before their forum portrait is rendered. Or if you have chat displayed as text without portraits. Or if their portrait isn't loaded. How are you going to distinguish two characters with the same name when starting a conversation? Performing a search? Transferring ISK? Forcing people to distinguish characters based on an often small or nonexistent image is not a smart idea. And BTW, the majority of variations on "Tarminic" have always been taken, including "Tarminic's alt" which I think was being used to scam people. Ifc the image wouldnt be the sole identifier, you could add them to addressbook, you would have standings, you could check thier employment history, etc. Having multiple people with the same name is no different than rl. I have played several games where you could do this, an not one time have i ever had a problem distinguishing between a friend, and an enemy with the same name A bigger eve Annndd..Player Factions

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