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Ingunn AmarY
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Posted - 2008.02.09 12:48:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Braaage
Are Jump Freighters selling?
I've sold two Nomads so far.
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.09 16:33:00 -
[32]
Originally by: FastLearner
EDIT: and re the "major" alliance thing. Our alliance is well over 2K members with outposts a jump bridge network etc. Yet we have a bunch of JFs already - and are getting more all the time. Most of us would rather pay a bit extra to have things painlessly JFed in than have to endure countless escort ops just to move stuff in and out.
Don't take this the wrong way but BRUCE was in Syndicate until fairly recently. Given a year in fountain and you'll probably have a Titan and a logistics department to handle such things. I expect right now that if BRUCE is building any supercaps its likely MOMs.
Dal Thrax
CEO Multiverse Corporation
Originally by: HEXXX
In all seriousness; I think I made a miscalculation originally. . . We either need to fix this or fix our advertising.
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YouGotRipped
Gallente
Ewigkeit
Galactic Research
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Posted - 2008.02.09 23:19:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Braaage
Maybe if this
all jump freighters are getting a 25% base cargo capacity increase.
was this
all jump freighters are getting a 45% base cargo capacity increase.
Then they would be worth it.
Someone will have to redo the calculations for m3/fuel after whatever changes are experimented on SiSi take effect.
The fuel/m3 gap between Rhea and Nomad should be far less now.
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Altimu
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Posted - 2008.02.10 15:29:00 -
[34]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/02/2008 00:08:02
Originally by: Braaage
Maybe if this
all jump freighters are getting a 25% base cargo capacity increase.
was this
all jump freighters are getting a 45% base cargo capacity increase.
Then they would be worth it.
Someone will have to redo the calculations for m3/fuel after whatever changes are experimented on SiSi take effect. Training for Nomad instead of Rhea might no longer be necessary.
I believe Braaage was trying to say what it would take to make the JF worth using YouGotRipped. I doubt CCP will increase the base capacity of the JF by 45%. 
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YouGotRipped
Gallente
Ewigkeit
Galactic Research
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:52:00 -
[35]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 11/02/2008 11:52:53
Originally by: Altimu
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 10/02/2008 00:08:02
Originally by: Braaage
Maybe if this
all jump freighters are getting a 25% base cargo capacity increase.
was this
all jump freighters are getting a 45% base cargo capacity increase.
Then they would be worth it.
Someone will have to redo the calculations for m3/fuel after whatever changes are experimented on SiSi take effect. Training for Nomad instead of Rhea might no longer be necessary.
I believe Braaage was trying to say what it would take to make the JF worth using YouGotRipped. I doubt CCP will increase the base capacity of the JF by 45%.
I believe you believed I believed his believes when in fact I was merely quoting factual data not the intent.
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Robacz
Essence Trade
Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.11 12:01:00 -
[36]
Originally by: "CCP Oneiromancer"
Yes, max skills will mean +50% cargo capacity compared to the current numbers. So you'd have:
Anshar: 351.562 m3
Ark: 344.531 m3
Nomad: 337.500 m3
Rhea: 367.968 m3
You also get -50% fuel consumption with max skills.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:23:00 -
[37]
Apparently we're not the only ones to have this argument. Someone even took my side in the argument  I knew there was a reason I liked SHC....
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Passin Through
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Posted - 2008.02.26 14:45:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
With supposed changes to BPCs in an upcoming patch, I imagine most people are holding out for cheaper ones.
Have these changes happened yet or does anyone have an idea as to when it will happen?
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.28 09:35:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Passin Through
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
With supposed changes to BPCs in an upcoming patch, I imagine most people are holding out for cheaper ones.
Have these changes happened yet or does anyone have an idea as to when it will happen?
Not yet, trinity 1.1. However it will not make all that much difference, a few hundred mil at best. They have already dropped more in the last month due to falling adv material prices than they would even if invention was free. (Invention is a very small part of their cost now, with cheaper datacores and BPCs)
Not sure when Trinity 1.1 will be.
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.28 16:09:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Admiral Nova
(Invention is a very small part of their cost now, with cheaper datacores and BPCs)
Not sure when Trinity 1.1 will be.
That's extremely misleading. Even if the datacores were free the Freighter BPC's are still pricey and you have a higher than 50% failure rate so you'll need more than 2 on averge to get 1 BPC.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:33:00 -
[41]
The main reason invention prices are dropping is due to a MASSIVE over supply of freighter BPC's on the market. Prices were at 400-500+ mil per a few months back, they are now down to pre-JF prices and headed downwards. Shortly copying a freighter BPO will be worse than copying a carrier bpo.
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.28 18:49:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Shadarle
The main reason invention prices are dropping is due to a MASSIVE over supply of freighter BPC's on the market. Prices were at 400-500+ mil per a few months back, they are now down to pre-JF prices and headed downwards. Shortly copying a freighter BPO will be worse than copying a carrier bpo.
Kirjava and I had been making plans to go into Jump Freighter production before they were introduced but we ended up delaying a few weeks and once we saw the absolutely ridiculous number of people buying freighter BPO's (just one of the IPO's that cropped up was going to buy 40B worth of them) we decided to keep our distance. Right now the BPC's are still quite profitable but given a few more months we'll be at the point where a freighter BPO takes more than 2 years to break even.
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Marcus Tedric
Gallente
Tedric Enterprises
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:58:00 -
[43]
I have dabbled in the Anshar Market since it came out and have most of the necessary figures to hand......
However, because I do I cannot for the life of me undertsand why there seems to be this perception that the BPC change planned will result in a significant drop in the cost of JFs.
The multiple run BPCs that will result will have terrible ME - each extra level of ME will add 260-280m of cost - let alone factoring in the effect that will result of actually increasing the Advanced Component prices that will happen due to greater demand.
Can anyone run their logic past me as to why they think there will be a drop? Except, of course, for the Market pressure that wll result from an initial over-supply some weeks after the change as silly people try to liquidate....
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Avalira
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:33:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Marcus Tedric
I have dabbled in the Anshar Market since it came out and have most of the necessary figures to hand......
However, because I do I cannot for the life of me undertsand why there seems to be this perception that the BPC change planned will result in a significant drop in the cost of JFs.
The multiple run BPCs that will result will have terrible ME - each extra level of ME will add 260-280m of cost - let alone factoring in the effect that will result of actually increasing the Advanced Component prices that will happen due to greater demand.
Can anyone run their logic past me as to why they think there will be a drop? Except, of course, for the Market pressure that wll result from an initial over-supply some weeks after the change as silly people try to liquidate....
I completely agree. The only thing the change will do is make it cheaper per run. Instead of buying a 1 run -1 ME for 1.5b it'll be 1.5b for 2+ runs of -2ME and less. I can only see the prices going up due to the same reasons you have stated now: advanced components will be in higher demand as even more people try to build them. The only thing that will make them cheaper is if there is a bigger supply of these components.
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Selling Rokh BPO ME 45
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YouGotRipped
Gallente
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.03.02 15:16:00 -
[45]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 02/03/2008 15:20:10
I dunno about the rest but hauling ore from my Hulk with a transport ship makes me dizzy so why not add the ability for the JF to pick up stuff in open space (not only while docked in a station and in the vicinity of a CT).
P.S. Yeah I know it costs a lot and it's meant to jump but I don't see a high sec mini Rorqual on the designing table any time soon.
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Javus Talrath
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Posted - 2008.03.02 17:07:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Marcus Tedric
Can anyone run their logic past me as to why they think there will be a drop?
The +1 run Decryptor will probably be worth using, best PE, only abit more in ME costs, better chance and 1 more run. It'd be worth it, just.
But at very most that's 500m cheaper. The dropping adv material costs have wiped that off every week or two since shortly after the post-trinity peak. So.
Adv material prices might rise due to greater production, but I think the market may be reaching saturation already anway, so there may possibly be some producers selling below cost just to shift stock.
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